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  • bhdevault

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    6:30 PM EST : San Francisco ( 1 ) at Kansas City ( -1 ) —- T: 53.5

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  • thedkexperience

    So much talk about KC’s offense vs SF’s defense but the game will be decided by SF’s offense vs KC’s defense.

    If SF allows Jimmy G to play like an actual QB then they can win. If they think they are beating the Chiefs without throwing it 25 or more times they are crazy.

    On a side note … there is no one way to beat Mahomes. Man to man or zone isn’t some cheat code. SF needs to get pressure with their front 4 and drop 7 into coverage. If it’s a 7 man zone or 5 m2m with 2 up top or something in between it doesn’t matter. What does matter is not committing a 5th player to rushing the passer. KC has too much speed to try that and you’re playing with fire with cover 1 or cover zero.

    Keys – SF wins if they get pressure with their front 4 and allows Jimmy G to play like a grown up.

    KC wins if SF has to commit more than 4 to rush the passer or if Jimmy G turns back into a pumpkin.

  • hobbes2d

    Niner fan here. I was deathly afraid of facing KC and still am.

    I expect Dee Ford to play a ton more snaps than he has basically all season when he’s been a 3rd down pass rush specialist. So that means they’ll move Armstead inside with Buckner but I also think they’ll line Ford and Bosa up in different sets and run lots of stunts to generate more pressure with just 4 guys with the occasional blitz.

    I think Hill will have a big game. With as much zone as they play he’s going to be able to find open spots on deep crossing routes. Between Tartt/Jimmie Ward/ and all 3 LBs the Niners are really good at covering TEs. There should be opportunities for Damien Williams to have multiple big plays as a receiver IMO. He scorched the Niners for a long TD on a blown coverage in the preseason.

    There is no stopping this offense IMO, it’s merely can you slow them down enough and limit their opportunities to put up as many points as possible. I do think Shanahan vs Spagnuolo is an advantage for the Niners. RG III’s debut as an NFL QB in Shanahan’s offense in Washington was against Spags when he was the DC in New Orleans. H2H, Shanahan has bested him multiple times over the years.

    I also think he’s been saving some choice plays for this Super Bowl appearance. The Jimmy G stuff over the last 2 weeks has been very overblown. Every point in this season when the Niners needed Jimmy to throw to win them a game he came through. And with how SF is running the ball right now it’s going to create lanes and opportunities for them to exploit KC in the passing game.

    I expect nothing less than a heart attack and a great tight high scoring game. Both of these coaches are known for making poor game management decisions at the end of a game so it might just come down to who chokes the least at the end.

  • odanny

    @monarch said...

    I like the 49ers here. There’s a decent chance they just dominate them on both sides with their raw athleticism. They just went through the NFC (superior conference) without Jimmy G attempting a downfield pass.

    The Chiefs figured something out by sticking Hill, Hardman and Kelce in the middle of the field which opened up the flat and sideline for Damien Williams, DeMarcus Robinson and Sammy Watkins. That was an in game adjustment by Reid and Mahomes. Now the 49ers (who have been allowed to be vanilla) have two weeks to adjust to that.

    Jimmy G had a great game in New Orleans, probably the high water mark for their season. That defense also got shredded in that game. “They went thru the NFC” = beating the Vikings and Packers at home? Both of those teams suck, and we two of the weakest teams in the entire playoffs, so much so that Jimmy G didn’t even have to pass. They haven’t proven anything so far.

    Chiefs win, it is their destiny to win again 50 years later.

  • feekdogg

    @odanny said...

    Jimmy G had a great game in New Orleans, probably the high water mark for their season. That defense also got shredded in that game. “They went thru the NFC” = beating the Vikings and Packers at home? Both of those teams suck, and we two of the weakest teams in the entire playoffs, so much so that Jimmy G didn’t even have to pass. They haven’t proven anything so far.

    Chiefs win, it is their destiny to win again 50 years later.

    The Niners get no credit for beating the Vikings and Packers, but the Chiefs get credit for Bill O’Brien peeing all over himself and the Titans taking out the Chiefs two biggest threats for them before running out of gas?

  • odanny

    @feekdogg said...

    The Niners get no credit for beating the Vikings and Packers, but the Chiefs get credit for Bill O’Brien peeing all over himself and the Titans taking out the Chiefs two biggest threats for them before running out of gas?

    Correct.

  • JH822547

    I don’t think it’s the Chiefs are getting more credit that the 49ers, it’s just that the Chiefs have got the leagues outstanding player in Mahomes.

    49ers are doing it on the ground which is not exactly producing much of a highlight reel.

  • monarch

    And their front four is dirty. Super Bowl caliber

  • keephustlincuz

    @feekdogg said...

    The Niners get no credit for beating the Vikings and Packers, but the Chiefs get credit for Bill O’Brien peeing all over himself and the Titans taking out the Chiefs two biggest threats for them before running out of gas?

    I think the niners are getting credit.

    Line is kc -1.

    If niners got no credit KC would be -3.5.

  • bcandrws

    @feekdogg said...

    The Niners get no credit for beating the Vikings and Packers, but the Chiefs get credit for Bill O’Brien peeing all over himself and the Titans taking out the Chiefs two biggest threats for them before running out of gas?

    2 things. that same vikings team lost to a chiefs team that mahomes did not play in the game. the week before the packers barely beat the chiefs that mahomes also did not play in that game and frank clark, chris jones, their starting CB fuller 2 of their starting offensive lineman were out that game and greenbay still barely got by them. so neither the vikings or packers were a measuring gauge

  • bcandrws

    @keephustlincuz said...

    I think the niners are getting credit.

    Line is kc -1.

    If niners got no credit KC would be -3.5.

    might of fact line is KC -1 and they are considered the home team in this game. so 49ers are getting credit

  • superstars92

    Hmm I’ve got Shakira’s Whenever, Whereever song stuck from my head from that Pepsi commercial lol. She’s definitely performing that.

  • superstars92

    @monarch said...

    You can dominate a team without blowing them out. They did that several times this season. Beat the Rams 20-9, completely shutting them down. Plus I’m pretty sure you have watched the Super Bowl before. Dynamic teams have been waxed quite often….prime example was underdog TB 48-21 over the Raiders.

    Patrick Mahomes > Rich Gannon
    Tyreek Hill > almost 40 year old Jerry Rice (sorry he’s the greatest, but he was 40)
    Travis Kelce > past his prime Tim Brown

    Semeon Rice > Nick Bosa
    Warren Sapp > DeForest Buckner
    Derrick Brooks > any 49ers LB
    John Lynch > any 49ers saftey
    Prime Ronde Barber > Richard Sherman at his current age

  • DickyBigtop

    @dictator_teddy said...

    What about Tyreek Hill?

    Whoa whoa whoa WHOA. Chiefs may be woke but they aint crazy. They filled their quota of cutting superstars. 1 per decade.

  • BIF

    @monarch said...

    You can dominate a team without blowing them out. They did that several times this season. Beat the Rams 20-9, completely shutting them down. Plus I’m pretty sure you have watched the Super Bowl before. Dynamic teams have been waxed quite often….prime example was underdog TB 48-21 over the Raiders.

    Defensive teams with game manager QBs in Super Bowls have consistently won Super Bowls when facing better offenses

    To name a few:
    Bucs (Brad Johnson) over Raiders as you mentioned
    Broncos w/Manning over Panthers
    Giants/Eli over Pats twice
    Ravens with Dilfer
    Ravens with Flacco
    The 2018-19 version of Brady and Pats D over Rams
    ….if SF can get consistent pressure on Mahomes then the Niners are next on that list

  • BIF

    @bcandrws said...

    might of fact line is KC -1 and they are considered the home team in this game. so 49ers are getting credit

    Huh ??

    Nobody is the home team with respect to the betting line – the Chiefs are not getting the typical 3 point home field advantage from Vegas

  • superstars92

    @BIF said...

    Bucs (Brad Johnson) over Raiders as you mentioned
    Broncos w/Manning over Panthers
    Giants/Eli over Pats twice
    Ravens with Dilfer
    Ravens with Flacco
    The 2018-19 version of Brady and Pats D over Rams
    ….if SF can get consistent pressure on Mahomes then the Niners are next on that list

    Aside from Brady – Moss, none of those offenses compare to what KC has though.

  • BIF

    @superstars92 said...

    Aside from Brady – Moss, none of those offenses compare to what KC has though.

    It’s not about 1-2 players; it’s about the system and what works in the biggest spectacle of sports and the biggest pressure cooker anyone has ever played in. The Super Bowl is all about preparation and that’s why so many big underdogs have won the game and so many marquee “regular season superstar” players have sucked on that special Sunday in February.

    The Niners will be bringing in SB winning players/coaches in to set the mood and get the players to prepare properly over next two weeks and understand the demands they will have on them including Media Day. I just think the preparation will be superior from the Niners and their coaching staff is better in my opinion. The Chiefs will do some of that but Reid was terrible at getting his Eagles players over that last hurdle and any past SB winners who played for the Chiefs are probably dead as that was about 50 years ago.

    Also the Chiefs two playoff wins came over teams they had already lost to on the regular season and also fell behind multiple scores early in the playoff games (then made great adjustments to come back and win both); so I’m still questioning their preparation and now they face a team they haven’t played against so will they be able to make the same quick adjustments against ?

    I think it will be a great game but defense wins championships so leaning to the Niners.

  • superstars92

    @BIF said...

    The Niners will be bringing in SB winning players/coaches in to set the mood and get the players to prepare properly over next two weeks and understand the demands they will have on them including Media Day.

    Is John Lynch involved in like the day to day preparation? I can’t think of another GM in the NFL with his NFL background (future HOFer, SB champion, on that Bucs team that you guy mentioned too).

    Obviously like you said, Jerry Rice, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Roger Craig, Richard Sherman, tons of other players too. But I’m not sure how that will directly translate though since people these days are so much different with like Instagram/technology than 20 years ago.

  • superstars92

    49ers should also bring in Ricky Watters (who I think belongs in the HOF but probably will never make it), and he should give his “for who for what” speech lol, except spin it in a positive light on how he scored 3 TDs in the Super Bowl.

  • bcandrws

    @superstars92 said...

    Is John Lynch involved in like the day to day preparation? I can’t think of another GM in the NFL with his NFL background (future HOFer, SB champion, on that Bucs team that you guy mentioned too).

    Obviously like you said, Jerry Rice, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Roger Craig, Richard Sherman, tons of other players too. But I’m not sure how that will directly translate though since people these days are so much different with like Instagram/technology than 20 years ago.

    Joe Montana is not choosing sides though seeing as though he also played for the chiefs and he has already said he is not picking teams when he posted both of his jerseys from them.

  • BIF

    @superstars92 said...

    Is John Lynch involved in like the day to day preparation? I can’t think of another GM in the NFL with his NFL background (future HOFer, SB champion, on that Bucs team that you guy mentioned too).

    Obviously like you said, Jerry Rice, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Roger Craig, Richard Sherman, tons of other players too. But I’m not sure how that will directly translate though since people these days are so much different with like Instagram/technology than 20 years ago.

    I’m not 100% sure on Lynch’s involvement but he was on the sideline as the clock hit zeroes this past Sunday so he was definitely a part of the celebration and I think he would closer to the players than other teams.

    From what I’ve seen (read over the years) about the Niners is that they had a great culture (On the Walsh, Montana, Rice era) and have worked hard at bringing that back with Shanahan – Rice was on the field Sunday pre-game catching a pass and firing up the crowd – it may be all noise and narratives but I like the intangibles for the Niners not to mention that many people have criticized Reid over the years for his epic playoff failures and the question is can Mahomes be the guy that gets him his ring ? Or does Reid prevent Mahomes from getting his ?

  • superstars92

    @bcandrws said...

    Joe Montana is not choosing sides though seeing as though he also played for the chiefs and he has already said he is not picking teams when he posted both of his jerseys from them.

    Oh yea I’m dumb. I knew he played for the Chiefs but for some reason my mind just automatically went to him so I listed his name out. That makes sense though. He nearly got the Chiefs to the Super Bowl too.

  • bcandrws

    @BIF said...

    I’m not 100% sure on Lynch’s involvement but he was on the sideline as the clock hit zeroes this past Sunday so he was definitely a part of the celebration and I think he would closer to the players than other teams.

    From what I’ve seen (read over the years) about the Niners is that they had a great culture (On the Walsh, Montana, Rice era) and have worked hard at bringing that back with Shanahan – Rice was on the field Sunday pre-game catching a pass and firing up the crowd – it may be all noise and narratives but I like the intangibles for the Niners not to mention that many people have criticized Reid over the years for his epic playoff failures and the question is can Mahomes be the guy that gets him his ring ? Or does Reid prevent Mahomes from getting his ?

    Idk..it sort of feels like the chiefs destiny this year. No one saw the dolphins beating the Patriots week 17 and KC getting the bye. I could be wrong but it just feels like it.

  • BIF

    @bcandrws said...

    Joe Montana is not choosing sides though seeing as though he also played for the chiefs and he has already said he is not picking teams when he posted both of his jerseys from them.

    C’mon, you know that is just to not get social media slammed and that Montana is a Niner for life (despite ending his career with 2 yrs in KC); he went into the HOF as a Niner on same day as teammate Ronnie Lott and even had Eddie DeBartolo Jr walk him in and do the intro before Montana’s speech.

  • bcandrws

    Yea but I think he does not like all of that media attention. Think about he rarely does alot of media stuff. I think that’s just the way he is. I know he deep down inside is a niner for life but hey they still let him go. I think deep down inside he is happy the chiefs made it. His post said I guarantee 1 of my teams is winning lol.

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