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  • kujo33

    Is there anything out there like the Draft Best Ball tournament this year?

  • CleverGroom

    @BIF said...

    the odds of advancing are still 1/12

    They aren’t if there’s overlay. From the DK Best Ball rules:

    If there are not enough advancing entries to fill future round contests, there will be wild card entries that advance. Wild card entries are the entries that scored the highest fantasy points among the non-automatically advancing entries.

    To simplify the maths, suppose it’s a pool of 1,440 teams split into 120 leagues of 12 teams. If the contest fills to 1,440 teams, the 1st-place finisher from each of the 120 leagues advances to a second round of 120 teams.

    Suppose instead that the contest doesn’t fill, and there’s only 1,200 teams split into 100 leagues of 12 teams at lock. The 100 1st-place finishers advance. Then the top 20 scores from the remaining teams advance as well. At that point, you’ve realized any +EV you might’ve gained from overlay: your odds of coming out of that second round of 120 teams will never be better than 1/12. Note, however, that every team receives a prize in the second round, even for finishing last.

    You never get a cash prize for the first round if you advance, so your EV for a 2nd- or 3rd-place finish in the first round should also increase.

    It’s not meaningfully different from any other sort of overlay. You won’t beat the rake by mere dint of overlay existing, but it increases your EV when you enter. Best ball by its very nature is highly volatile and more akin to GPPs than cash games in its payout structure.

  • leib0039

    I was trying to look at it like this as well. For the $3 for example. 18,000 entries will advance to “round 2”. Lets say for ease of numbers 144,000 people get in. That is 12,000 “winners” who advance. That leaves 6,000 more entries which is 0.5 per group. So you odds of advancing if full are 1/12 (8.3%), with “overlay” they are closer to 1.5/12 (12.5%). The big difference here is in normal overlay you are almost chasing the min cash number, hey to min cash i have to beat 10k people not 15k people, that is more of a grind scenario, just grind out those min cashes. Here it is better odds at binking the big one. Im bored at work, its $3 i have time so i will toss in a few more than normal but i understand people not “chasing the overlay” in this scenario.

  • Njsum1

    @JH822547 said...

    I don’t really get it, you spend the first 12 weeks trying to beat 11 other people and then spend 3 weeks trying to beat a pool of thousands with a team which may well have been compromised. Just seems silly. Thanks for the free ticket though.

    Just play the sit and go’s. Top 3/12 get paid. Good way to play season long without the headache of keeping up with your waiver picks every week, deciding who to start and sit, and your leaguemates ruining the league by making stupid trades.

    Also injuries, while will affect you, I think they’re less impactful in Bestball, than in season long as you have more roster spots, and someone just can’t go and grab your rb’s backup, and win the league. Someone either has him or they don’t. 🤷‍♂️

  • yisman

    @Rickytango13 said...

    Looks like the $3 will get to 2/3 full at most (unless they fill it with free tix) which means that there will be almost 6,000 extra round 2 spots to be filled via highest 2nd place scoring. You’re right though it’s not as enticing as traditional overlay.

    it’s not that enticing because it takes a lot of time and effort for me, even for a fast draft

    and I’ve done 10-12 drafts already but I don’t have any stacked teams. No people making absurd picks (like Brady/Brees/Watson in round 1, or whatever). Every draft I’ve done it’s CMac first, then Zeke/Saquon the next 2.

    Some drafts have just been full of people making insane picks and I’m sure the eventual winner will come from one of those.

    Even if I manage to advance out of a league, I’m not going to cash for a big prize because I don’t have that stacked team. Every team is flawed. Weak at one position.

    overlay update:

    $20 filled yesterday at 5:30 PM EDT (a lot of people didn’t use their tickets)
    $3 56.7%
    $333 64.1%
    $1000 (which is 14 entry max!) 51.5%

  • yisman

    @CleverGroom said...

    You won’t beat the rake by mere dint of overlay existing, but it increases your EV when you enter.

    Not to nitpick, but you’re already beating the rake as it doesn’t exist.

    But yeah, you won’t cash/turn a profit just by entering unless you find one of these in DFS: https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/91367159

    DK is taking a loss on all four of the buy-in levels. The $20 “filled” but a lot of the entries were from tickets handed out (turns out they could’ve given out significantly fewer and still filled it, btw). All four levels were trending to being 60% full as of my last update before they gave out tickets on Tuesday.

  • CleverGroom

    @Njsum1 said...

    Just play the sit and go’s. Top 3/12 get paid.

    Literally exactly the same payout structure as the tournaments, except that tournaments can overlay and sit-n-go can’t.

  • Njsum1

    @CleverGroom said...

    Literally exactly the same payout structure as the tournaments, except that tournaments can overlay and sit-n-go can’t.

    No it’s not..you get a higher multiple for finishing 2nd or 3rd in the sit in go. The pre tournament you really want to finish 1st or nothing.

    Also, what’s the ticket worth to round 2 in the $3.

    While the tourney may overlay the rake is only 10% in the sit n go. Not sure what it is in the Pre-tournament.

  • JaBr

    Tuesday all day I was attempting to join the $20 Best Ball Tourney on the DK App.
    All day the app kept ‘freezing’ where the lobby wouldn’t load and asked me to refresh. Then, after a couple of refreshes, the lobby would load. Great, time to enter a game! Nope!
    Click on the game/tournament to enter and freezing again. Refresh again and it says ‘whoops, contest is full, reload the lobby’. And, so we go again and again, around and around. I gave up because it was absolutely enfuriating.

    I have been trying to email DK since yesterday. DK emailed me this morning and I have not heard any follow-up.

    Their response?
    Thank you for reaching out, we would be happy to clarify what happened to your $20 Best Ball ticket.

    The $20 Best Ball Millionaire contest has filled and as a result your ticket has been expired. The promotion in which you were granted this ticket was first come first serve and subject to availability. We appreciate your understanding and if you have any questions please let us know.

    … which is not true. My account still shows 2x $20 Best Ball $3M Tourney tickets which expire TOMORROW. So… what gives here?
    I also do not recall seeing on any of the actual tournament options that there was a size limit overall for # of entries, but saw the posts in this thread commenting on the size of the contest.

    Honestly, I’m not sure what I expect here, but DK’s complete lack of communication has been pretty frustrating. What’s the deal here? Why aren’t any responses being sent out?

  • yisman

    DK is expiring the tickets for DK dollars, according to users on Twitter

    honestly, you’re making out better than me.

    I used mine (I had one from a promo, one from a satellite, and one they gave to me on Tuesday) because I thought I had to use it.

    I had no idea what I was doing and it’s 16% rake now or whatever.

  • titanhawks

    @JaBr said...

    Tuesday all day I was attempting to join the $20 Best Ball Tourney on the DK App.
    All day the app kept ‘freezing’ where the lobby wouldn’t load and asked me to refresh. Then, after a couple of refreshes, the lobby would load. Great, time to enter a game! Nope!
    Click on the game/tournament to enter and freezing again. Refresh again and it says ‘whoops, contest is full, reload the lobby’. And, so we go again and again, around and around. I gave up because it was absolutely enfuriating.

    I have been trying to email DK since yesterday. DK emailed me this morning and I have not heard any follow-up.

    Their response?
    Thank you for reaching out, we would be happy to clarify what happened to your $20 Best Ball ticket.

    The $20 Best Ball Millionaire contest has filled and as a result your ticket has been expired. The promotion in which you were granted this ticket was first come first serve and subject to availability. We appreciate your understanding and if you have any questions please let us know.

    … which is not true. My account still shows 2x $20 Best Ball $3M Tourney tickets which expire TOMORROW. So… what gives here?
    I also do not recall seeing on any of the actual tournament options that there was a size limit overall for # of entries, but saw the posts in this thread commenting on the size of the contest.

    Honestly, I’m not sure what I expect here, but DK’s complete lack of communication has been pretty frustrating. What’s the deal here? Why aren’t any responses being sent out?

    I spent three hours yesterday trying to get in bestball but gave up and letting my ticket expire unused

    What they need to do rather than pop up new contests every 30 seconds is add them by start times

    Like say start contests at 4 pm, 4:10pm 4:20 pm and stretch them out over the next couple hours so we can join in say a half hour or so to pre-rank or check late news etc. as needed

    I tryed to get in 2/12 which was the lest Icsaw all day and never got into any as they all filled so fast

  • Rickytango13

    @titanhawks said...

    I spent three hours yesterday trying to get in bestball but gave up and letting my ticket expire unused

    What they need to do rather than pop up new contests every 30 seconds is add them by start times

    Like say start contests at 4 pm, 4:10pm 4:20 pm and stretch them out over the next couple hours so we can join in say a half hour or so to pre-rank or check late news etc. as needed

    I tryed to get in 2/12 which was the lest Icsaw all day and never got into any as they all filled so fast

    Yeah that was crazy. I was refreshing for a solid 10 minutes before I got in

  • squidkill

    @JaBr said...

    Tuesday all day I was attempting to join the $20 Best Ball Tourney on the DK App.
    All day the app kept ‘freezing’ where the lobby wouldn’t load and asked me to refresh. Then, after a couple of refreshes, the lobby would load. Great, time to enter a game! Nope!
    Click on the game/tournament to enter and freezing again. Refresh again and it says ‘whoops, contest is full, reload the lobby’. And, so we go again and again, around and around. I gave up because it was absolutely enfuriating.

    I have been trying to email DK since yesterday. DK emailed me this morning and I have not heard any follow-up.

    Their response?
    Thank you for reaching out, we would be happy to clarify what happened to your $20 Best Ball ticket.

    The $20 Best Ball Millionaire contest has filled and as a result your ticket has been expired. The promotion in which you were granted this ticket was first come first serve and subject to availability. We appreciate your understanding and if you have any questions please let us know.

    … which is not true. My account still shows 2x $20 Best Ball $3M Tourney tickets which expire TOMORROW. So… what gives here?
    I also do not recall seeing on any of the actual tournament options that there was a size limit overall for # of entries, but saw the posts in this thread commenting on the size of the contest.

    Honestly, I’m not sure what I expect here, but DK’s complete lack of communication has been pretty frustrating. What’s the deal here? Why aren’t any responses being sent out?

    Site gives out free money. Miserable people complain the money is too green. 😕

  • JaBr

    @squidkill said...

    Site gives out free money. Miserable people complain the money is too green. 😕

    Considering the app didn’t work well enough for me to even join a game, I think the complaint is warranted.
    Also, it’s not even necessarily free money…
    1 of my $20 Entries I ‘earned’ by playing in their Weekly Streak promo or whatever it was where you had to have an MLB and NBA LU for X amount of days in a row. So, while I didn’t pay the $20 on the spot to enter the contest, it wasn’t just a free hand-out.

  • JaBr

    @titanhawks said...

    I spent three hours yesterday trying to get in bestball but gave up and letting my ticket expire unused

    What they need to do rather than pop up new contests every 30 seconds is add them by start times

    Like say start contests at 4 pm, 4:10pm 4:20 pm and stretch them out over the next couple hours so we can join in say a half hour or so to pre-rank or check late news etc. as needed

    I tryed to get in 2/12 which was the lest Icsaw all day and never got into any as they all filled so fast

    Good suggestion!
    Same here, I tried for a few hours at different times of the day and then just gave up because it was so frustrating.

  • yisman

    $3 60.4%
    $333 73%
    $1000 65%

    I’m done. I have seven $20 entries (I had 5 or 6 tickets) and four $3 entries. I was actually going to waste money on a high dollar one but DK got me to join their pick’em sportsbook pool instead and that’s tying up 1500.

  • JaBr

    Oh, also, this means no promo from 9/8 which was to enter the $20 Best Ball $3M and earn a $20 ticket if tonight’s total goes over 45.5. I wanted that extra free $20 ticket yet couldn’t even join on Tuesday due to the app not working correctly.

  • phishyd

    Yeah I was trying to use it on Tuesday for the promo and i couldnt get in one. Now today they are gone. Not cool

  • jmcdougall17

    Appears Best Ball is all done? I don’t see it in the lobby anymore :(

  • CleverGroom

    @jmcdougall17 said...

    Appears Best Ball is all done? I don’t see it in the lobby anymore :(

    It’s no longer a mathematical certainty that a draft will finish before kickoff.

  • yisman

    @jmcdougall17 said...

    Appears Best Ball is all done? I don’t see it in the lobby anymore :(

    yeah I think it closed around 7 PM although I didn’t see a time listed for it ending

    they wanted to wrap the drafts up before the season

    $3: 60.5%
    $333: 74%
    $1000: 65%

    the last two drafts I did were my best ones. I finally got the hang of it.

  • Dfspacman

    Snake drafts still on fanduel, weekly draft

  • callmetouch

    Soooo how do I switch my starting roster and put in guys in my bench? I don’t see any way of doing that (dk)

  • CleverGroom

    @callmetouch said...

    Soooo how do I switch my starting roster and put in guys in my bench? I don’t see any way of doing that (dk)

    This is your life now. The whole idea with Best Ball is it’ll automatically post your top scores at each position each week. No more tinkering from here on out.

  • Njsum1

    @callmetouch said...

    Soooo how do I switch my starting roster and put in guys in my bench? I don’t see any way of doing that (dk)


    Assume this was a joke

  • callmetouch

    @CleverGroom said...

    This is your life now. The whole idea with Best Ball is it’ll automatically post your top scores at each position each week. No more tinkering from here on out.

    So what’s the point of reserves and backups? They get points as well? And no ^ it wasn’t a joke haha

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