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  • CleverGroom

    07:00 PM EST : Carolina ( 2.5 ) at Buffalo ( -2.5 ) — T: 34
    07:00 PM EST : Chicago ( 2.5 ) at Cincinnati ( -2.5 ) — T: 36
    07:00 PM EST : Tampa Bay ( 1.5 ) at Miami ( -1.5 ) — T: 34.5
    07:00 PM EST : Cleveland ( 2.5 ) at NY Giants ( -2.5 ) — T: 34.5
    07:00 PM EST : Pittsburgh ( 3 ) at Philadelphia ( -3 ) — T: 35
    07:00 PM EST : New Orleans ( 3 ) at Jacksonville ( -3 ) — T: 34.5
    07:30 PM EST : LA Rams ( 2 ) at Baltimore ( -2 ) — T: 36
    07:30 PM EST : Washington ( 4.5 ) at New England ( -4.5 ) — T: 37
    08:00 PM EST : Tennessee ( PK ) at Green Bay ( PK ) — T: 35
    08:30 PM EST : Houston ( 2.5 ) at Kansas City ( -2.5 ) — T: 35
    10:00 PM EST : Dallas ( 3.5 ) at San Francisco ( -3.5 ) — T: 35
    10:00 PM EST : Indianapolis ( 3 ) at Seattle ( -3 ) — T: 34.5

  • KindGuy

    Omg it’s really happening. Football is really back!

  • CleverGroom

    Question #1: Who are the best QBs on this slate who should play 1.5+ quarters?

    My list goes something like Baker Mayfield, Jacoby Brissett, Brian Hoyer, C.J. Beathard, David Fales, and possibly a flier on Alex McGough.

    Do we agree those guys are good for about 1.5-2 quarters apiece? Anybody we think can do better and still get as much playing time or more?

    Question #2: Which team has the worst QBs on this slate, in aggregate?

    This is important for two reasons: 1) we want to play DSTs against bad QB rooms, and 2) we probably want to avoid the skill players attached to them.

    I don’t have a great feel for this one, but my first impulse is CAR. This is interesting. The implied task would be to play BUF DST and I kind of think that’s genius. Nobody likes the Bills.

    Derek Anderson was finally let go, leaving CAR with Kyle Allen, Taylor Heinicke, and Garrett Gilbert competing for QB2.

    Allen is a rookie UDFA and the only one who’s not spent time bouncing around as a camp arm or practice squad member. He got kicked out of pass rushing drills earlier this week and replaced with an equipment manager because his cadence was so bad (he redeemed himself later).

    Heinicke is also a UDFA and the most proven backup, but seems to be running behind Gilbert nevertheless. He spent time with the Vikings and has 5 TDs, 3 INTs, and 8 sacks through 5 preseason games.

    Gilbert is a 6th-round pick by the Jeff Fisher-era Rams and seems to have the lead for the backup job (he was on the roster late 2017). 0 TDs, 1 INT, and 8 sacks through 9 preseason games.

    Aside from their QB room, CAR is having OL issues. They literally had a new OT walk (well, okay, ride the cart) into practice yesterday.

    Anybody see a game/team on this slate that should produce less successful offense?

  • AVivier

    @CleverGroom said...

    07:00 PM EST : Carolina ( 2.5 ) at Buffalo ( -2.5 ) — T: 34
    07:00 PM EST : Chicago ( 2.5 ) at Cincinnati ( -2.5 ) — T: 36
    07:00 PM EST : Tampa Bay ( 1.5 ) at Miami ( -1.5 ) — T: 34.5
    07:00 PM EST : Cleveland ( 2.5 ) at NY Giants ( -2.5 ) — T: 34.5
    07:00 PM EST : Pittsburgh ( 3 ) at Philadelphia ( -3 ) — T: 35
    07:00 PM EST : New Orleans ( 3 ) at Jacksonville ( -3 ) — T: 34.5
    07:30 PM EST : LA Rams ( 2 ) at Baltimore ( -2 ) — T: 36
    07:30 PM EST : Washington ( 4.5 ) at Miami ( -4.5 ) — T: 37
    08:00 PM EST : Tennessee ( PK ) at Green Bay ( PK ) — T: 35
    08:30 PM EST : Houston ( 2.5 ) at Kansas City ( -2.5 ) — T: 35
    10:00 PM EST : Dallas ( 3.5 ) at San Francisco ( -3.5 ) — T: 35
    10:00 PM EST : Indianapolis ( 3 ) at Seattle ( -3 ) — T: 34.5

    Typo, it’s Was @ NE.

    I like Berrios at WR in that game. He’s playing for a spot, they’re thin at WR so he should get snaps, and a lot out of the slot, and he’s returning punts so there’s also that addtl upside. He’s also pretty damn good.

  • WidumBoise

    Gosh, it just

    Feels like a Blount week…

  • deactivated204643

    @CleverGroom said...

    Question #1: Who are the best QBs on this slate who should play 1.5+ quarters?

    My list goes something like Baker Mayfield, Jacoby Brissett, Brian Hoyer, C.J. Beathard, David Fales, and possibly a flier on Alex McGough.

    Do we agree those guys are good for about 1.5-2 quarters apiece? Anybody we think can do better and still get as much playing time or more?

    Hmm…left the GB QBs out, did you? Lol. We know ARod won’t play so that leaves Kizer, Hundley and Tim Boyle. Two of them should get 1.5+ quarters each. I don’t know much about Boyle but I’d guess he might get the 4q. We know Kizer & Hundley had terrible seasons last year. On the other hand, you won’t often find two QBs in early preseason who have 15 & 9 regular season starts the previous year. I don’t believe Hundley will ever be a starting quality QB but in his two previous preseasons (missed almost all of 2016 preseason w/ankle injury) he’s thrown for 10tds and 3int, over 1100yds passing, 59yd rushing and 2tds. He can’t read a defense worth shit, one of his numerous troubles last year, but he has excelled in preseason against vanilla defenses. I’d be surprised if GB carried three QBs into the regular season so the battle between Kizer & Hundley should be a good one with each getting plenty of snaps.

  • AVivier

    @bluebroker said...

    Hmm…left the GB QBs out, did you? Lol. We know ARod won’t play so that leaves Kizer, Hundley and Tim Boyle. Two of them should get 1.5+ quarters each. I don’t know much about Boyle but I’d guess he might get the 4q. We know Kizer & Hundley had terrible seasons last year. On the other hand, you won’t often find two QBs in early preseason who have 15 & 9 regular season starts the previous year. I don’t believe Hundley will ever be a starting quality QB but in his two previous preseasons (missed almost all of 2016 preseason w/ankle injury) he’s thrown for 10tds and 3int, over 1100yds passing, 59yd rushing and 2tds. He can’t read a defense worth shit, one of his numerous troubles last year, but he has excelled in preseason against vanilla defenses. I’d be surprised if GB carried three QBs into the regular season so the battle between Kizer & Hundley should be a good one with each getting plenty of snaps.

    If Kizer gets legit snaps, he has to be considered. He should be the best athlete on the field. Those extra potential rushing yards and possible rushing TD, and seasoned enough that he should be able to eat vanilla D’s w/o talent playing.

  • deactivated204643

    @AVivier said...

    If Kizer gets legit snaps, he has to be considered. He should be the best athlete on the field. Those extra potential rushing yards and possible rushing TD, and seasoned enough that he should be able to eat vanilla D’s w/o talent playing.

    I agree. I wasn’t trying to sell Hundley over Kizer, he just has some eye catching preseason stats. I think both are viable this week. Hundley (5th rd draft choice 2015) knows the offense well, I might give him an edge but there’s no doubt in my mind GB wants Kizer to win the #2 job. They traded CB Randall (2015 2nd round pick) straight up for Kizer. Accounts I’ve read say coming to GB hasn’t been an easy transition for him. Everything from basic mechanics/footwork to reading defenses, MM is trying to rebuild him from the ground up. But yeah, I think they’re both worth a look.

    Edit- and if you play Kizer the obvious stack would be Equanimeous St. Brown WR. I haven’t read about them hooking up in camp yet but their college experience can’t hurt I suppose.

    -Edited for clarity

  • CleverGroom

    @AVivier said...

    Typo, it’s Was @ NE.

    I like Berrios at WR in that game. He’s playing for a spot, they’re thin at WR so he should get snaps, and a lot out of the slot, and he’s returning punts so there’s also that addtl upside. He’s also pretty damn good.

    Thank you! OP is fixt.

    Interesting call on Berrios too. Adding him to my list for further inspection.

  • CleverGroom

    @bluebroker said...

    Hmm…left the GB QBs out, did you?

    GB was a top also-ran for my list.

    I think you’ve got a point, actually. Boyle looks so raw that it’s hard for me to imagine him getting more than the 4th quarter. I also agree Ole Sad Eyes will not appear. That leaves us with 3 quarters to split between Kizer and Hundley.

    Your worst case scenario is probably landing on the wrong side of a 1/2 split. Best case is probably a full half. That’s probably about average for anybody we’ll consider, and I’d say they’re both considerably above-average fantasy talents in this field (their rushing is huge).

    Not for nothing, but I appreciate an opportunity to discuss Hundley with you after last season. We should all be ready and eager to change our minds on guys once the writing’s on the wall. You’re a good role model.

    ETA: Great idea on the Kizer/St. Brown stack too. Dude had his best year with Kizer and led Notre Dame for receiving.

  • deactivated204643

    @CleverGroom said...

    Not for nothing, but I appreciate an opportunity to discuss Hundley with you after last season

    Bias is like cancer, any kind can kill you

  • deactivated204643

    @AVivier said...

    I like Berrios at WR in that game.

    I see Edelman has dubbed him Honey Nut Berrios, 😂 I’ll roster him just for that

  • CleverGroom

    Luck said he has an idea of what he needs to see and feel and do in the Colts’ four preseason games—taking a hit is one of them—but didn’t want to look ahead too early, with a week of practice before then. Reich said he’s expecting to play Luck with the starters for about a quarter in Seattle next Thursday.

    “The plan is to play him a little bit more than he would normally would if he’d had a normal year last year,” Reich says. “But I don’t want to overreact. He’ll get enough snaps in, we’ll recreate enough out here in practice by the way we practice and the speed at which we practice, and all the situational stuff we practice. We’ll build a confidence lever there. And sure, he needs to get his snaps, and maybe a little bit more. But I’m not gonna be dramatic with it.”

    When he says, “play Luck with the starters,” doesn’t that mean all of the starters? If you’re Frank Reich, would you throw the face of the franchise out on CenturyLink Field without the entire starting lineup in front of him? I can’t imagine.

    If I tell you that you can have 1 quarter of healthy Andrew Luck, Jack Doyle, and T.Y. Hilton or 2 quarters out of your choice of backup QB, WR4+, and TE3+, what’s your fancy?

    If you took the backups, imagine that your guys only get 1.5 quarters in the end. Feels bad, right?

    Another thought: what if the sharp play here is to just lock in T.Y. and hope he breaks one? One catch and that man could beat the vast majority of the field. 2+ receptions and you’re probably flying.

    Obviously this makes Jacoby Brissett a little thinner too. Still possible he gets 2+ quarters. He’s just got Brad Kaaya and UDFA Philip Walker behind him.

    Brisket’s locked in as QB2, whatever happens. Wonder if they’ll get curious to see Walker, though.

  • Dunzor

    I just wanted to say welcome back CG! I know you left the forums part way through the season last year because of a few dumb naysayers but you bring a wealth of information to the NFL discussions and I think we all will benefit from having you back. Good luck this season!

  • mciama2000

    The one down side to Berrios is the Patriots also have Riley McCarron, who is essentially the same player both 5’10 190 lb slot guys. They are both fighting for a roster spot, so they would eat into each other’s snaps. That got me thinking, what about Edelman? Hasn’t played in over a year, suspended the first 4 games. Could we see a scenario where he plays the whole first half and Hoyer force feeds him 6 or 7 targets just to get him back into game speed and take some hits.

  • CleverGroom

    @mciama2000 said...

    The one down side to Berrios is the Patriots also have Riley McCarron, who is essentially the same player both 5’10 190 lb slot guys. They are both fighting for a roster spot, so they would eat into each other’s snaps. That got me thinking, what about Edelman? Hasn’t played in over a year, suspended the first 4 games. Could we see a scenario where he plays the whole first half and Hoyer force feeds him 6 or 7 targets just to get him back into game speed and take some hits.

    I’ve been wondering the same thing about other suspended players (Mark Ingram, Jameis Winston, and Aaron Jones come to mind), but Julian Edelman could certainly be a special case:

    It’s been a grind. Honestly just trying to get your legs to – you’re compounding day after day after day after day. When you’re working in the offseason, you may put three together – I think we’re on what, eight today? So you’re always trying to go out and get better and I have to do a lot better. I feel like I got to get my legs under me a lot more. I don’t have my camp legs, I don’t have football legs and it’s evident out there. You get tired, you create bad habits, you don’t run your routes right and you get yelled at in meetings for it. I’m expecting to do that because I got to pick it up. I wasn’t as good as I want to be today and feeling that’s because I’m not in the best shape right now. (Sauce)

    It’s evident he needs the time. It’s also evident he’s a disproportionate injury risk, and that they need to sort out the pecking order down the depth chart.

    Shame he plays for literally the NFL coach least likely to tell us anything of use.

  • CleverGroom

    Ralph Webb, anybody?

    Sony Michel could be shut down for the summer (or more). Rex Burkhead, James White, and Brandon Bolden will all make the team. Jeremy Hill has a chance to unseat Mike Gillislee as the goal-line and short-yardage back, though I’d guess both get cut unless Michel goes to IR boomerang.

    That leaves Gillislee, Hill, and Webb on the outside looking in. I’d bet on Webb > Hill > Gillislee for playing time.

    Webb’s camp hasn’t been going well, but his pedigree is insane for a UDFA. 93rd percentile SPARQ score. 931-4,178-32 rushing (4.5 YPC) over four full seasons in the SEC (Vandy). Added 68-572-3 receiving. His resume reads something like if Case Keenum had been a RB, and Belichick decided he was worth a shot. Who am I to disagree?

    Any reason he doesn’t see a good 2+ quarters of work in this one? If there’s a week for him to be featured, I’d think it’s this one.

    ETA

    Thought it was notable that Mike Gillislee took reps in today’s 11-on-11 session while rookie QB Danny Etling was leading the third-team offense. Only Gillislee and Ralph Webb took reps. No Burkhead, White, Hill, Bolden. (Sauce)

  • CleverGroom

    Couple Cowboys thoughts. Let’s start with WR.

    Terrance Williams, Deonte Thompson, Allen Hurns, Cole Beasley, and Tavon Austin will play little, if at all.

    Michael Gallup is obviously the best WR in this bunch who might get a good look in this game. I don’t hate him here but what’s he get? 3-4 targets on a good day? High risk, high upside play.

    Lance Lenoir has been working his ass off. Reports from camp aren’t uniformly glowing, but they’re positive, and they keep losing other WRs to injury. Lenoir’s a serious roster candidate at this point.

    I don’t see much competition behind Lenoir for WR snaps in this game. The alternatives were just signed, have been injured, or are established practice squad players. Lenoir could benefit from unusually concentrated WR reps here.

    Moving on to TE, everybody will remember Rico Gathers last preseason. Dude’s a nice move TE. Unfortunately he sucks at blocking and the indications we’ve had from the coaching staff are that they hate his guts. Witten spoiled them by being good at everything for a generation.

    Gathers is an option, and bound to get at least a target or two. I don’t mind him.

    What’s more exciting to me is good buzz around Blake Jarwin. He’s a UDFA with good measurables and a well-rounded skill set. Been flashing as a receiver in camp. If he gets a long look as a Gathers alternative, he could easily lead the team in receiving.

    Dalton Schultz is a 4th-round pick who reads to me like he’s trailing Jarwin. He’s 2 years younger, so that shouldn’t be surprising. Could be a guy they try to develop into a rounded TE. He’s had his moments in camp and could get some receiving looks.

    Geoff Swaim is a blocking specialist. David Wells seems to be the forgotten man. I think Jarwin stands out among the TEs I’ve been looking at in terms of receiving skills, camp trajectory, and the narrative I can build around his targets in this game.

    Further Reading

    Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz

    One of the biggest worries coming into camp was how the team was going to replace the great Jason Witten at the tight end position. And when rumors were circulating early about the struggles of Rico Gathers, things looked pretty dim. But all this worry could be for naught as both Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz are off to really good starts. Jarwin gets off the line quickly, is fluid out of his breaks, and catches the ball naturally.

    Schultz, who was seen primarily as an in-line blocking tight end in Stanford is relatively unproven as a receiver, but early indications are that it’s something he’s up for. He’s been crisp out of his routes and looks very comfortable catching the ball.

    This is good news as both these guys have the attributes to be a balanced, dual-threat tight end versus the limited skill set of Geoff Swaim (blocking) and Rico (receiving).

    Rico Gathers

    The Baylor basketball star-turned tight end has had plenty of growing pains as he attempts to learn the game of football. It’s one of the reasons he’s still yet to register a single regular season snap after already being in the league for two seasons. The knock on Gathers has been his poor blocking, but his struggles are extending over into the receiving portion as well. He shows a lack of body control, doesn’t get out of his breaks well, and is even dropping passes. Right now, he looks like a long shot to make this roster. (Sauce)

  • Stangs13

    The low dollar tournaments for Thursday and Friday are disappointing to me. Seems like they would be able to fill bigger and better tournaments than what is available. Also what is with the payouts with the Friday .25 tournaments

  • AVivier

    @Stangs13 said...

    The low dollar tournaments for Thursday and Friday are disappointing to me. Seems like they would be able to fill bigger and better tournaments than what is available. Also what is with the payouts with the Friday .25 tournaments

    The satellites to the MM are a lot more intriguing to me. It’s a big $50 first place on that Friday QA slate!

  • deactivated204643

    For those interested in NFL beat writers this is a list of who you might want to follow on Twitter. I didn’t make it and can’t remember who did but I thought some may find it worthwhile.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pf1GgxebFD-9iTgVzBNmq_yoh94wvleglXQwkUVhsKY/htmlview

    Edit- made by PK Ripper @amaze652

  • KindGuy

    No one has mentioned my favorite QB play.

    Nvm.

    I was wondering why no one had brought up Pre Season Stud Jake Rudock. Not on this weeks slate.

  • Syzltuth

    @bluebroker said...

    For those interested in NFL beat writers this is a list of who you might want to follow on Twitter. I didn’t make it and can’t remember who did but I thought some may find it worthwhile.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pf1GgxebFD-9iTgVzBNmq_yoh94wvleglXQwkUVhsKY/htmlview

    Edit- made by PK Ripper @amaze652

    Awesome, thanks. This makes it a lot easier than tracking them all down individually.

  • dbullsfan

    Was really hoping DK had Jaylen Samuel’s (Pit) listed at TE instead of RB. I think/hope he gets quite a bit of run all over the field as he is a bit of a swiss army knife in the Ty Montgomery mold

  • KindGuy

    @dbullsfan said...

    Was really hoping DK had Jaylen Samuel’s (Pit) listed at TE instead of RB. I think/hope he gets quite a bit of run all over the field as he is a bit of a swiss army knife in the Ty Montgomery mold

    Wasn’t TyMont listed as a WR for a few weeks last year on DK? Dude was like a cheat code haha.

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