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  • bhdevault

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  • BIF

    @Supanice said...

    They use the same stacks with 0 dupes, often with only 1 player changed. Ive seen them using the same cash lineup in single entry double ups. In fact they won a seat this year with the same lineup but only one had kamara and the other had Thomas.

    Are you actually saying they don’t collude?

    No it’s obvious they share player pools but it’s 2 guys not 20. I don’t care if 2 people play the same cash lineup in a single entry.

    So if I discuss every position on the slate with a buddy until we basically agree on at least 2-3 guys at every position and of course each have our one-offs; that’s not collusion as we both only play about 20 lineups and often in diff contests but because they play a tighter core and have 300 lineups it’s collusion.

    What about a tout service that has 1000+ customers who follow the same tout and he gives you 6 lineup spots – now if those 1000 people all play 20+ lineups and rotate in diff players, they have 20,000+ lineups but that’s not collusion as these people don’t know each other.

    My point is it’s happening all across the industry in different ways – what if deebo on here only listened to Squid and played the exact same cash lineup as him ? Is that collusion?

    The issue with CA and PPG is that they are very good and nail their cores in an abnormally higher percentage than everyone else – yes then having 300 entries makes it easier to turn the good Top 500 lineups into awesome Top 5 finishes but how many Top 500’s have the majority of people on here had in big GPPs ? Very few…..

  • AVivier

    @BIF said...

    So play single entry, 3-max, 6-max and 20-max only

    What’s the problem ?

    I still don’t see 95% of the people on here beating them in those limited entry contests anyways – so at what point do people just admit that they are better at this than them and stop complaining ?

    Don’t play 150-entry MME contests if it’s a losing game

    I’ll never understand why people would rather play 3 $20 lineups in a 150-entry than max out the Playaction. One clearly has a much, much higher ROI. I’m sure there are many people that are net losers who would get a nice profit simply by playing better tournaments.

  • Messiah717

    @AVivier said...

    I’ll never understand why people would rather play 3 $20 lineups in a 150-entry than max out the Playaction. One clearly has a much, much higher ROI. I’m sure there are many people that are net losers who would get a nice profit simply by playing better tournaments.

    The lure of the big payout will always trump common sense.

  • blue

    @BIF said...

    No it’s obvious they share player pools but it’s 2 guys not 20. I don’t care if 2 people play the same cash lineup in a single entry.

    So if I discuss every position on the slate with a buddy until we basically agree on at least 2-3 guys at every position and of course each have our one-offs; that’s not collusion as we both only play about 20 lineups and often in diff contests but because they play a tighter core and have 300 lineups it’s collusion.

    What about a tout service that has 1000+ customers who follow the same tout and he gives you 6 lineup spots – now if those 1000 people all play 20+ lineups and rotate in diff players, they have 20,000+ lineups but that’s not collusion as these people don’t know each other.

    My point is it’s happening all across the industry in different ways – what if deebo on here only listened to Squid and played the exact same cash lineup as him ? Is that collusion?

    The issue with CA and PPG is that they are very good and nail their cores in an abnormally higher percentage than everyone else – yes then having 300 entries makes it easier to turn the good Top 500 lineups into awesome Top 5 finishes but how many Top 500’s have the majority of people on here had in big GPPs ? Very few…..

    Are we just seeing the wins? Are they submitting a ton of other lineups that lose and we just don’t see that? Forgive me if this is a stupid question. I’m new at football

  • Trappist1

    @BIF said...

    No it’s obvious they share player pools but it’s 2 guys not 20. I don’t care if 2 people play the same cash lineup in a single entry.

    So if I discuss every position on the slate with a buddy until we basically agree on at least 2-3 guys at every position and of course each have our one-offs; that’s not collusion as we both only play about 20 lineups and often in diff contests but because they play a tighter core and have 300 lineups it’s collusion.

    What about a tout service that has 1000+ customers who follow the same tout and he gives you 6 lineup spots – now if those 1000 people all play 20+ lineups and rotate in diff players, they have 20,000+ lineups but that’s not collusion as these people don’t know each other.

    My point is it’s happening all across the industry in different ways – what if deebo on here only listened to Squid and played the exact same cash lineup as him ? Is that collusion?

    The issue with CA and PPG is that they are very good and nail their cores in an abnormally higher percentage than everyone else – yes then having 300 entries makes it easier to turn the good Top 500 lineups into awesome Top 5 finishes but how many Top 500’s have the majority of people on here had in big GPPs ? Very few…..

    The platforms have rules against collusion and syndicate play, the rules sound clear to me and the question is whether they have the will to enforce their rules or will they sleep walk to another legal action. We all know what happened previously and lessons have not been learned. You are mixing apples and oranges, fantasy games are discussed everywhere including this forum that does not mean people are deliberately working as a syndicate to collude and circumvent max entry limits.

    The platforms always have been about short term gain and never had a long term plan. Their demise will be the short term thinking and without game integrity then DFS is another rigged game and a waste of time.

  • Trappist1

    @blue said...

    Are we just seeing the wins? Are they submitting a ton of other lineups that lose and we just don’t see that? Forgive me if this is a stupid question. I’m new at football

    Yes, they lose tons and they can not control the variance. But what they do is they make sure the odds of winning these top heavy contests are tilted in their favor if they working as a syndicate to circumvent the entry limits. I do not think they only ones that do this just that they have got a higher public profile due to their success.

  • Trappist1

    @BIF said...

    So play single entry, 3-max, 6-max and 20-max only

    What’s the problem ?

    I still don’t see 95% of the people on here beating them in those limited entry contests anyways – so at what point do people just admit that they are better at this than them and stop complaining ?

    Don’t play 150-entry MME contests if it’s a losing game

    Game Integrity!!! If people think game integrity on a platform is compromised and the platforms lack the will power to take action. Then stop and move on, smaller platforms take game integrity seriously and so play there. Amazing how people try to sweep game integrity under the carpet, if there is no game integrity then what does a DFS platform offer than a game that is rigged. Come on!

  • Messiah717

    The collusion issue comes up constantly regarding these two players and it’s clear as day what they’re doing. As somebody said the platforms clearly don’t care and will never do anything about it.

  • Dfsloser247

    Goddson1986 had a huge day whoever that is. Took down the .25 and 1$ gpp on fd. Had like 50 lineups in top 75.
    Played alot of foles-mcguire-brown-anserson and ertz as core

  • monarch

    @Rolled said...

    Jalen Richard or Doug Martin

    Both gross, coming from a Raiders fan. I couldn’t pick either.

  • BIF

    @electrichaz3 said...

    Got my biggest win today! 2nd in the FD $9.99 million for 50k. I’m usually an NBA and MLB guy but this was nice. Sick sweat at the end Antonio brown and Michael Thomas got me there.

    👍 nice haul !

  • Kingspark35

    @monarch said...

    Both gross, coming from a Raiders fan. I couldn’t pick either.

    I have a basic question, if you can help.

    Normally play pga.

    But what is a ‘core’ for nfl.

  • BIF

    @Trappist1 said...

    Game Integrity!!! If people think game integrity on a platform is compromised and the platforms lack the will power to take action. Then stop and move on, smaller platforms take game integrity seriously and so play there. Amazing how people try to sweep game integrity under the carpet, if there is no game integrity then what does a DFS platform offer than a game that is rigged. Come on!

    I agree but other than trying for a 1 in a 200+K chance at winning a Million, there is no reason to play 150-max GPPs. You can play nice single, 3 and 5 max GPPs that all pay $15-$20K for 1st which is the same as about 5th in the Milly.

  • BIF

    @Kingspark35 said...

    I have a basic question, if you can help.

    Normally play pga.

    But what is a ‘core’ for nfl.

    Just keying on a 4-6 guys in a majority of your lineups and mixing in others so if those in core all hit, you will cash the majority of your lineups.

    Same with Golf if you key on 3-4 players and rotate others.

  • Rolled

    @monarch said...

    Both gross, coming from a Raiders fan. I couldn’t pick either.

    No choice. Went Jalen.

  • Kingspark35

    Thanks Bif.

    Where does the 4-6 normally go.

    I noticed Bigdaddies is back.

    Hope all is ok there.

  • Rolled

    @Rolled said...

    No choice. Went Jalen.

    Or I go Royce and hope Lindsay doesnt play well.

  • yisman

    Matt LaCosse is out

    Brian Parker in play.

  • mambaland

    i got cicma and empire playing same lineups in 4 man top 3 paid LOL

  • Rolled

    Jalen TD please

  • squidkill

    @monarch said...

    Both gross, coming from a Raiders fan. I couldn’t pick either.

    Wow this turned bad

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