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  • bhdevault

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    Thursday, 9/26
    8:20 PM EST : Philadelphia ( 4.5 ) at Green Bay ( -4.5 ) —- T: 46

    Sunday, 9/29
    1:00 PM EST : Kansas City ( -6.5 ) at Detroit ( 6.5 ) —- T: 53.5
    1:00 PM EST : Oakland ( 7 ) at Indianapolis ( -7 ) —- T: 44.5
    1:00 PM EST : Tennessee ( 5 ) at Atlanta ( -5 ) —- T: 46
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    1:00 PM EST : Washington ( 3 ) at NY Giants ( -3 ) —- T: 46.5
    1:00 PM EST : New England ( -7.5 ) at Buffalo ( 7.5 ) —- T: 43.5
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    4:05 PM EST : Tampa Bay ( 10 ) at LA Rams ( -10 ) —- T: 48.5
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    Monday, 9/30
    8:15 PM EST : Cincinnati ( 4.5 ) at Pittsburgh ( -4.5 ) —- T: 43.5

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  • NDNole

    I think dissley will disappoint. But how can I pass up playing him against Ariz? Ugh.

  • Pandamonious

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    @Messiah717 said...

    Need a lot better play out of Goff. He has been unimpressive since last year’s playoffs.

    Goff’s home/road splits are real. 3 of the last 4 games have been on the road. The one home game, week 2 against the Saints, he played well, as you would expect, but the Rams ran away with that game and Goff didn’t throw as much. I think the issue here is the same, with wondering if Tampa can keep it close enough for the game to shootout to any degree. I like Goff on paper, but he’s priced pretty highly on DK. Some appealing options for less.

  • thedkexperience

    @zpa1989 said...

    are people on wayne gallman if saquan is out?

    Gallman is an awful football player. While there is some correlation in the NBA where you can talk yourself into Cedi Osman cause LBJ is taking a day off all Gallman will give you is 9 carries for 15 to 40 yards. Maybe he falls into the end zone but really, he has 10 point best case upside. He really does stink.

    He just had a game where Saquon was out for 80% of it and got 13 yards.

  • NDNole

    Dumb fade once, shame on the player for going off. Dumb fade twice, shame on me. Dumb fade pretty much the whole last season and the start of this season……..well ya get the point. Cash or no cash im playing Mahomes this week and figuring out the rest. Of course this will probably be the week he has a bad game (by his standards) and only scores 18-21. But im playing him for the sake of playing almost locked in points at least once this year since I never play him.

  • Messiah717

    @zpa1989 said...

    are people on wayne gallman if saquan is out?

    From a Giants fan point of view. They’re going to have to sign somebody and split the work. I don’t suddenly see Gallman as a workhorse just because Barkley got hurt.

  • cheddarbob

    @Pandamonious said...

    Goff’s home/road splits are real. 3 of the last 4 games have been on the road. The one home game, week 2 against the Saints, he played well, as you would expect, but the Rams ran away with that game and Goff didn’t throw as much.

    Goff is going to have a solid game. you are 100% right on the away/home splits on him. I like the over on this game as Tampa has low key one of the most lethal passing attacks in the league with Evans and Godwin, and Jameis has the green light from Arians.

    If Tampa gets down by two TD’s early they are going to let it rip

  • got9forya

    Lock your work horse Backs and Target Monster receivers and work your way from their. For TE and D I would look at matchups. to me QB is always a toss up

  • JTAx33

    @thedkexperience said...

    Gallman is an awful football player. While there is some correlation in the NBA where you can talk yourself into Cedi Osman cause LBJ is taking a day off all Gallman will give you is 9 carries for 15 to 40 yards. Maybe he falls into the end zone but really, he has 10 point best case upside. He really does stink.

    He just had a game where Saquon was out for 80% of it and got 13 yards.

    2017 Weeks 10-12 he averaged 10 carries and EIGHT targets. Saying his “best case upside” without Barkley is 10 is probably a very horrible take.

  • thedkexperience

    @JTAx33 said...

    2017 Weeks 10-12 he averaged 10 carries and EIGHT targets. Saying his “best case upside” without Barkley is 10 is probably a very horrible take.

    Oh really? Because where I sit weeks 10 to 12 last year happened when his QB was noted checkdown machine Eli Manning.

    The Giants don’t put their WRs into real routes. They just employed a QB who would freak out and dump it to Saquon way before he needed to. You’re more than welcome to play Wayne Gallman but if you think for a second that those were game planned targets I got a bridge to sell you.

    Jones is gonna look downfield for Sheppard or Engram and then take off running. Eli would look for just one of them, leave the WR too early and then either throw the ball 14 feet to Barkley or turtle up so the lineman could take the blame for his own ineptitude.

    How many times did Jones throw to Gallman in a game he was trailing the entire time?

    He stinks and his upside is 10 points barring a miracle with legit 1 point downside as evidenced by his 1 point this week. How’s that for a horrible take?

  • JTAx33

    @thedkexperience said...

    Oh really? Because where I sit weeks 10 to 12 last year happened when his QB was noted checkdown machine Eli Manning.

    The Giants don’t put their WRs into real routes. They just employed a QB who would freak out and dump it to Saquon way before he needed to. You’re more than welcome to play Wayne Gallman but if you think for a second that those were game planned targets I got a bridge to sell you.

    Jones is gonna look downfield for Sheppard or Engram and then take off running. Eli would look for just one of them, leave the WR too early and then either throw the ball 14 feet to Barkley or turtle up so the lineman could take the blame for his own ineptitude.

    How many times did Jones throw to Gallman in a game he was trailing the entire time?

    He stinks and his upside is 10 points barring a miracle with legit 1 point downside as evidenced by his 1 point this week. How’s that for a horrible take?

    Suggesting that a RB who currently projects for 80ish percent of the snaps cannot possibly get double digit fantasy points against a bad football team is a bad take. It just is. I’m not saying 10+ points is the most likely outcome but it’s insane to say it isn’t a very, very real outcome

  • monarch

    I’ll pass on Gallman. Pricing is so weak this year. You can pick whoever you like at RB and still construct a strong roster without having to reach

  • queensfinest

    loving shepard and engram again vs bad redskins defense

  • Smallchimp

    @zpa1989 said...

    are people on wayne gallman if saquan is out?

    This strikes me as one of the plays that has low probability to be a top-end play, even considering salary savings. His “most likely” outcome is probably 12-15 FP at most while seemingly everything would have to go right for him to be a high end tournament play. The Giants run blocking hasn’t been an issue this season, but downgrading from Barkley to Gallman is a lot more likely to cause an offensive shift favoring other players instead of letting Gallman be a fill-in. I don’t think he’s a bad cash play (in theory), but I don’t know that the ceiling is going to be there. Spending a RB/Flex spot on someone like Gallman is typically leaving points on the table while requiring a little big of positive variance to tilt the scales in their favor. His price is high enough that there’s a trade-off that needs to be made and players like Metcalf, Samuel, McLaurin, Waller, etc. are all in the price range while they could offer the same savings with a higher potential ceiling that is likely more probable.

  • thedkexperience

    @JTAx33 said...

    Suggesting that a RB who currently projects for 80ish percent of the snaps cannot possibly get double digit fantasy points against a bad football team is a bad take. It just is. I’m not saying 10+ points is the most likely outcome but it’s insane to say it isn’t a very, very real outcome

    No, it isn’t. Saquon might be the best non-QB on earth and he wasn’t even getting a ton of carries. Shurmur has shown many many times that he needs an act of Congress to call a volume amount of carries for Saquon so now he’s gonna do it for Gallman? And add in that the Giants don’t even call screen passes – let along having a RB run the seam on occasion – you’re starring at a game where Gallman probably won’t even see a dozen opportunities of any kind while Jones drops back more than 40.

    Being on the field for 80% of the game doesn’t matter when your coach has no intention of getting you the ball.

    And you’re seriously discounting the Eli factor but if you want to lose money be my guest.

  • Smallchimp

    @monarch said...

    I’ll pass on Gallman. Pricing is so weak this year. You can pick whoever you like at RB and still construct a strong roster without having to reach

    Yup. Between not pricing star RBs above $10k, not getting more aggressive with QB pricing, and being slow to price up mid-range WRs, there’s a lot less incentive to go for the traditional value plays like McCoy, Gore, Gallman, etc. Combine all of that with the fact that QBs and WRs are hitting home runs and feasting, the “safe” play of going for RB volume is a little less lucrative. Hopefully the current meta sticks around for another week so I can jump on board.

  • keephustlincuz

    @queensfinest said...

    loving shepard and engram again vs bad redskins defense

    I think this is the way to go if you like the giants. Just ignore gallman.

  • thedkexperience

    @keephustlincuz said...

    I think this is the way to go if you like the giants. Just ignore gallman.

    100% agree

  • econbrah11

    @thedkexperience said...

    Yeah, in season long I spent all August wondering if he has malaria or some other disease I missed because I couldn’t understand why the community in general didn’t like him. Got both he and Mack in a lot of leagues.

    This just smelled to me like a situation where a RB wanted to prove that he was great and a coach who would be more than happy to run the tires clear off of him.

    I was so wrong last week and you were 100% right. In the first drive of the 3rd quarter they ran 8 runs vs 1 pass and they were trailing 23-6. They are a run first team and Ingram looked like a beast yesterday.

  • keephustlincuz

    @thedkexperience said...

    100% agree

    I did a build with 3 giants and came back with mclaurin.

  • Pandamonious

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    I don’t think Gallman would be a terrible play. There’s not a ton of upside, and you can most likely find greater upside at WR in that price range, as Smallchimp pointed out, but 12 carries and 3-4 targets seems reasonable. If he can manage 40 yards on the ground, 25 yards in the air on 3 receptions, on DK you’re at 9.5 DK points, I think that’s a fine median type projection. Upside will be in TD’s or a quite realistic favorable game script, which bumps up his carries in the 4th. He doesn’t seem optimal by any means, but depending on line up construction he could make something work elsewhere in your builds, and if he outscores all the RB’s cheaper than him, it might make sense.

  • thedkexperience

    @econbrah11 said...

    I was so wrong last week and you were 100% right. In the first drive of the 3rd quarter they ran 8 runs vs 1 pass and they were trailing 23-6. They are a run first team and Ingram ran like a beast yesterday.

    Haha thank you. For what it’s worth I was sitting there drinking my 6th beer at the Bally’s Sportsbook and I thought “well F me, my bullshit was right!”

  • JTAx33

    @Pandamonious said...

    I don’t think Gallman would be a terrible play. There’s not a ton of upside, and you can most likely find greater upside at WR in that price range, as Smallchimp pointed out, but 12 carries and 3-4 targets seems reasonable. If he can manage 40 yards on the ground, 25 yards in the air on 3 receptions, on DK you’re at 9.5 DK points, I think that’s a fine median type projection. Upside will be in TD’s or a quite realistic favorable game script, which bumps up his carries in the 4th. He doesn’t seem optimal by any means, but depending on line up construction he could make something work elsewhere in your builds, and if he outscores all the RB’s cheaper than him, it might make sense.

    Nope. Eli isn’t gone man, zero chance he sees double digit points. None !

  • econbrah11

    @thedkexperience said...

    Haha thank you. For what it’s worth I was sitting there drinking my 6th beer at the Bally’s Sportsbook and I thought “well F me, my bullshit was right!”

    I’ll take the L

  • thedkexperience

    @econbrah11 said...

    I’ll take the L

    Onto week 4! We all say things on here that can look great or bad really quickly after and that’s even before things are taken out of context. Personally I love going back and forth on here early in the week. Even if there ends up being 9 disagreements that go nowhere it’s worth it for the 10th one where we all have a lightbulb moment.

    Anyway, thanks for the kind words.

  • queensfinest

    @keephustlincuz said...

    I think this is the way to go if you like the giants. Just ignore gallman.

    yea i might do daniel jones with shepard and engram but no thx to gallman..hes not good and they raised his price a lot and they will be even more pass heavy with barkley out. i do love russell wilson a ton as well. arz d is awful. starting with lockett, shepard, engram and prob dissly as well. tight ends vs arz is a layup as is qbs

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