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  • mvp001

    So last night in his “Grind down” Notorius mentioned couple of times that J.R. is going to have hell of a game. That he is his favourite value play and such, he even made jokes about it and such, even eliminating indiretctly other value plays in J.R. price range by some comments. We all knew that J.R. could potentialy make some shots last night, obv no one is playing for Cavaliers. He went dud. I love to read “Grind Down” everz night, but how to interpretate this.

  • kbarnhill7523

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    On FD, JR scored 14 fantasy points. If you took him for minimum salary chances are he didn’t kill your lineup. He also took 15 shots. Sign me up for a minimum priced player who is going to take 15 shots all day.

    Noto can’t see the future. You either recognized (like Noto did) that JR Smith was in a premium spot and decided to roster him. Or, you decided that you would rather differentiate and play someone else and fade JR. Neither decision made or broke your lineup last night. 14 points is 4x.

  • bhdevault

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    When the news broke of Cleveland resting Irving, James and Love, naturally you would look at the rest of the starting pieces for Cleveland as great value.

    At 3500 he was a steal and was very highly owned throughout the industry. He just didn’t produce, it happens.

    Not even sure what your question is?

  • MrFantasy

    @bhdevault said...

    When the news broke of Cleveland resting Irving, James and Love, naturally you would look at the rest of the starting pieces for Cleveland as great value.

    I think a lot of other very sharp players looked at this differently. Tristan news broke that he’d play 6-8 minutes and I took that as JR Smith probably being limited too.

  • steelcitydozer

    The night before last was the same situation with Irving resting and he put up 33 fp for $3500 . I was all in on him then and last night but last night didn’t go as we would have hoped.

  • tmspriggs

    @MrFantasy said...

    I think a lot of other very sharp players looked at this differently. Tristan news broke that he’d play 6-8 minutes and I took that as JR Smith probably being limited too.

    This was my thought, and so I only put him in two of six tournament lineups. It turned out not to be the case for either a Tristan or JR. JR just didn’t make shots, so I guess we weren’t that sharp, and as pointed out Smith would not have sunk your cash teams. Nicki Minaj fans lol

  • neogamer

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    @mvp001 said...

    He went dud. I love to read “Grind Down” everz night, but how to interpretate this.

    He was in a good spot to get up a good amount of shots with everyone resting. He is J.R. Smith though and has a history of absurdly bad shooting when put in these spots. Regardless, you pretty much had to take this gamble with his salary at the bare minimum, so Notorius was not exactly going out on a limb here telling you he was great value play. So you can “interpretate” this as he was not trying to mislead you, considering there was nobody else out there saying Smith was a horrible play last night at 3500.

  • bsmithwhat

    If this poster knew anything about sports, he would know that nothing is a guarantee no matter how good the situation. You could be a batter, facing a pitcher you are 35 for 35 in your lifetime, and then go 0 for 4 with 4 K’s. It happens. We can’t make Smith’s shots fall in the basket. We’re always looking for someone to blame when we don’t win! BLAME YOURSELF!!

  • Ross

    He took 15 shots (next closest was McRae with 9). He made 4 of the 15. He just as easily could have made 10 of them. That’s what JR Smith does, at 3500 he was a fine play.

  • mvp001

    i am fading jokic tonight

  • Njsum1

    Love when these threads come up…I love how clear it is that OP is trolling, and I love how people actually respond to OP like he was serious.

  • rebkell

    I post DK ownerships every night and last night, JR was very very popular, the first two are the high dollar tourneys on DK and everybody was buying into JR last night:

    Top 25 ownership comparisons:

    $500K Money Ball $325K Triple Threat $10K Quarter Arcade 1%+
    1668 (100.0%) 11385 (100.0%) 47058 (100.0%)
    1139 John Wall (68.3%) 6636 John Wall (58.3%) 18742 John Wall (39.8%)
    899 J.R. Smith (53.9%) 5997 J.R. Smith (52.7%) 17967 J.R. Smith (38.2%)
    868 Omri Casspi (52.0%) 5103 Omri Casspi (44.8%) 12651 Kawhi Leonard (26.9%)
    727 Kawhi Leonard (43.6%) 4077 Kawhi Leonard (35.8%) 11347 Trevor Booker (24.1%)
    619 Kosta Koufos (37.1%) 3601 Kosta Koufos (31.6%) 10971 James Harden (23.3%)
    544 Brook Lopez (32.6%) 3437 Julius Randle (30.2%) 10460 Brook Lopez (22.2%)
    537 Julius Randle (32.2%) 3392 Brook Lopez (29.8%) 10425 Omri Casspi (22.2%)
    477 Channing Frye (28.6%) 3176 Russell Westbrook (27.9%) 9933 Kyle Lowry (21.1%)
    457 Russell Westbrook (27.4%) 2950 Channing Frye (25.9%) 9233 Julius Randle (19.6%)
    426 James Harden (25.5%) 2921 James Harden (25.7%) 9067 Russell Westbrook (19.3%)
    423 David Lee (25.4%) 2613 Hassan Whiteside (23.0%) 8986 Paul George (19.1%)
    406 Hassan Whiteside (24.3%) 2509 Trevor Booker (22.0%) 8624 Channing Frye (18.3%)
    369 Trevor Booker (22.1%) 2387 Blake Griffin (21.0%) 8542 Hassan Whiteside (18.2%)
    315 Blake Griffin (18.9%) 2240 David Lee (19.7%) 8429 Blake Griffin (17.9%)
    281 Kyle Lowry (16.8%) 2062 Paul George (18.1%) 7556 Goran Dragic (16.1%)
    247 Sean Kilpatrick (14.8%) 1971 Kyle Lowry (17.3%) 6849 Nicolas Batum (14.6%)
    244 DeAndre Liggins (14.6%) 1785 Chris Paul (15.7%) 6279 Kosta Koufos (13.3%)
    243 “(player-popup)Kelly Oubre Jr (14.6%) 1762 DeAndre Liggins (15.5%) 6192 Chris Paul (13.2%)
    241 Paul George (14.4%) 1501 Darren Collison (13.2%) 6035 David Lee (12.8%)
    235 Chris Paul (14.1%) 1486 Garrett Temple (13.1%) 5540 Iman Shumpert (11.8%)
    231 Garrett Temple (13.8%) 1389 Sean Kilpatrick (12.2%) 5405 DeAndre Liggins (11.5%)
    225 Darren Collison (13.5%) 1356 “(player-popup)Kelly Oubre Jr (11.9%) 5074 Gordon Hayward (10.8%)
    197 Pau Gasol (11.8%) 1266 Goran Dragic (11.1%) 4987 Marc Gasol (10.6%)
    187 Goran Dragic (11.2%) 1227 Marc Gasol (10.8%) 4822 Sean Kilpatrick (10.2%)
    174 Marc Gasol (10.4%) 1205 Iman Shumpert (10.6%) 4732 Andre Drummond (10.1%)
  • Notorious

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    If it makes you feel better, I had 100% J.R. last night. Hindsight is always 20/20

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    @Njsum1 said...

    Love when these threads come up…I love how clear it is that OP is trolling, and I love how people actually respond to OP like he was serious.

    I think you may be grossly overestimating the intelligence, empathy, common sense, reasoning, etc. etc. of the general public.

  • tmarohl

    I love your work Noto – Keep it coming. I shied away from almost all of that “Cleveland value” for several reasons.
    1) I figured that even if they did well, they would be too highly owned.
    2) Didn’t need the value yesterday at all after Boogie was scratched and Harden most likely being in a blowout game and Westbrook in a bad spot. Left no one to pay up for.
    3) JR Smith sucks as a basketball player.
    4) McCrae hasn’t been getting much run, even in blowouts, so I thought he was Risky.
    5) Figured guys like Channing Fry and TT would not play much unless the game stayed close, which I didn’t think it would. Same thing for Dunleavy and James Jones.
    6) That left the young guys left to play. For the most part, there were better options for just a few more dollars.
    7) I took into account the opponent and the pace of the game. Thought those guys would be much better against a Phoenix or Denver rather than Memphis.

    Kind of a perfect storm not to play any of those guys.

    For those reasons, I only had a sprinkling of Cleveland in 4 or 5 of my 30 lineups, and never more than one of them on a single roster.

    In addition, I would like to point out that the folks at Rotogrinders do a wonderful job getting us information. You still have to take that information and analyze it through your own lens. For instance, if you read todays Grind Down, there are some players that I might avoid even though they look like great plays. AD for instance – Tyreke Evans is back tonight. What does that do to Anthony Davis and Langston Galloway? I seem to recall from past years that Tyreke is an offensive minded player and takes points away from AD. How about Will Barton – Looks to be in a nice spot, but I’m not sold because Gary Harris is coming back. What will that do to Barton’s production. Bottom line if you can’t rely on Noto or anyone else to give you picks. You can only rely on them to give you their thoughts. Sometimes they will be right, sometimes they will be wrong. Guys like Noto just happen to be right more than the rest of us :)

  • Epicsic

    Early in the day yes JR was clear choice but at 6 pm there was so much info out and value plays galore that no one should have been on JR so much with it being such a low total and the fact he sucks and puts up one game a month. A LOT of people over thought the situation. Low game total vs slow pace team with a super streaky player. No thank you I’ll find my value somewhere else which I did with David lee and Temple

  • theoddsmaker

    Funny thing is…as soon as Love/Lebron/Kyrie were announced out the DAY BEFORE you know it meant they were likely approved to go out and party a bit. Naturally you just know JR most likely joined since I doubt he really gave a **** about last night’s game anyway and TT probably just went to bed early and had Khloe read him bed time stories.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @Notorious said...

    If it makes you feel better, I had 100% J.R. last night. Hindsight is always 20/20

    sigh I was hoping you would’ve had 0% exposure. Would’ve been a fun day at the forums. :(

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @MrFantasy said...

    I think a lot of other very sharp players looked at this differently. Tristan news broke that he’d play 6-8 minutes and I took that as JR Smith probably being limited too.

    FWIW, JR was 76% in the $250 dub at DK(53 entries).

  • bignish

    @MrFantasy said...

    I think a lot of other very sharp players looked at this differently. Tristan news broke that he’d play 6-8 minutes and I took that as JR Smith probably being limited too.

    JR Smith isn’t a guy who’s just going to take over the offense just because the Big 3 are out. Some DFS players, including Noto presumably, fall into bad habits where they just plug in other starters when a few starters are out. You have to think critically about a player’s role in that offense and whether the absence of fellow starters actually decreases the effectiveness of the other starters aka LBJ setting up JR for open 3s.

    Often times, its actually a bench player whose minutes and usage increase when a highly productive starter or 2 or 3 are out.

  • Choco26

    @bignish said...

    JR Smith isn’t a guy who’s just going to take over the offense just because the Big 3 are out. Some DFS players, including Noto presumably, fall into bad habits where they just plug in other starters when a few starters are out. You have to think critically about a player’s role in that offense and whether the absence of fellow starters actually decreases the effectiveness of the other starters aka LBJ setting up JR for open 3s.

    Often times, its actually a bench player whose minutes and usage increase when a highly productive starter or 2 or 3 are out.

    What are you even talking about? He put up 15 shots last night, his second-highest total on the season. In fact, the highest was the night before, against the same team, with Kyrie sitting. Of course he was going to take on a much bigger role because he is one of the few guys other than the big three that can actually score.

  • srk8987

    day-to-day

    @bignish said...

    JR Smith isn’t a guy who’s just going to take over the offense just because the Big 3 are out. Some DFS players, including Noto presumably, fall into bad habits where they just plug in other starters when a few starters are out. You have to think critically about a player’s role in that offense and whether the absence of fellow starters actually decreases the effectiveness of the other starters aka LBJ setting up JR for open 3s.

    Often times, its actually a bench player whose minutes and usage increase when a highly productive starter or 2 or 3 are out.

    This is pretty silly. J.R. Smith is the EXACT type of player who would take over an offense if better teammates are out.

  • INSPYR

    @bignish said...

    JR Smith isn’t a guy who’s just going to take over the offense just because the Big 3 are out. Some DFS players, including Noto presumably, fall into bad habits where they just plug in other starters when a few starters are out. You have to think critically about a player’s role in that offense and whether the absence of fellow starters actually decreases the effectiveness of the other starters aka LBJ setting up JR for open 3s.

    Often times, its actually a bench player whose minutes and usage increase when a highly productive starter or 2 or 3 are out.

    So that means you went 100% Kay Felder?

  • Notorious

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    I wish the big three in Cleveland were out again tomorrow. I would recommend J.R. Smith every time in that situation. He missed shots and didn’t see a single minute in the fourth quarter. These things happen people.

  • infy72

    All you can really say is JR was JR and move on. It’s not the first time he’s disappointed when he’s been in a position to excel.

  • mvp001

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