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  • y2mulder

    Literally filed it on the way to Times Square last night. Wants money to be returned to losing players, and a fine of $5,000 per case. Also rips apart their advertisements as deceptive in nature.

    Talk about going for the throat.

    Rovell tweeted the story this morning: http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/14458955/new-york-attorney-general-wants-draftkings-fanduel-return-profits

  • neglafes

    @DefinitelyMiami said...

    I love DFS but Im able to call a spade a spade. No need for the insults

    Gambling is the wagering of money on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Gambling thus requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize.

  • stoptheinsanity

    @neglafes said...

    Gambling is the wagering of money on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Gambling thus requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize.

    Why are you even here? This is a DFS content site. You clearly think DFS is too scary and dangerous and adults shouldn’t be allowed to make their own choices. Go troll somewhere else.

  • neglafes

    I love DFS but I live in reality. I will leave you all to complain and not listen to other opinions though, enjoy your bubble!

  • FunkyColdModella

    @Ryazan said...

    It’s not gambling, not sure how many times clueless people like you need it explained

    For SOME people it’s not gambling as they’re certain to lose.

    All joking aside, it’s you who don’t understand the definition of gambling. “Gambling: to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance”

    You do research on probability, trends, etc in an effort to reduce variance but there’s still measurable risk associated with this industry. If you won’t cash in ALL your entries then the results (at least to some extent) are left to chance. Some guys clean up some weeks but sometimes they take losses. Overall they may be up but at times, they do lose therefore it’s a game of chance. Injuries, game flow, coaching decisions, etc…………all landmines that affect the outcome of games that we cannot predict.

    I don’t want DFS to go away but I’m tired of guys trying to portray this as something it’s not. Yes, there is skill involved but there is a measure (however small it is) of luck involved.

  • bigtroll04

    ok there is skill in gambling

  • SmokestackLightning

    @FunkyColdModella said...

    I don’t want DFS to go away but I’m tired of guys trying to portray this as something it’s not. Yes, there is skill involved but there is a measure (however small it is) of luck involved.

    Agreed, but it’s hard to blame those trying to separate the hard work involved with DFS from glassy-eyed octogenarians with their cup full of greasy quarters yanking slots for six hours until death at long last kindly stops for them. There is quite the chasm between the two and it rankles when ignorant, blue ribbon f**ks like Schneiderman try to say what we do is no different.

    But the biggest problem is that this nation’s gambling laws are nothing more than a tool used as a means to line the pockets of those who know how to manipulate them for their benefit. There’s no reason DFS should be illegal in modern society. This country embarrasses itself on the regular but never so often as when it decides to uphold silly old laws designed by religious extremists who hated fun—not for outdated morality reasons (though it loves to preen in that direction for that greatest of suckers: the average American voter) but for the benefit of casino interests and the lackey politicians who take their money.

    We’re at war with a monopoly, kids. That’s the problem. If Vegas and casino interests didn’t view DFS as a threat, none of this would be happening. Schneiderman, Madigan, et al, are just taking their marching orders from where their campaign contributions come from.

    For a while, I was sure because of its popularity DFS could run the gauntlet and win this thing. But I’m not so sure anymore, not unless it can cut a deal with Big Gambling. And last I checked, BG doesn’t cut deals. It cuts throats.

  • ActionJunkie

    I always use the argument about walking out my front door to get to work is gambling as the chances of an asteroid falling on my head (or dieing in a car crash) is a real possibility.

    Really though the gambling talk does us more hurt than good like Mike&Mike screaming it for hours two weeks before NY AG drops the banhammer. If you want to use the phrase gambling then do your homework about the legal definition for said state as arguing semantics in an internet forum will take years off your life.

  • ClownShoes

    Wouldn’t driving your car be illegal gambling? Your risking something of value (your life) risking you are going to arrive safely, without injury, and alive.

    You are using your skill to drive but there is a huge element of chance outside your control. No matter how skilled you are with a perfect driving record other drivers road conditions and things our of your control make it a game of chance.

    Same thing right?

  • kellykip

    yep, and if they are so hung up on ‘gambling’ and it’s impact on value loss to skilled persons, they can go ahead and ban professional sports as gambling. Take the highly skilled WR in the playoffs who went 10/180/2 but loses the Super Bowl share he was going to collect due to chance out of his control when the kicker slipped on a divot in the chopped up field and shanked the game winning 20 yd FG in the conference championship game.

  • poonwhipped1

    @Mattg45 said...

    To be honest guys, I don’t know how many people here are from buffalo/niagara falls area but a few years ago someone lost around a million bucks in casino niagara and pulled a gun out on the casino floor and shot himself in the head. If someone knows this guy I mean no disrespect but casinos feed gambling addictions, not daily fantasy.

    You speak the truth. There has been a few suicides down at the Salamanca Casino as well…

  • Putz

    @Unico10 said...

    The downside is that they have been replaced by Army and Navy ads

    And that’s a problem?

  • AtGame7

    @FunkyColdModella said...

    “Gambling: to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance”

    Where did you get that definition? I, at least slightly, disagree with it. I believe it is possible to wager on games of complete skill and that would still be gambling, no?

    I can wager on a chess match between to evenly matched players and that does not make chess a game of chance, but it still makes my wager gambling, does it not?

    To take that analogy to a ridiculous point, I could play Bobby Fischer in a game of chess. This could not be considered a game of chance as Bobby Fischer beats me 100 times out of 100. Still, there is nothing stopping me from wagering on myself. My wager would still be considered gambling, would it not?

    In any event, at some point everyone involved needs to get over the argument between gambling/not gambling and realize it shouldn’t make a difference.

  • DavidK44

    @AtGame7 said...

    Where did you get that definition? I, at least slightly, disagree with it. I believe it is possible to wager on games of complete skill and that would still be gambling, no?

    I can wager on a chess match between to evenly matched players and that does not make chess a game of chance, but it still makes my wager gambling, does it not?

    To take that analogy to a ridiculous point, I could play Bobby Fischer in a game of chess. This could not be considered a game of chance as Bobby Fischer beats me 100 times out of 100. Still, there is nothing stopping me from wagering on myself. My wager would still be considered gambling, would it not?

    In any event, at some point everyone involved needs to get over the argument between gambling/not gambling and realize it shouldn’t make a difference.

    The LEGAL definition of gambling has almost always involved some element of chance – different courts and jurisdictions have varied in how much chance is required (“any chancel”, “predominant factor”, etc.), but if a game is PURE skill, the legal definitions almost always have said that it’s not gambling.

    In layman terms, or non-legal speak basically, I would agree – if you’re putting money on an outcome of a future event, you’re gambling. Even if it’s complete skill.

    I also agree it’s not a relevant distinction in the big picture.

  • AtGame7

    @DavidK44 said...

    I also agree it’s not a relevant distinction in the big picture.

    This is the biggest mystery to me. Why the hell does it even matter? I honestly can’t believe this is the focus of the “investigation”.

    As SmokedStackLightning said earlier these are outdated, antiquated laws that were written long before any of us were even alive. Times change, society changes, points of view change, the wants and needs of the population change, all these things change as time goes by yet we are living with laws written so long ago that weren’t even intended to govern the issues of today.

  • stoptheinsanity

    @FunkyColdModella said...

    “Gambling: to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance”

    Welp. Okay by that definition every business investment is gambling. Putting up money to open a restaurant would be gambling. No way to know if people will come. Buying real estate would be gambling. Stock market would be gambling. Buying a lawnmower to start mowing people’s lawns would be gambling. And so on.

    Now is DFS the same as buying a lotto ticket? No. Not even close. There is actual skill that goes into influencing the outcome. We aren’t playing against the house. We are in a competition against each other. If we were assigned random LUs then I see how it would be similar to a slot machine. But that isn’t the case.

    People can argue this whole gambling or not thing for eternity. It’s all just semantics and meaningless. It doesn’t matter what word you assign to something. The point is do you think DFS should be illegal? If your answer is yes(I know yours is not) I just wonder why you think you should be able to tell other adults how to invest their time and money. Why do so many people have this mental disease that makes them think they should get to make everybody’s decisions for them? STOPTHEINSANITY! ;)

  • DefinitelyMiami

    @stoptheinsanity said...

    Now is DFS the same as buying a lotto ticket? No. Not even close.

    Some could see similarities between DFS/Lotto in multi entry contests no?
    /buy the ticket, take the ride. Buy the tickets, get multiple combinations

    //To spare more name calling (hopefully): Yes, DFS should be legal as should all most all forms of wagering.

    BTW, the people on here making poor analogies equating things like driving to gambling make me LOL. The arm chair lawyers on here trying to redefine the legal definition of gambling should prob just stop also

  • jmo26

    @DefinitelyMiami said...

    Some could see similarities between DFS/Lotto in multi entry contests no?
    /buy the ticket, take the ride. Buy the tickets, get multiple combinations

    No.

  • Olhausen

    @DefinitelyMiami said...

    Some could see similarities between DFS/Lotto in multi entry contests no?
    /buy the ticket, take the ride. Buy the tickets, get multiple combinations

    //To spare more name calling (hopefully): Yes, DFS should be legal as should all most all forms of wagering.

    BTW, the people on here making poor analogies equating things like driving to gambling make me LOL. The arm chair lawyers on here trying to redefine the legal definition of gambling should prob just stop also

    Absolutely no similarities to the lottery? The lottery is a joke that makes the poor poorer and the government and politicians richer.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Sadly, this should have been expected. It’s really not that complicated…

    The majority of people in this country are morons. They fail to see things beyond the surface level and are unable, or simply unwilling, to view things beyond their own personal experiences (or desires).

    The national ad assault brought Daily Fantasy Sports to the masses, raising revenue, but in turn bringing in an influx of casual players. These people were easily manipulated to latch onto the “DFS is fun, it’s easy, I’ll win money” narrative, when they didn’t win, they just as easily jumped onto the “DFS is bad, It’s unfair. I want my money back” narrative currently perpetuated by the media.

    If the morons make the majority, it behooves politicians to launch these anti-DFS crusades (with the added benefit of potentially protecting their own special interests).
    Now these sites find themselves in the unenviable position of having to defend themselves against a group who ignores logic and reason.

    We’re stuck waiting it out. Annoyed at the idiocy on display and with little means to influence any of it.

  • johnnyj580

    @Mattg45 said...

    To be honest guys, I don’t know how many people here are from buffalo/niagara falls area but a few years ago someone lost around a million bucks in casino niagara and pulled a gun out on the casino floor and shot himself in the head. If someone knows this guy I mean no disrespect but casinos feed gambling addictions, not daily fantasy.

    I used to work at Seneca as a floor dealer, and ironically lived at an apartment about 50 ft from the funeral home he owned. Thanks to Buffalo’s overly restrictive parking laws, we could never park on the street (they would legit ticket at 4:01pm when the restriction to park on that side of the street began at 4pm). Anyhoo, I would often park in his lot. One day he asked me if I worked at the casino, and began to explain to me he played there all the time.

    Truth be told, he killed himself over the relationship he had with one of the female dealers on the overnight shift (he was married) and not casino losses, they I can’t imagine they didn’t damage the man on some level.

    Having worked there though, I’ve explained ad nauseam to friends, how much ill casinos cause society. 80% of the profits really do come from 20% of the clientele. You see the exact same people over and over and over again, almost daily. The customers I enjoyed conversing with the most, I honestly wish I would never see their faces inside of a casino again. The place ruins lives, and for what?

    I’m not going to sit here and pretend DFS probably hasn’t caused the same harm to many, but to claim DFS is ruining society, while turning a complete blnd eye to casinos and lotteries because ‘they’re legal’ is pure hypocrisy. At least with DFS, I can personally, I’ve greatly advanced my knowledge of Excel and SQL.

  • Mattg45

    @johnnyj580 said...

    I used to work at Seneca as a floor dealer, and ironically lived at an apartment about 50 ft from the funeral home he owned. Thanks to Buffalo’s overly restrictive parking laws, we could never park on the street (they would legit ticket at 4:01pm when the restriction to park on that side of the street began at 4pm). Anyhoo, I would often park in his lot. One day he asked me if I worked at the casino, and began to explain to me he played there all the time.

    Truth be told, he killed himself over the relationship he had with one of the female dealers on the overnight shift (he was married) and not casino losses, they I can’t imagine they didn’t damage the man on some level.

    Having worked there though, I’ve explained ad nauseam to friends, how much ill casinos cause society. 80% of the profits really do come from 20% of the clientele. You see the exact same people over and over and over again, almost daily. The customers I enjoyed conversing with the most, I honestly wish I would never see their faces inside of a casino again. The place ruins lives, and for what?

    I’m not going to sit here and pretend DFS probably hasn’t caused the same harm to many, but to claim DFS is ruining society, while turning a complete blnd eye to casinos and lotteries because ‘they’re legal’ is pure hypocrisy. At least with DFS, I can personally, I’ve greatly advanced my knowledge of Excel and SQL.

    Well said

  • Ryazan

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      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

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      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    if NY bans DFS over the current stated reasons, with the hypocrisy of an excuse behind it, given what we all know about the lottery and other things that clearly make lives of NY residents bad without the NY AG batting an eye – it makes me understand government revolutions.

    I want this kind of government to just GO AWAY…just this retardation of decision making is sick, it makes me all of a sudden appreciate movements people have made against governments in the past. I seriously want a revolt against the government if they ever come to any agreement to ban DFS, because that is 100% corrupt.

    I never wish anyone pain or death, but he NY AG – he is a total slime….and i’ll stop there

  • Ryazan

    • x3

      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    FYI losing thousands today, but im not sitting here complaining that I need my money back or protection like a little piece of Schneidercrap

  • Putz

    @Ryazan said...

    if NY bans DFS over the current stated reasons, with the hypocrisy of an excuse behind it, given what we all know about the lottery and other things that clearly make lives of NY residents bad without the NY AG batting an eye – it makes me understand government revolutions.

    I want this kind of government to just GO AWAY…just this retardation of decision making is sick, it makes me all of a sudden appreciate movements people have made against governments in the past. I seriously want a revolt against the government if they ever come to any agreement to ban DFS, because that is 100% corrupt.

    I never wish anyone pain or death, but he NY AG – he is a total slime….and i’ll stop there

    No, it makes you understand what special interest are and how they compete against one another, meaning, the special interests padding the politicians’ pockets have more power than your own special interests of playing DFS and taking money of lesser skilled players, some who think they are being taken advantage of and some who may actually be taken advantage of.

    Welcome to the Oligarchy that the U.S.

  • sabresrock29

    The powerball is up to 400 million, time to go out and use the skill of picking random numbers in a game that’s fixed http://wivb.com/2015/12/23/key-lottery-leader-out-amid-jackpot-fixing-case/ but according to NYS is perfectly legal

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