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  • Cameron

    RG Co-Founder

    • 2014 FanDuel NFL Survivor Champion

    • 2016 RG Season Long Champion: NFL

    Update: This thread was written before the NY Attorney general sent cease and desist in NY letters to Fanduel and DraftKings.

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    Subsequent Updates

    Statement from DraftKings

    Statement from FanDuel

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    Following post made before NY news broke

    Hey Grinders,

    The battle to keep DFS fully legal is still going on in some states, and obviously New York is an important one. Attorney General Eric Schneiderman is considering preventing New Yorkers from playing daily fantasy sports. There are over 500,000 daily fantasy players in the state of New York and AG Schneiderman would like to put in place restrictive measures that prevent your ability to play. It’s time for our community to come together and stand up against these unreasonable efforts.

    If you live in New York, you can help now. Make sure AG Eric Schneiderman hears from you. Tell him you support daily fantasy sports for all in New York state. Daily fantasy sports is fun, entertaining and a game of skill. NY has bigger challenges than fantasy football.

    Please contact the Attorney General Eric Schneiderman via phone, email, etc. at the details below, and visit this URL to petition

    Sign the Online Petition to New York Attorney General

    Other NY Contacts:

    GOV. ANDREW CUOMO
    District: NY
    Phone:(518) 474-8390
    Fax:(518) 474-1513

    ERIC SCHNEIDERMAN
    Email:Eric.Schneiderman@ag.ny.gov

    Twitter Handles

    NY A.G. – at AGSchneiderman
    NY Governor – at NYGovCuomo

  • SpoWeezy

    @Queens819 said...

    Seems like the AG complaint is because so few (condia, maxadulary, etc) of players win the big contests; and that’s because they’re good and put like 50-100 entries in contests…. FD and DK should just limit the entries to just 5-10, or even just 1 entry per contest.

    DFS is supposed to be something that’s fun and a hobby; not a job, career, or main source of income.

    It amazes me that people who post on a DFS message board have a mindset like this.

    First of all, if the sites limited entries to just one per GPP then the gaurantees would not fill and you would not have your precious million dollar first prize that everyone obssesses about. You need the high volume players to even make those contests possible.

    Second of all, nobody is forcing you to play multi-entry GPPs. Both DK and FD offer single entry GPPs. They also offer 3-man 5-man and 10-man leagues. And 50/50s. And so much else. If you’re not winning the GPPs then why not play something else where you feel you have a better edge to win? I’ve never understood this as a valid complaint.

    The problem is that everyone who signs up thinks they are the #1 sports fan in america and that there’s no possible way they can lose. People need to stop and consider that maybe, just maybe, there are people out there who are better at this than they are.

    Once you identify that, then you can make a decision if you want to continue playing or not. If it’s just a hobby to you, and you don’t mind investing $20 bucks a weekend at the chance of a big score, then continue playing and good luck to you. Take the good with the bad.

    If you want to take it more seriously, then identify the games where you feel you can be profitable and play them. It’s really that simple.

    This ruling isn’t the fault of the sites. It’s half the politicians looking for money but also half the blame falls on the uneducated people who cry wolf because they can’t believe their handpicked roster didn’t win a million bucks.

    I truly believe the DFS sites will come out on top when all is said and done. And by then I hope that both casual players and pros realize exactly what the industry is and we can all just enjoy playing fantasy sports.

  • BobGrinder

    @mnappi228 said...

    U.S. Rep. Chris Collins, R-N.Y., tweeted to Schneiderman late Monday night saying “your decision on daily fantasy sports is another blatant grab for headlines @ the expense of New Yorker’s personal freedoms.

    While I agree with him, attacking someone’s motive is never the way to get them to change their mind. All does is back them into a corner that they now have to stick to their guns rather than admit why they were really doing it.

  • kgeorge

    2013 DD Bracket Champion ($11)

    @Putz said...

    While I would be disappointed, there are bigger issues I need to spend my energy on than this. Real issues.

    Living under a totalitarian government is not a real issue?

  • bbjay20

    @mnappi228 said...

    U.S. Rep. Chris Collins, R-N.Y., tweeted to Schneiderman late Monday night saying “your decision on daily fantasy sports is another blatant grab for headlines @ the expense of New Yorker’s personal freedoms.”

    Chris Collins BOOM!

  • whothis

    @CDonaldson83 said...

    http://rotoexperts.com/100645/daily-fantasy-news-fanduel-and-draftkings-issued-cease-and-desist-in-new-york-state/

    Thank u for this, everyone should check this out

  • sportsgrinder

    • Blogger of the Month

    500,000 DFS players in New York. AG Schneiderman won his 2014 election by 491,171 votes….

  • Dmurphy104

    • Blogger of the Month

    Good article here.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2015/11/11/new-york-attorney-general-should-not-be-death-knell-for-daily-fantasy/

  • bbjay20

    @whothis said...

    Thank u for this, everyone should check this out

    Youtube is blocked for me at work….anything of note there?

  • julieduke33

    @tarheel66 said...

    I know alot of people are upset. The question is how upset are you really ? You all know this is happening because the States want you in there gambling places that they run and they do not Want Draft Kings or Fanduel making all this money without them getting there hands wet. If we are mad, lets boycot going to any gambling parlor or lottery run by the State, NO going to Aqueduct, No Yonkers Raceway, No Monticello or Finger Lakes, No OTB parlors, no Casinos, and last but not least no State run lottery. Let them see how much money they will lose on a daily basis. Problem is we all full of hot air, we will bark up a storm but will cave in and go to the casino or racetrack to get our fix. How upset are you ? #hitthemback

    Just gamble on sports illegally to get your fix…government doesn’t get any piece of that…

  • y2mulder

    So, do the sites actually PLAN to update DFS players in New York anytime soon?

  • BobGrinder

    @SpoWeezy said...

    First of all, if the sites limited entries to just one per GPP then the gaurantees would not fill and you would not have your precious million dollar first prize that everyone obssesses about. You need the high volume players to even make those contests possible.

    You might want to check some numbers before you continue to try selling that “the big contests don’t run without high-volume players” BS.

    Weeks 8 and 9 MM, 80 and 84 high-volume players (100 or more entries) accounted for $368,000 and $338,000 in entry fees respectively. They would fill just fine without multiple entry or run with a slightly lower total prize pool.

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/mass-entry-analysis-958115

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/nfl-week-9-dk-milly-maker-results-961489

  • tommykarate

    @y2mulder said...

    So, do the sites actually PLAN to update DFS players in New York anytime soon?

    sorry if this was posted, but i just received an email from FD to confirm my profile details within 10 days or i wont be eligible to play.

    i reside in NY and NJ :)

  • QQSTUKIE

    Payment Processor DEMANDS DFS sites pull out of New York: http://www.legalsportsreport.com/6130/payment-processors-tell-dfs-sites-exit-ny/

    Don’t matter what the sites do now, Paypal will be next.

  • Keytonic

    I am reading a whole lot of complaints about FD and DK, and their multi entry GPP’s aren’t fair blah blah blah. I am no expert, I’m more like a low level player carrying 100 bucks in each account at any giving time. When the lineup I studied for did, my research for, doesn’t win I chalk it up as a loss. I don’t go running around biting the hand that feeds me like many people have done. I play 50/50’2 and 100-250 man leagues and that works well, I just stay within my means. Instead of blaming the industry and making it tougher for us who love this hobby, take responsibility for your choices. This isn’t a get rich quick scheme, and if that’s what you’re in it for you might as well get out now. There are single entry tourneys, leagues, etc. Like I said if you really enjoy it you wouldn’t be chasing the huge dollar tourneys It’s bitching like this that’s hurting our community. Seriously if you have issues with the game, it’s quite simple, DON’T PLAY. Don’t ruin this for everyone else who does enjoy it. Don’t ruin it for the people who have jobs in this industry. Quite being so damn selfish and look at the big picture. To all of you who love this, and are fighting for it. Thank you. end rant.

  • Keytonic

    Oh and I’d love to see some feedback on the DFS conference that’s starting tomorrow. The AG should show up there and give his speech to the community instead of hiding.

  • n1ck111

    @BobGrinder said...

    You might want to check some numbers before you continue to try selling that “the big contests don’t run without high-volume players” BS.

    Weeks 8 and 9 MM, 80 and 84 high-volume players (100 or more entries) accounted for $368,000 and $338,000 in entry fees respectively. They would fill just fine without multiple entry or run with a slightly lower total prize pool.

    He was basing it off the fact that someone wants to limit to 5-10 entries. How much of the pool is accounted for on entries 10 and up and I think we would have a better understanding of how much of the pool would be affected by making this change.

    I would wager that it would be a significant amount and that as the poster commented the MillyMaker wouldn’t exist and be able to pay out the way it does. Already you are showing people with 100 entries and up account for about 7%.

  • Monix111

    And it was just prior to the start of the NFL season when I was laughed at on here for suggesting that DFS’s days were numbered and at the very least, state AG’s would start getting on their high horses about this industry and want to regulate it.

    I guess the DFS pros are better at making out lineups than having any actual common sense. It didn’t take a rocket scientist to foresee all this coming.

  • gobluetjg91

    The conference should be interesting.

  • Dmurphy104

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Monix111 said...

    And it was just prior to the start of the NFL season when I was laughed at on here for suggesting that DFS’s days were numbered and at the very least, state AG’s would start getting on their high horses about this industry and want to regulate it.

    I guess the DFS pros are better at making out lineups than having any actual common sense. It didn’t take a rocket scientist to foresee all this coming.

    don’t hurt your arm patting yourself on the back.

  • SpoWeezy

    @BobGrinder said...

    You might want to check some numbers before you continue to try selling that “the big contests don’t run without high-volume players” BS.

    Weeks 8 and 9, 80 and 84 high-volume players (100 or more entries) accounted for $368,000 and $338,000 in entry fees respectively. They would fill just fine without multiple entry or run with a slightly lower total prize pool.

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/mass-entry-analysis-958115

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/nfl-week-9-dk-milly-maker-results-961489

    I never specified a high volume player as 100 or more entries. Run your numbers on the amount of players with 50 or more entries. Or 20 or more entries.

    Run your numbers on how many players had more than a single entry in the millionaire maker.

    My point is you can’t take away multi entry GPPs just because you want to play one entry. They already offer several games for single entry that everyone is free to play.

    I would be shocked if a single entry millionaire maker met the guarantee. But if it did then awesome, because then they could run multi entry and single entry millionaire makers each weekend and nobody would have anything to complain about.

  • stevster77

    Live in NY and have the fanduel app. Clicked the withdraw button and it says “Sorry, but fanduel records show you’re not eligible to play. Think this is an error? Contact costumer service.” Wtf not trying to play just want my money

  • shadowmoses

    @BlastyBlast said...

    Just boils down to NYS not getting their cut. This is the same state that has a casino located on Indian-owned land who were raking in millions a year and frustrating the state to no end because they couldn’t get their hands on a piece of the pie. This same Indian nation were manufacturing and selling cigarettes at a fraction of the cost and infuriating the state because they were cutting into the states profits they make from ridiculous sales and excise taxes levied on each pack sold outside of the sovereign nation. The issue of taxing cigarettes went through the court system after the state enacted “regulations” enabling the collection of taxes on non-Native American buyers. Ultimately, the state got what they wanted.

    Same thing with the casino profits. The state proposed a deal to the Indian nation that they would offer exclusive gaming rights in 10 counties in the state. In exchange, the state would receive 25% of the revenue generated via slot gaming. The Governors press release details the agreement, linked below:

    https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-landmark-agreement-between-state-oneida-nation-and-oneida-and-madison

    Once the agreement was finalized, the Governor then moved to expand casino gambling in the state by opening up the gaming commissions ability to grant more gaming licenses. And wouldn’t ya know, the gaming commission granted a license to a casino literally an hour away in each direction of the Indian nations casino which was just fleeced out of 25% of their slot revenue. Link below:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/nyregion/new-york-casino-resort-proposals.html

    The moral of the story is NYS and the ones who hold office are coming after the DFS industry just the same as they did with the Indian Nation. They will find a way to get their piece of the pie, and if they don’t, be prepared to see NYS residents unable to play. The petitions, letters, phone calls, etc. will fall on deaf ears. When money is involved and the state sees a cash cow they aren’t benefiting from, even if the litigation is successful they will find a way to ban it either through regulations or legislation.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I’ve lived in this state my whole life and know how this state and the ones in charge operate.

    For the NYS residents, enjoy DFS while you still can. I just pushed my chips all in tonight. It was fun while it lasted.

    Well said. That’s really all there is to this equation, leaving little to discuss in the wake of this news when you think about it. New York State is going to shut down daily fantasy sports one way or another, even if this particular decision is appealed and overturned. It’s only a matter of time. The other questions surrounding this issue—the skill versus gambling debate, moral obligations, etc—are just a smokescreen for the state wanting it’s share of the cut. They aren’t even worth our breath in addressing.

    Before this news broke out I was hopeful that the state would find a way to regulate the games and get its share without having to shut down the entire industry. It was wishful thinking, but really the only good outcome we could’ve hoped for. Honestly, I don’t have an issue with the state going after its cut because any state in any country would probably do the same thing. My issue is with them harming the players and, more importantly, their residents in order to do so by shutting down the games entirely. Black Friday all over again.

    Especially sorry to everyone who played these games on a more than casual basis. Personally I was just getting back into the swing of things and had invested a lot of time into putting together a formula for long-term success. What a wonderful waste of time.

  • hpharri1994

    Of course a single entry millionaire maker wouldn’t meet the guarantee, but that isn’t the point. A weekly millionaire maker is part of the reason we got to this point. When you allow for massive multi entry like that it creates the perception of a predatory environment. It also turns a lot of new players off. It is one of the many examples of the greed and instant gratification mentality that is responsible for the mess we are in today. Allowing these massive multi entries is good for the bottom line today, but it most certainly isn’t good for the long term health of the industry.

  • tommykarate

    @stevster77 said...

    Live in NY and have the fanduel app. Clicked the withdraw button and it says “Sorry, but fanduel records show you’re not eligible to play. Think this is an error? Contact costumer service.” Wtf not trying to play just want my money

    interesting – i did not try to withdraw but ive entered a few contests for tonight with no issues.

  • bbjay20

    @stevster77 said...

    Live in NY and have the fanduel app. Clicked the withdraw button and it says “Sorry, but fanduel records show you’re not eligible to play. Think this is an error? Contact costumer service.” Wtf not trying to play just want my money

    Hmmm, I withdrew funds last night and it seemed to go through. Will check my paypal shortly…

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