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  • Cameron

    RG Co-Founder

    • 2014 FanDuel NFL Survivor Champion

    • 2016 RG Season Long Champion: NFL

    Update: This thread was written before the NY Attorney general sent cease and desist in NY letters to Fanduel and DraftKings.

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    Subsequent Updates

    Statement from DraftKings

    Statement from FanDuel

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    Following post made before NY news broke

    Hey Grinders,

    The battle to keep DFS fully legal is still going on in some states, and obviously New York is an important one. Attorney General Eric Schneiderman is considering preventing New Yorkers from playing daily fantasy sports. There are over 500,000 daily fantasy players in the state of New York and AG Schneiderman would like to put in place restrictive measures that prevent your ability to play. It’s time for our community to come together and stand up against these unreasonable efforts.

    If you live in New York, you can help now. Make sure AG Eric Schneiderman hears from you. Tell him you support daily fantasy sports for all in New York state. Daily fantasy sports is fun, entertaining and a game of skill. NY has bigger challenges than fantasy football.

    Please contact the Attorney General Eric Schneiderman via phone, email, etc. at the details below, and visit this URL to petition

    Sign the Online Petition to New York Attorney General

    Other NY Contacts:

    GOV. ANDREW CUOMO
    District: NY
    Phone:(518) 474-8390
    Fax:(518) 474-1513

    ERIC SCHNEIDERMAN
    Email:Eric.Schneiderman@ag.ny.gov

    Twitter Handles

    NY A.G. – at AGSchneiderman
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  • coninefan

    I haven’t seen that draftops suspended NY players – did they send an email?

  • thesechipsarecrazy

    @johnnyj580 said...

    I would absolutely NOT bank on this (wordplay irony: I’m employed by a bank. You can’t see, but I’m winking at the reply box). I see one, if not both, of the following scenarios being more likely:
    1) The payment processors stop facilitating DFS sites, which essentially puts them in sleep mode. Having gone through this with poker, its horrible. I don’t see companies, with holdings on domestic soil, going through the possibility of criminal prosecution, just to stay in business while they battle this in court.
    2) The companies seek injunctions, but agree to leave NYS (and other states that follow suit) for the time-being, while this goes through the legal process.

    The sad thing is, number 1 is STILL going on for poker. Getting money off of offshore poker sites is pulling teeth. The trajectory so far seems like it will follow the same unfortunate path poker did. Get ready for a sad 10 years+.

  • QQSTUKIE

    @coninefan said...

    I haven’t seen that draftops suspended NY players – did they send an email?

    Has any other sites banned New York players?

  • Justjkelly

    http://www.masslive.com/news/boston/index.ssf/2015/11/massachusetts_attorney_general_2.html

  • julieduke33

    @Justjkelly said...

    http://www.masslive.com/news/boston/index.ssf/2015/11/massachusetts_attorney_general_2.html

    Sounds like a logical way to take a look at the industry , make changes where necessary, regulate in some way..not a let’s ban it cuz of a 100 year old law…IMO she wasn’t pro or con toward DFS but at least will take am informed look at it before doing anything..

  • Justjkelly

    Yeah exactly my thoughts as well

  • Putz

    @julieduke33 said...

    Thanks for the smart ass link by the way I don’t really think you are that concerned about me or anyone else but yourself from the posts I have read in my 4 years here on RG..

    I was being serious, given you sounded like you always need a betting fix

    It’s human nature to have your own interests in mind, but you forget I am the people’s champ.

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/putz-for-rg-forum-hof-889759?page=1

  • moshei24

    @coninefan said...

    I haven’t seen that draftops suspended NY players – did they send an email?

    Nope, but you can’t enter any contest if you’re physically in NY. Roadtrip across the water to Jersey!

  • mjimmer23

    Charlie Baker, gov of Mass had this to say.

    http://www.boston.com/business/news/2015/11/12/gov-charlie-baker-plays-draftkings-his-phone-says-not-gambling/F377LY5bcTQJH1dyzCyISL/story.html

  • jason18801999

    If I live 5 minutes from PA then I can just drive there and put a lineup in? I thought I would have to be a resident of PA?

  • EadesScience

    I kind of like what the Massachusetts Governor had to say in one of her statements…..

    Are daily fantasy sports considered gambling? Healey said: “I think anybody looking at this acknowledges it’s a form of gambling. Just because it’s gambling doesn’t make it illegal. We play the stock market. There are all different ways in which gambling may happen. But you know we can debate chance versus skill, and the like. I think just as a pragmatic matter, I think it’s important to get beyond that. Let’s focus on the issues, let’s focus on protecting consumers, and let’s set out some really robust standards for how this industry should operate, if it’s going to operate here in this state.”

  • BobGrinder

    @jmg416 said...

    Well none of that is true. But you could certainly beat most at the “casino urban legend” game.

    Yeah you’re right. 10+ years as a casino floorperson 20 years in the business and my family’s 50+ years in the industry…wtf would I know

  • nerachal46

    FYI New York………………

    New York Players: What You Need to Know
    In light of the headlines over the last 48 hours regarding DFS play in New York, here is what you need to know as it relates to Draftpot:

    1. Draftpot will continue to operate fully in New York. You can play tonight (~$16,000 in prizes guaranteed); you can play this weekend ($220,000+ in NFL prizes guaranteed).

    2. Your funds are segregated, secure, and protected. Should we at some point be forced to suspend our operations in NY, your money will always remain YOUR money, accessible to withdraw at any time. Several weeks ago, we suspended our operations in Nevada; all players who withdrew their player balances were paid out quickly and seamlessly.

    3. The FSTA is working with legislators throughout the country, and we support their efforts to draft common-sense legislation that codifies consumer protections while clarifying and confirming the legality of fantasy sports.

    As we see here, Florida is the latest state to move towards instituting common-sense consumer protections without prohibiting fans from enjoying fantasy sports.

    4. If you want to help defend your right to continue to enjoy fantasy sports, please reach out to the AG (@AGSchneiderman on Twitter) and your State Representatives to express your disappointment with these actions and your passion for enjoying fantasy sports.

    As always, thanks for playing on Draftpot, and don’t hesitate to reach out if you have any questions.

    Thanks!

    The Draftpot Team

  • BobGrinder

    What I don’t get is the reaction of the payment processor. The UIGEA shields them, that’s exactly what the carveout was intended to do.

  • letterj007

    @BobGrinder said...

    What I don’t get is the reaction of the payment processor. The UIGEA shields them, that’s exactly what the carveout was intended to do.

    I agree that the UIGEA would seem to offer protection to everybody.

    Perhaps the payment processor got some pressure from a “rival” of DFS…………..

    There’s more to the story here.

  • lggarruto

    Whats up with Cali? Dk looking for letters to Assemblyman??

  • TPSC

    @johnnyj580 said...

    I would absolutely NOT bank on this (wordplay irony: I’m employed by a bank. You can’t see, but I’m winking at the reply box). I see one, if not both, of the following scenarios being more likely:
    1) The payment processors stop facilitating DFS sites, which essentially puts them in sleep mode. Having gone through this with poker, its horrible. I don’t see companies, with holdings on domestic soil, going through the possibility of criminal prosecution, just to stay in business while they battle this in court.
    2) The companies seek injunctions, but agree to leave NYS (and other states that follow suit) for the time-being, while this goes through the legal process.

    I keep seeing this posted. The companies cannot seek an injunction. The AG has filed an injunction. You would not seek an injunction against an injunction. You would fight the injunction filed against you. Fairly soon, the companies themselves will be enjoined.

  • TPSC

    So many problems with the barstool legal article linked earlier.

    For one, there is a major difference between the Florida AG’s general advisory opinion on the legality of fantasy sports and the SPECIFIC cease and desist letter sent to actual, specific companies in New York.

    In addition, the lawyer in question is greatly underestimating the difference between the dominant element test and the material element test. He calls the material element test a “slightly” lower standard. He’s wrong. It changes the determining question from, “Is the outcome of this game primarily determined by chance?” to “Does chance play a material role in the outcome?” Material just means, from a legal perspective, “Having influence or effect.”

    It’s clear chance plays some role. In dominant element states, DFS is safer because chance is probably not the most important thing in determining winners or losers. But it’s pretty clear that chance plays some role in DFS, as it does in poker, which is also a game of skill.

    It will be very interesting to see how the courts interpret this law in the DFS context. They’ll be creating some new law in NYS because of the uniqueness of DFS.

    In my view, the fault is not with the AG for a bad interpretation of law, it’s with the legislature for writing a bad law that is being applied properly in this case.

  • SnowShark

    If i read somewhere correctly New Yorks definition of a skill game is more skill then luck. The AGs release on said the same pro’s continually win while saying it isn’t a game of skill. You have your answer there TPSC. His interpretation of the law is guided by all the money casinos have paid him!

  • DailyLoser

    The thing that gets me is the “under my watch” comment. FD has been in NY for 6 years and operated under his watch for 4 years!

  • tommykarate

    @jason18801999 said...

    If I live 5 minutes from PA then I can just drive there and put a lineup in? I thought I would have to be a resident of PA?

    you’re kidding……right?

  • yh4j

    http://www.boston.com/business/news/2015/11/12/gov-charlie-baker-plays-draftkings-his-phone-says-not-gambling/F377LY5bcTQJH1dyzCyISL/story.html

    Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker said DraftKings is “a game of skill” not long after he played the free version of DraftKings on his phone over the weekend. “I don’t think it’s gambling,” he said on Thursday, according to Boston Herald’s Matt Stout. “It’s a game of skill.”

  • MickFucci

    @EadesScience said...

    I kind of like what the Massachusetts Governor had to say in one of her statements…..

    Are daily fantasy sports considered gambling? Healey said: “I think anybody looking at this acknowledges it’s a form of gambling. Just because it’s gambling doesn’t make it illegal. We play the stock market. There are all different ways in which gambling may happen. But you know we can debate chance versus skill, and the like. I think just as a pragmatic matter, I think it’s important to get beyond that. Let’s focus on the issues, let’s focus on protecting consumers, and let’s set out some really robust standards for how this industry should operate, if it’s going to operate here in this state.”

    Well put!

  • MickFucci

    @tommykarate said...

    you’re kidding……right?

    When I go to enter it asks me to put on my location access so why couldn’t he do that?

  • jason18801999

    I was being funny based on the comments that I read, but why couldn’t you get a Pennsylvania PO Box?

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