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  • FrancisBooth

    What a great way to start the weekend…….NOT!

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/12/11/judge-orders-draftkings-shut-down-new-york/p4B99SqAYbaTFzsU2HhZNK/story.html?p1=BGHeader_SmartBar_Breaking

    MOD NOTE: Do not make any post regarding “offshore dfs” or ways to circumvent any blocks put in place. All such posts will be deleted

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @royalfan said...

    That is comical. Full season has long been deemed a game a skill game as it obviously is. DFS lawyers have not done a good enough job showing that DFS is as well.

    David Boies was good. This is a low brow judge with a wobbly track record siding with the AG no matter what was said. So wait… The judge said how is season long different than DFS then turn around and says they are???? Intelligent people in higher courts should be able to eviscerate this garbage.

    The judge’s law degree was from a non US university from a country with some questionable legal practices themselves going on right now- deporting people based on skin color. His reviews were mixed.. some horrendous. I would hope a higher appellate court would strike this down and AG Schneiderman will give it a rest due to his pursuit being not so popular.

  • whothis

    Just read the whole thread, this fn sucks.
    Last time with c and d order from AG, FD did not let NY state players enter anymore contests. DK did.
    As of right now, do we have 30 days to play on DK?
    I live 5 min from ct and 30 from NJ, can I drive there and make lineups? Get back home and cannot edit them? Anyone know the final word if its location or residency?

  • Mattg45

    @royalfan said...

    Couldn’t be more incorrect. Obviously, you are not very well versed in full season, as many DFS players aren’t. Which is fine. Many haven’t had a reason to get involved with full season. Especially the younger people.

    Played season long for 15 years, I play with guys who do research all year round. I won a 2000 dollar prize pool that I had auto draft on. It’s a very simple game

  • royalfan

    • x2

      2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @Mattg45 said...

    Played season long for 15 years, I play with guys who do research all year round. I won a 2000 dollar prize pool that I had auto draft on. It’s a very simple game

    Obviously people that play for big money are not in that league. You would get boatraced, as it is a game of skill. Big time. Baseball even moreso.

  • liwvu13

    @royalfan said...

    Wasn’t speculating on what the AG thinks. He has shown he doesn’t know his head from his ass regarding either type of fantasy game. Just stating that there is no question about it. A game of season long is far more skillful than a game of DFS.

    Its definitely debatable. If your talking about salary cap leagues, then I would agree with you, but most seasonal leagues are done with a draft. You literally pick numbers out of a hat to determine a draft order. At that point your almost forced into who you will select. Thats a lot more chance, than strategy. With DFS everyone has the same salary cap and the same players available to them.

  • Mattg45

    @whothis said...

    Just read the whole thread, this fn sucks.
    Last time with c and d order from AG, FD did not let NY state players enter anymore contests. DK did.
    As of right now, do we have 30 days to play on DK?
    I live 5 min from ct and 30 from NJ, can I drive there and make lineups? Get back home and cannot edit them? Anyone know the final word if its location or residency?

    You should be able to edit them, I’m in ny and have access to all my linueps

  • orangehat44

    are you kidding me? in my season long i have been in 1st place. i have gronk and had ingram. loosing your top 2 players in playoff weeks is pretty unlucky, regardless of waiver spot the scarcity of good healthy running backs on the wire will likely cause me to lose out. they are idiots, we get a 1099 for dfs winnings and i’ve never played in a season league that wasnt under the table

  • Mikey1508

    @royalfan said...

    Obviously people that play for big money are not in that league. You would get boatraced, as it is a game of skill. Big time. Baseball even moreso.

    I found eric schneiderman’s account on RG.

  • Jazzraz

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    @tommykarate said...

    how were you even able to enter lineups if you were in NY over the past few weeks?

    I was referring to entering lineups on Draftkings

  • stoptheinsanity

    @royalfan said...

    Couldn’t be more incorrect. Obviously, you are not very well versed in full season, as many DFS players aren’t. Which is fine. Many haven’t had a reason to get involved with full season. Especially the younger people.

    Just because you say something doesn’t make it true. The guy gave perfectly reasonable examples to back up his statement. You gave none. And to assume that most DFS players have never played season long is one of the worst assumptions I have read in awhile.

  • FargoBison

    @Ryazan said...

    why is the NY AG not concerned about people developing gambling problems with horse racing, playing the stock market, and lottery tickets? Those are all regulated but they are still dangerous to people who have gambling addictions…..so why not just ban those too? Cuz he’s a hypocritical moron…..literally, how are people like him in positions of power? A complete lack of logic to the highest degree.

    Yeah, if people have a gambling addiction they are going to gamble unless they get help. Banning this isn’t going stop anything, they’ll just move onto something else. The problem is that some of those things either line the state’s pockets or in the case of casino’s the pockets of crooked politicians.

  • xdan3220

    I’d be much more careful about using Draftkings then Fanduel if I was a NY resident based on the terms of service, which I’m guessing will be updated shortly. The key language that has me worried for NY residents is:

    “ Legal residents of Arizona, Iowa, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, and Washington (the “Excluded States”) are ineligible for prizes offered by the Website. Residents of the Excluded States are eligible to open and maintain accounts on the Website for use only in games that do not offer prizes.”

    The Fanduel terms of use specifically note only physical location as being important for the entry of games, but Draftkings is noting that residents of the excluded states are INELIGIBLE for prizes. From my reading of Fanduel there is no similar provision, so if you are a NY resident I’d either play Fanduel only for now or contact Draftkings about this provision in the eligibility requirements of the Terms of Use before risking playing. Although for now again NY isn’t listed in there but I would anticipate that being updated.

  • Jburgio31

    @whothis said...

    Just read the whole thread, this fn sucks.
    Last time with c and d order from AG, FD did not let NY state players enter anymore contests. DK did.
    As of right now, do we have 30 days to play on DK?
    I live 5 min from ct and 30 from NJ, can I drive there and make lineups? Get back home and cannot edit them? Anyone know the final word if its location or residency?

    As of right now, you will have at least 30 days left for DK. We’ll see what they do next month. They’re kind of like the drunk guy at the bar who won’t leave at closing time. Takes a couple very large bouncers to get them moving.

  • pburghpens22

    @Dmurphy104 said...

    Also please note that this ruling wasn’t a final determination on the legality of DFS u set the current laws.

    If NY can pass clear laws legalizing DFS, then Schneiderman has nothing to argue whether he likes DFS or not. I I imagine the lobbyists are busy with that angle.

    In in Ohio and there will be a determination there as well. I Don’t hear anyone screaming for it to be shut down here..I thrink refation more likely..but there is a casino presence here, so you never know.

    I’d be interested in what Dan Gilbert has to say. He owns casinos and the Cavs.

    Haven’t heard anything about Ohio, please tell me it’s not going to get banned there !

  • royalfan

    • x2

      2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @Mikey1508 said...

    I found eric schneiderman’s account on RG.

    Eric doesn’t have a clue about either kind of fantasy game. No way I could be him. I play large volume of both and have great understanding of both kinds of games. Both are skillfull for sure. One game of season long is simply much more skillful than one game of DFS, that’s all. It is a shame that the DFS sites couldn’t do a better job of showing that it is a game of skill, rather than making an asinine comparison to full season, which is more skillful, and a losing argument. Unfortunately, it helped lead to this sad day for New Yorkers and the industry.

  • jlowery73

    2012 DDC Main Event Champion

    • 2014 FAFC Finalist

    • x3

      2015 FACFC Finalist

    I have played a lot of big money season long contests over the years and it usually is simply a contest of health and who can hit on one or two of the waiver wire darlings of the year. There is SO MUCH that changes in an NFL year from what we know in August to what we know in December…the actual draft in season long leagues is not as critical as most people make it out to be. There is a great chance that at least 1/3 of your roster will be different by the end of the season anyway.

    Anyone remember the Josh Gordon year where a HUGE percentage of the leagues were won by whoever picked him up on waivers?

  • adelosa

    It’s hitting the fan…
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/12/11/judge-orders-draftkings-shut-down-new-york/p4B99SqAYbaTFzsU2HhZNK/story.html

    *“The protection of the general public outweighs any potential loss of business,” Mendez wrote.
    *In one case, that fear has already come true: Popular online payment processor PayPal, which many players use to submit entry fees and withdraw winnings from daily fantasy sites, said Friday it was working to halt such transactions in New York.

  • eKing

    Sorry about this, but I have to ask….. Anyone have any updates on Florida? There were many scary talks a month or 2 ago, and it’s been quiet. A little too quiet. I did here about the “$500,000 licensing fee” and that was it.

  • kgeorge

    2013 DD Bracket Champion ($11)

    @Ryazan said...

    why is the NY AG not concerned about people developing gambling problems with horse racing, playing the stock market, and lottery tickets? Those are all regulated but they are still dangerous to people who have gambling addictions…..so why not just ban those too? Cuz he’s a hypocritical moron…..literally, how are people like him in positions of power? A complete lack of logic to the highest degree.

    Do you really think Eric Schneiderman banned DFS because he’s concerned about people’s gambling habits? Come on, that’s just what he tells the gullible sheeple.

    Or maybe Schneiderman is just wiping out competition to the State’s lottery ticket monopoly and looking out for his casino and racetrack cronies. Last year alone Eric Schneiderman took in $48,750 in campaign contributions from gambling and casinos companies. And you better believe that’s not all they gave him.

  • Mikey1508

    @royalfan said...

    Eric doesn’t have a clue about either kind of fantasy game. No way I could be him. I play large volume of both and have great understanding of both kinds of games. Both are skillfull for sure. One game of season long is simply much more skillful than one game of DFS, that’s all. It is a shame that the DFS sites couldn’t do a better job of showing that it is a game of skill, rather than making an asinine comparison to full season, which is more skillful, and a losing argument. Unfortunately, it helped lead to this sad day for New Yorkers and the industry.

    Well so far you have given just as many examples as to why SL is far more skillful than DFS as eric has, zero. I’m just curious as to why you think this, not saying you are wrong, just wondering why you think this, or if you are just trolling. And yes I do play both, as I’m pretty sure many people here do too, I don’t see the big difference and I have won many leagues.

  • xdan3220

    I’ve noticed a lot of NY residents posting today about whether they can drive into a state in which it is legal to play DFS and enter contests. As of now you need to consult the Terms of Use for any site that you plan on doing so if you want to make sure if you hit a payout that you can collect your winnings. The Draftkings Terms of Use has some language in it that would have me worried about receiving a payout if I entered by going into a different state to play, specifically:

    “ Legal residents of Arizona, Iowa, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, and Washington (the “Excluded States”) are ineligible for prizes offered by the Website. Residents of the Excluded States are eligible to open and maintain accounts on the Website for use only in games that do not offer prizes.”

    Notice that NY isn’t listed here as of now, however, based on today’s ruling I wouldn’t be surprised to see them added and if so crossing into another state to enter a lineup might not be enough to satisfy the terms of use and be eligible for any winnings.

    Fanduel’s terms of use on the other hand seems to be very favorable to NY residents that would want to go into another state to play. The important Language from the terms of use for eligibility requirements is:

    Resident of U.S. or Canada- Check (note nothing about living in a state which prohibits DFS)
    “at the time of deposit or game entry you are physically located in the United States of America or Canada in a jurisdiction in which participation in the contest is not prohibited by applicable law”- so you can be outside of NY and enter according to this

    IMPORTANT PART 2 “when depositing funds or entering a paid contest, you are not physically located in of any of the following states: Arizona, Iowa, New York, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada or Washington.” Again same thing you can not physically be in the prohibited states but residency does not matter

    The Fanduel terms of use specifically note only physical location as being important for the entry of games, but Draftkings is noting that residents of the excluded states are INELIGIBLE for prizes. From my reading of Fanduel there is no similar provision, so if you are a NY resident I’d either play Fanduel only for now if you are in another state or contact Draftkings about this provision in the eligibility requirements of the Terms of Use before risking playing. Although for now again NY isn’t listed in there but I would anticipate that being updated.

  • JaNelson38

    Meanwhile, dozens of underground illegal poker rooms are dealing cards right now in the NYC area. All of which are known to law enforcement, you can bet. But, because of the organized crime $ involved there, its crickets with regards to shutting those down. But DFS though…

    Sorry, folks of NY. Hope your legislators come through with something decent. Keep contacting them.

  • Avgplayer

    We all should be upset with today’s ruling but lets not forget how we got here.

  • alabama9608

    Florida is fine for now! AG Bondi isn’t interested in picking a fight with Ballard (top lobby firm in state) and they have made political contributions to the right people.

  • Mattg45

    @Avgplayer said...

    We all should be upset with today’s ruling but lets not forget how we got here.

    advertisements being shoved down everyone’s throat

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