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  • FrancisBooth

    What a great way to start the weekend…….NOT!

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/12/11/judge-orders-draftkings-shut-down-new-york/p4B99SqAYbaTFzsU2HhZNK/story.html?p1=BGHeader_SmartBar_Breaking

    MOD NOTE: Do not make any post regarding “offshore dfs” or ways to circumvent any blocks put in place. All such posts will be deleted

  • DavidK44

    @kgeorge said...

    You could be right but I think this a horrible move if Schneiderman is seeking higher office. The only reason we even know of the dude is because of something horrible he’s doing to us.

    And for the majority of the population who doesn’t care either way on DFS, he can be the guy who just put a stop to those annoying ads. Or who helped make sure their Uncle Lou with the gambling problem couldn’t blow any more money.

    We (the DFS community) are very, very small potatoes unfortunately.

  • MRCOOKONUTS

    @Nymetsknicks7 said...

    Give them some time. Hasn’t it been 10 minutes only

    Lol. you are right..

  • whothis

    My email changed everything! ;)

  • Nymetsknicks7

    Can someone let us know when they regain access to fd. Still not able too

  • Dmurphy104

    • Blogger of the Month

    I thought FD shut you guys down with the initial ruling? Were you guys able to play until today?

  • Nymetsknicks7

    @Dmurphy104 said...

    I thought FD shut you guys down with the initial ruling? Were you guys able to play until today?

    No we weren’t but doesn’t this ruling mean we can resume playing while the case continues?

  • StevenP

    FantasyHub Site Rep

    @FrancisBooth Quality Lee Corso reference. Excellent timing.

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  • donnybasbl

    @Nymetsknicks7 said...

    No we weren’t but doesn’t this ruling mean we can resume playing while the case continues?

    I wouldn’t think so. FD has been way more conservative than DK, since the beginning of all of this.

    We’ll see though.

  • Nymetsknicks7

    @donnybasbl said...

    I wouldn’t think so. FD has been way more conservative than DK, since the beginning of all of this.

    We’ll see though.

    Yea they were conservative up
    Until the ruling which basically states we can play again. I don’t see why they wouldn’t unlock us now?

  • Dmurphy104

    • Blogger of the Month

    gotcha. I would assume you will be able to play soon.

  • grux

    @buoya20 said...

    Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell 2m2 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Stay granted for DraftKings & FanDuel, Can continue to do businesses in NY as proceedings with AG continues.!!!!!

    Great news. Hopefully the State works with DK & FD on regulating DFS so that everyone is happy.

  • steelcurtain37

  • Putz

    @GordonGecko said...

    @putz Its fairly complicated, whether federal or state law. Technically as a citizen of that state, you enjoy the laws of the state even if you travel to other states. This isn’t like a casino, you are in a physical location, and if you won money there you would probably file a nonresident tax form for those winnings.

    I believe the biggest issue here is that is it online. As you are partaking in a hobby which is known to make a profit you as an individual would most likely file within your state of residency. Now you as an individual would be making profits from illegal gambling, as you couldn’t do a nonresident tax return as you arent really working out of state since you are online.

    Further if you were to go to Nevada and gamble online but are a NY resident they wouldnt allow you to join. Of if you went to colorado to buy legal marijuana, you couldn’t bring that back home.

    Further, it might be the fact that technically by federal law you have to abide by the state laws of the state you reside even while you are in other states.

    The legal hurdles are way to big to figure out loopholes for a DK or FD to serve NY residents. Probably more expensive than lobbying in the state of NY, and risk of federal charges, for the company and the individual

    this is all IMO

    Again, if they (law, AG, etc) say you can’t operate in the state, that is one thing, but if they say residents can’t play, which no law that I know of day, that is different. The sires are saying residents can’t okay, because that is how they enforce it. Laws are usually focused on operators.

  • slashtc

    Happy for the NY crew. Hopefully they come up with a permanent fix soon for you.

  • Putz

    @MRCOOKONUTS said...

    .+++++++++

    No

  • Putz

    @GordonGecko said...

    @putz Its fairly complicated, whether federal or state law. Technically as a citizen of that state, you enjoy the laws of the state even if you travel to other states. This isn’t like a casino, you are in a physical location, and if you won money there you would probably file a nonresident tax form for those winnings.

    I believe the biggest issue here is that is it online. As you are partaking in a hobby which is known to make a profit you as an individual would most likely file within your state of residency. Now you as an individual would be making profits from illegal gambling, as you couldn’t do a nonresident tax return as you arent really working out of state since you are online.

    Further if you were to go to Nevada and gamble online but are a NY resident they wouldnt allow you to join. Of if you went to colorado to buy legal marijuana, you couldn’t bring that back home.

    Further, it might be the fact that technically by federal law you have to abide by the state laws of the state you reside even while you are in other states.

    The legal hurdles are way to big to figure out loopholes for a DK or FD to serve NY residents. Probably more expensive than lobbying in the state of NY, and risk of federal charges, for the company and the individual

    this is all IMO

    As soon as any US resident over 21 cross into NJ you can play their online casinos, unless the NJ disclaimer says otherwise. Also, what state law prohibits residents from gambling online or in person when visiting another state or country? As I previously mentioned, I see several state laws prohibiting the operation of such such places or online within the state.

  • royalfan

    • x2

      2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @stoptheinsanity said...

    Just because you say something doesn’t make it true. The guy gave perfectly reasonable examples to back up his statement. You gave none. And to assume that most DFS players have never played season long is one of the worst assumptions I have read in awhile.

    I never said they have never played season long. Obviously, they are not well versed enough with high stakes fantasy season long spots to understand that it is far more skillful. And you are correct. Just because I say so doesn’t make it true. Facts are what make it true.

  • Putz

    @TeHDruiD said...

    You’re not paying taxes in Casino’s though. If you live in NY, travel 5 miles to NJ and play DFS, everything is going to be traced back to you in NY come tax time, that’s all I’m getting at. I don’t want to see people going to jail/getting fined/whatever else bad can happen because they drove 5 miles to play DFS

    Just trying to be the voice of reason on this, that’s all. You’re all grown ups, you can make your own decisions in your life, but their should be at least someone telling you that it’s risky to do that. Nothing more than that. I’m not trying to pile on or anything

    What NY law prohibits NY residents from gambling in NJ, online or in person?

  • Putz

    @xdan3220 said...

    I think most importantly it is a good time to consult the terms of use for the sites, and specifically right now I’m looking at Fanduel. So for NY players lets take a look about whether they can cross state lines and play:

    Eligibility Requirements (there are more but i’ll just address the applicable ones)

    Resident of U.S. or Canada- Check (note nothing about living in a state which prohibits DFS)

    IMPORTANT ONE: “at the time of deposit or game entry you are physically located in the United States of America or Canada in a jurisdiction in which participation in the contest is not prohibited by applicable law”- so you can be outside of NY and enter according to this

    IMPORTANT PART 2 “when depositing funds or entering a paid contest, you are not physically located in of any of the following states: Arizona, Iowa, New York, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada or Washington.” Again same thing you can not physically be in the prohibited states but residency does not matter

    ++++++++++++++

  • tysim19

    FanDuel opening back up for NY would be much appreciated

  • Nymetsknicks7

    Any fanduel reps on here? Can we please. Open

  • tommykarate

    @TeHDruiD said...

    Thing is any big winnings in the span of DFS being deemed illegal to NY Residents is going to throw up red flags come tax times. The key here is residents. Residents of NY can’t play on DK/FD. You go to NJ to put in lineups, you’re still a resident of NY and those are not allowed to play

    Like I said, I’m not trying to be a jerkoff with this, it’s just so many people are suggesting that that is what they’re going to do, and I’m trying to shed some light about the potential consequences of doing so

    Show me where on fanduels website or in the judges ruling does it state that “residents” of ny cannot play.

    I have not seen that language anywhere.

  • Putz

    @tommykarate said...

    Show me where on fanduels website or in the judges ruling does it state that “residents” of ny cannot play.

    I have not seen that language anywhere.

    Or any states law that prohibits their residents from gambling in other states.

    The sites are killing themselves.

  • DavidK44

    @Putz said...

    What NY law prohibits NY residents from gambling in NJ, online or in person?

    Although I agree with you, the counter would be something along the lines of “In our attempt to make sure no one from New York plays while in New York, we, out of abundance of caution, don’t let any NY residents play no matter where our geo-locator says they are, on the chance they are still in NY and beating our location-tracking software somehow”, when faced with the issue of an “prohibited state” resident trying to play while in a permitted state.

  • Putz

    @DavidK44 said...

    Although I agree with you, the counter would be something along the lines of “In our attempt to make sure no one from New York plays while in New York, we, out of abundance of caution, don’t let any NY residents play no matter where our geo-locator says they are, on the chance they are still in NY and beating our location-tracking software somehow”, when faced with the issue of an “prohibited state” resident trying to play while in a permitted state.

    Put the burden on the player.

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