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  • FrancisBooth

    What a great way to start the weekend…….NOT!

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/12/11/judge-orders-draftkings-shut-down-new-york/p4B99SqAYbaTFzsU2HhZNK/story.html?p1=BGHeader_SmartBar_Breaking

    MOD NOTE: Do not make any post regarding “offshore dfs” or ways to circumvent any blocks put in place. All such posts will be deleted

  • baseballislife93

    so i live in ny if i go into CT can i make the deposit make my lineup and enter them?

    i can just got to ct make the deposit then i can come back and make the lineups

  • tommykarate

    @pool7410 said...

    I don’t think that should matter. They use GPS to track your location and i’m still signing into the same account and using the same credit card. I don’t think it will matter if the app was installed or not or if I use a phone or PC. It’s either going to work or it’s not. F it… i’m probably gonna give it a shot. I think it should work. I’ll report back if I end up going.

    let me know how it goes

  • takeit_ez

    Confirmed, can deposit from another state, go back to NY to enter contests / put in lineups and play.

    I drove from my house to CT (few minutes away) and there was no problems. Did it all using my iphone / F.D app.

  • tommykarate

    im really getting tired of these robotic replies from FD. ive been one of the few from NY who left my money in the past few months and now they cant get my access to work properly. If im able to restore access, they hope i reach out? reach out for what?

    I’m sorry the technical solutions provided were not successful in lifting your restriction. Unfortunately, we are unable to manually lift any geo-restrictions at this time. We certainly apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. One other options, if you haven’t tried it already, is using a different device to see if you can access the site from there.

    If you are able to restore access or if your location changes in the future, we certainly hope you reach out to us at that time. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.

  • pool7410

    @pool7410 said...

    I don’t think that should matter. They use GPS to track your location and i’m still signing into the same account and using the same credit card. I don’t think it will matter if the app was installed or not or if I use a phone or PC. It’s either going to work or it’s not. F it… i’m probably gonna give it a shot. I think it should work. I’ll report back if I end up going.

    UPDATE! I made a successful deposit in New Jersey!! It worked at 41 E Palisade Ave, Englewood, NJ. I needed to restart my iPhone before I was able to deposit. I was getting the ‘restricted location’ error before the restart.

    I probably drove further into Jersey than I needed to. I got off the first exit after the george washington bridge and it didn’t work but it may have worked if I just restarted my iPhone.

  • pool7410

    @tommykarate said...

    im really getting tired of these robotic replies from FD. ive been one of the few from NY who left my money in the past few months and now they cant get my access to work properly. If im able to restore access, they hope i reach out? reach out for what?

    I’m sorry the technical solutions provided were not successful in lifting your restriction. Unfortunately, we are unable to manually lift any geo-restrictions at this time. We certainly apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. One other options, if you haven’t tried it already, is using a different device to see if you can access the site from there.

    If you are able to restore access or if your location changes in the future, we certainly hope you reach out to us at that time. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.

    Which browser are you using? Try using google chrome if you’re not using that. If you are already using google chrome make sure you delete your cached images and files along with the cookies

  • tommykarate

    @pool7410 said...

    Which browser are you using? Try using google chrome if you’re not using that. If you are already using google chrome make sure you delete your cached images and files along with the cookies

    sending PM

  • MRCOOKONUTS

    Give a friend or family member from another state your credit card info and FD login info.Someone you completely trust of course.Have them deposit funds for you.Thats an ez get around without having to travel out of state.Not the greatest option but an option none the less..

  • TPSC

    @mellofellowsu said...

    “The balancing of the equities are in favor of the NYAG and the State of New York due to their interest in protecting the public, particularly those with gambling addictions,” Mendez wrote

    This is so ignorant and makes me extremely suspicious of if Mendez had incentive to rule a certain way.

    If you want to say you ruled to block DFS because the letter of the law defines it as gambling, then fine. That’s all he had to say. But don’t hide behind some pretense that you’re protecting gambling addicts, acting as if your intentions are noble. That demonstrates either a complete misunderstanding of what addiction is, or that you believe the public is stupid enough to buy what you’re selling.

    You aren’t going to ever stop a gambling addict from going broke if his addiction is severe.

    Frustrating mostly because you, like 9 out of 10 people posting here, have no idea what the law is, nor what the judge is being asked to do in this hearing. The state’s compelling interest is in protecting against this societal harm. That was their argument. This is a legitimate state interest. This is what the judge is saying.

    And if you didn’t want DFS to get accused of targeting people with gambling addiction, then you should talk to DFS about its search engine optimization tactics and its marketing, some of which is designed to target refugee gambling addicts who have been lost at sea since the poker sites went underground and Bodog stopped being so easy to deposit to.

  • pool7410

    @TPSC said...

    The state’s compelling interest is in protecting against this societal harm. That was their argument. This is a legitimate state interest. This is what the judge is saying.

    In a state where I can bet $50,000 on a horse race on my phone without a problem, spend thousands tonight on lottery tickets, scratch-off tickets, or even drive to one of the many video gaming casinos in less than 1 hour can you really honestly say that DFS will cause so much societal harm that is needs to be shut down?

  • TPSC

    @FargoBison said...

    Yeah, if people have a gambling addiction they are going to gamble unless they get help. Banning this isn’t going stop anything, they’ll just move onto something else. The problem is that some of those things either line the state’s pockets or in the case of casino’s the pockets of crooked politicians.

    I believe the argument from the state is that because the lottery, horse racing, etc. are all regulated heavily by the state, the state has a better ability to identify and provide treatment for addiction. Those activities also include an in-person component, which allows for better identification of problem gamblers.

    This has always been one of the knocks on online gambling v. in-person gambling.

    Your mileage may vary with this argument. I think if they were truly interested in stopping addiction, they’d ban all gambling. But that’s the argument.

  • pool7410

    @TPSC said...

    I believe the argument from the state is that because the lottery, horse racing, etc. are all regulated heavily by the state, the state has a better ability to identify and provide treatment for addiction. Those activities also include an in-person component, which allows for better identification of problem gamblers.

    This has always been one of the knocks on online gambling v. in-person gambling.

    Your mileage may vary with this argument. I think if they were truly interested in stopping addiction, they’d ban all gambling. But that’s the argument.

    .

  • TPSC

    @pool7410 said...

    In a state where I can bet $50,000 on a horse race on my phone without a problem, spend thousands tonight on lottery tickets, scratch-off tickets, or even drive to one of the many video gaming casinos in less than 1 hour can you really honestly say that DFS will cause so much societal harm that is needs to be shut down?

    I think the merits of the state’s claim are somewhat dubious. But that’s not what’s being asked in an injunction hearing. The state is arguing that it needed an immediate shutdown to prevent some harm. The judge was just citing the legitimacy of this harm. That wasn’t the only harm the state cited. The posted above was scolding the judge for using this argument to “hide behind some pretense.” I believe the posted misunderstood the judge’s job in this instance.

    As the law currently is, I still think the state’s case is a winner when someone rules on the merits. Big question is how the legislature responds to it. There’s no reason DFS should be illegal in a state like New York, where lots of different forms of gambling are legal. But I don’t think there’s much question that it is currently illegal under existing law. Existing law can be cured, however.

    DFS would have been smart to spend its money on lobbying and legislative activism versus its reactive strategy of hiring high-powered appellate law firms to fight for a narrow interpretation of law in the courts.

  • pool7410

    @TPSC said...

    I think the merits of the state’s claim are somewhat dubious. But that’s not what’s being asked in an injunction hearing. The state is arguing that it needed an immediate shutdown to prevent some harm. The judge was just citing the legitimacy of this harm. That wasn’t the only harm the state cited. The posted above was scolding the judge for using this argument to “hide behind some pretense.” I believe the posted misunderstood the judge’s job in this instance.

    As the law currently is, I still think the state’s case is a winner when someone rules on the merits. Big question is how the legislature responds to it. There’s no reason DFS should be illegal in a state like New York, where lots of different forms of gambling are legal. But I don’t think there’s much question that it is currently illegal under existing law. Existing law can be cured, however.

    DFS would have been smart to spend its money on lobbying and legislative activism versus its reactive strategy of hiring high-powered appellate law firms to fight for a narrow interpretation of law in the courts.

    .

  • tommykarate

    @pool7410 said...

    Which browser are you using? Try using google chrome if you’re not using that. If you are already using google chrome make sure you delete your cached images and files along with the cookies

    Thanks for these tips…..in case anyone else is having the same issue:

    1) Hold the control button and then press H
    2) click on clear browsing data
    3) where it says “Obliterate the following items from:” change it to “from the beginning of time”
    4)make sure “browsing history”, download history, cookies and other site data plugin data, and cached images and files are all clicked. Then click on clear browsing data
    4) close google chrome
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  • mnappi228

    found this article from the NY Post mentions NYRA chairmans donation to Schneiderman and others…
    http://nypost.com/2015/12/14/tainted-donations-given-to-cuomo-schneiderman-de-blasio/

    Government witness Anthony Bonomo — who took leave as chairman of the New York Racing Association following Skelos’ May arrest — has made 61 donations for a total of $265,000.

    That money includes more than $66,000 give to Cuomo, $37,500 to DiNapoli and more than $25,000 to Schneiderman.

  • FrancisBooth

    @mnappi228 said...

    found this article from the NY Post mentions NYRA chairmans donation to Schneiderman and others…
    http://nypost.com/2015/12/14/tainted-donations-given-to-cuomo-schneiderman-de-blasio/

    Government witness Anthony Bonomo — who took leave as chairman of the New York Racing Association following Skelos’ May arrest — has made 61 donations for a total of $265,000.

    That money includes more than $66,000 give to Cuomo, $37,500 to DiNapoli and more than $25,000 to Schneiderman.

    Shocking…..

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @FrancisBooth said...

    Shocking…..

    Bbbbbuutttt, AG Schneiderman is a white hat man trying to protect us from ourselves. Blowing thousands at Aqueduct or “I love New York” lottery tickets is a ok.

    Took a cab from DFSPC to 34th St Sunday after the conference only to hear that nauseating “I LOVE NEW YORK” lottery commercial the entire cab ride. I was about to yell to my wife “So you think this is OK but not DFS”?

  • bigloser11

    @FrancisBooth said...

    That money includes more than $66,000 give to Cuomo, $37,500 to DiNapoli and more than $25,000 to Schneiderman.

    Bob Dylan from the 1960s—money doesn’t talk, it swears..jm

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