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  • FrancisBooth

    What a great way to start the weekend…….NOT!

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/12/11/judge-orders-draftkings-shut-down-new-york/p4B99SqAYbaTFzsU2HhZNK/story.html?p1=BGHeader_SmartBar_Breaking

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  • lbacker52

    “Interpreted “ is the magic word.Thereis no difference logically !

  • bzsports4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PK-netuhHA&feature=youtu.be

    So if i buy lotto tickets and wait 3 months to scratch them, it isn’t gambling anymore, right?

  • thedude404

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    @grux said...

    So you can pay high entry fees to play season long fantasy but can’t for daily fantasy? This seems very hypocritical. DK and FD should appeal and send this to a higher court. At the very least, cash prizes should be eliminated from season long fantasy leagues.

    this was an injunction, not a determination.

  • tprokopenko

    @cAUmberlandtiger8 said...

    A govt run DFS site will never last. DFS players as a whole are educated and more sophisticated than people who play the lottery (and I dont mean buying $10 worth of powerball tickets once a month). The lottery is a tax on the poor. If this is their primary goal, it will never work.

    Sure it would. There are enough degenerate gamblers that would play DFS regardless of how high the rake gets.

  • qutgnt25

    If Schneiderman is going to take down DFS he better be ready to take down season long too as I do not see how any judge can rule against DFS but for season long. If I am fanduel and DK and if this injunction holds up I demand that season long be shut down too as we question the legality of that. Then see the uproar. How Schneiderman thinks he can have one and not the other shows what a pompous hypocrite he is. Imagine the uproar if as we come to season long playoffs sites like yahoo and espn have to be shut down for their season long leagues.

  • aka_the_goat

    @liwvu13 said...

    The problem is regardless of how other states rule, Fanduel and Draftkings can’t survive without NY. They’re already in the hole and have been spending money based on future expectations of earnings. Now that future revenue wont exist, so they won’t be able to pay their bills…

    I don’t buy this one bit. The DFS industry has grown around 700% each of the last several years. With your logic they could have never existed. Will there be some cut backs? Probably. Is it a death blow if other states didn’t follow? Absolutely not. Do some research.

  • cAUmberlandtiger8

    @qutgnt25 said...

    If Schneiderman is going to take down DFS he better be ready to take down season long too as I do not see how any judge can rule against DFS but for season long. If I am fanduel and DK and if this injunction holds up I demand that season long be shut down too as we question the legality of that. Then see the uproar. How Schneiderman thinks he can have one and not the other shows what a pompous hypocrite he is. Imagine the uproar if as we come to season long playoffs sites like yahoo and espn have to be shut down for their season long leagues.

    This is part of DK and FD plan. We saw a glimpse of it during the hearing two weeks ago.

  • JackLotte

    @grux said...

    So you can pay high entry fees to play season long fantasy but can’t for daily fantasy? This seems very hypocritical. DK and FD should appeal and send this to a higher court. At the very least, cash prizes should be eliminated from season long fantasy leagues.

    Technically season long can be played for free (even though almost noone does) and money can be exchanged behind closed doors for lack of a better term. Nobody is going to play dfs for free.

  • grux

    @thedude404 said...

    this was an injunction, not a determination.

    Thank you. Lets hope this is temporary and DFS remains legal.

  • Riggins33

    @aka_the_goat said...

    The word gambling is relative. I could make an argument that almost anything is gambling, certainly anything transactional. I think what is more important is whether or not you think it’s a game of skill or chance. And to me, that isn’t even a question. All one needs to do is look at data to discover that skill is critical to long term success in DFS, even DB Schneiderbag admits 1% of the players are winning all the money.

    Yeah I agree. To me there is no question that there is an element of gambling to DFS but there is also no doubt that there is an element of skill as well. DFS is a form of gambling that has a more significant element of skill than most other forms. Think about it, even playing blackjack, roulette, other table games there is an element of skill where you can gain a slight edge, albeit very slight in some. DFS is a form of gambling where you can gain a more significant edge through superior skill, but it is not purely a game of skill with no chance/gambling element involved.

  • mellofellowsu

    @bookersnookers said...

    If you think other States are not going to follow you are pretty naive

    I wouldn’t say it’s a foregone conclusion either way.

  • Riggins33

    @markaw4 said...

    I wonder if things will change when the IRS gets a record amount of tax revenue from Form W2Gs this coming tax season. I would imagine with the high amount of revenue DFS businesses are pulling in that the IRS will see more Form W2Gs than ever before. Trying to stay optimistic here in Texas for my New York DFS brothers and sisters.

    Unfortunately, it’s probably not even going to move the needle

  • grux

    @qutgnt25 said...

    If Schneiderman is going to take down DFS he better be ready to take down season long too as I do not see how any judge can rule against DFS but for season long. If I am fanduel and DK and if this injunction holds up I demand that season long be shut down too as we question the legality of that. Then see the uproar. How Schneiderman thinks he can have one and not the other shows what a pompous hypocrite he is. Imagine the uproar if as we come to season long playoffs sites like yahoo and espn have to be shut down for their season long leagues.

    I agree 100%. We need season long players to start feeling some pain and bring the fight to our local governments.

  • aka_the_goat

    @cAUmberlandtiger8 said...

    I do not see how any judge can rule against DFS but for season long

    Technically the judge didn’t rule against DFS he ruled against FD and DK specifically. He also didn’t rule “for” season long. Saying something can’t be illegal because something similar still is legal is simply not a sound courtroom strategy. All Schneiderbag would have to do is argue they are two separate cases and season long is next on his agenda, which of course he will never get around to, and that argument is pretty much off the table.

  • JackLotte

    @aka_the_goat said...

    I don’t buy this one bit. The DFS industry has grown around 700% each of the last several years. With your logic they could have never existed. Will there be some cut backs? Probably. Is it a death blow if other states didn’t follow? Absolutely not. Do some research.

    I believe when the numbers came out both sites said that NY was about 10-15% of their consumer market, but I could be mistaken. Not a death blow, but definitely a cut at the knees. With that said, a ruling hasnt been made yet and even so I think it will eventually become regulated across the nation.

  • nixhound

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    @tommykarate said...

    It has nothing to do with residents.
    It’s about the state you’re in when you deposit and enter contests.

    If I drive to nj today I can enter a game.

    I would think logically that would be the case. One state’s laws cannot superseded another’s (per the constitution) when you are within said state’s jurisdiction. Here is a crude example but I think it drive the point home. You can go to Nevada and go to a legal brothel. In many states it is illegal but you can still participate in Nevada and your home state has no say it what happens. The DFS sites might enforce it differently due to technological restrictions etc., but from a legalistic perspective you would be technically permitted to play in states where it is legal (as long as you are within its borders, playing according to their laws).

  • km19shel

    @maxeernst said...

    Technically they can run for 30 days. But they may shut down to show good faith. Unclear.

    Legislature will take forever but regulation should come eventually.

    We are getting screwed though :(

    FD will probably remain closed for NY residents. With DK pushing the envelope during the hearing process, you would think they would still continue to allow NY play for the next 30 days.

  • tommykarate

    @maxeernst said...

    You are wrong.

    It is about residency.

    “The judge ordered to stop taking entries from that state”.

    Fanduels policies clearly state that you cannot deposit or enter games while in ny.

  • Mattg45

    So are sites like yahoo, and fantasy aces still ok?

  • priceisrite

    I expect this to get reversed in court. . Either that or they have to take down season long as well. No other option really makes sense. . Gambling or not, it doesn’t matter.. It all comes down to if the state can get their cut. Hell I can play Keno and Scratch Off tickets online in my state bc the state gets their cut. . If online poker would have cut the states in on profits they would have been able to continue operating.

  • liwvu13

    @aka_the_goat said...

    I don’t but this one bit. The DFS industry has grown around 700% each of the last several years. With your logic they could have never existed. Will there be some cut backs? Probably. Is it a death blow if other states didn’t follow? Absolutely not. Do some research.

    When you add up all of the owed money for advertising, lawyers, civil lawsuits etc I don’t think Draftkings or Fanduel will be able maintain enough revenue to cover all of their costs. Actually the smaller DFS companies could actually have a huge advantage in this situation. DFS will still exist, but it will be very difficult for Draftkings or Fanduel to still operate.

  • mellofellowsu

    @Monix111 said...

    Wow so many of you still in denial. Now that one court has ruled this way, expect more state AG’s to make similar challenges knowing a court has ruled their way in another jurisdiction already

    Yes because we all know every state has the exact same laws.

  • wideopen23

    @priceisrite said...

    I expect this to get reversed in court. . Either that or they have to take down season long as well. No other option really makes sense. . Gambling or not, it doesn’t matter.. It all comes down to if the state can get their cut. Hell I can play Keno and Scratch Off tickets online in my state bc the state gets their cut. . If online poker would have cut the states in on profits they would have been able to continue operating.

    I wouldn’t expect this to get reversed. It MAY get reversed, but just because 10 other people were speeding and weren’t given a ticket, doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay your ticket. That isn’t how the law works.
    With that said, if Schneiderman decided to go after season long fantasy the EXACT same arguments would apply and the same Judge would be forced to shut it down.

  • Mattg45

    @tommykarate said...

    “The judge ordered to stop taking entries from that state”.

    Fanduels policies clearly state that you can deposit or enter games while in ny.

    Yea, on the fanduel news room they go over that, frequently asked questions for new York residents. From what it says it still looks like you can play if you are physically outside of the state. I don’t see why you couldn’t

  • cAUmberlandtiger8

    @aka_the_goat said...

    Technically the judge didn’t rule against DFS he ruled against FD and DK specifically. He also didn’t rule “for” season long. Saying something can’t be illegal because something similar still is legal is simply not a sound courtroom strategy. All Schneiderbag would have to do is argue they are two separate cases and season long is next on his agenda, which of course he will never get around to, and that argument is pretty much off the table.

    Should have clarified my post. I was speculating about the final determination later on down the road. I dont believe a judge will be able to find a distinction between the two (other than if people dont pay an entry fee in season long).

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