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  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    We’d like to formally announce the following DFS scoring changes we have made for the 2019 NHL season, as well as the addition of Showdown Captain Mode:

    We are implementing these scoring changes in response to community & user feedback sourced over the course of a year-long-plus research process in an effort to grow NHL DFS. Though we heard a wide range of user feedback, they all followed the same theme: NHL scoring needed more excitement. We believe these changes accomplish the intent without compromising the nature of our existing NHL DFS product.

    Our survey results also showed nearly 75% of users wanted a Captain spot in Showdown Mode. The addition of Showdown Captain Mode is in alignment with our other DFS sport offerings, it has been proven to grow different sports across DFS & data has shown it to be a catalyst for the growth of Showdown.

    Showdown Captain Mode is especially effective in bringing new users into a sport. Bringing more new users into NHL DFS will help us to offer larger GPPs as the sport grows, a clear benefit to everyone in our user base.

    Another data supported effort we’ve implemented to increase scoring are Bonuses. We carefully sorted through options for Bonuses to reward great performances, while avoiding a resulting scenario where Bonuses would be the primary source of scoring. Based on the data sourced from last season, we are confident in the scoring proportion of this mix.

    The change to goalie scoring with the addition of 2 FPTS for an Overtime Loss falls in alignment with NHL goalie statistics having not two, but three potential game results (W-L-OT), with each of the three being scored differently (6FPTS -0FPTS-2PTS in DFS scoring, 2PTS-0PTS-1PT in NHL standings). In Classic Mode, a win was previously valued as 15 additional saves, whereas now the number is closer to 9 additional saves.

    DFS innovation, whether it’s increased scoring or Captain Showdown Mode, has been effective in growing other sports we offer. The data we gathered through community sentiment, our Voice of the Player committee, user interviews, and numerous user surveys supported innovative solutions to enhance the sweat of NHL DFS. Increased scoring has been proven to grow games and growing the game will support the larger GPPs we intend to offer.

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • hautalak

    @breadispain said...

    Right now it seems like a mix of positive and negative changes, but at least you’re trying something new.

    Looks like you’ve been doing just fine as I’ve been seeing your name in a lot of places lol

    But it hasn’t been as bad as I thought so far. There are some outliers (I played Ferraro and he got 9 blocks!) for the good and bad. One other thing I will say is a 0 kills you more now than ever! DeBrincat showed us that the other night. I guess we’ll see in the season but I could see it helping and hurting so maybe it’s a wash. All depends on what side of the bonus you fall on.

  • Jenesaisblah

    @hautalak said...

    Looks like you’ve been doing just fine as I’ve been seeing your name in a lot of places lol

    But it hasn’t been as bad as I thought so far. There are some outliers (I played Ferraro and he got 9 blocks!) for the good and bad. One other thing I will say is a 0 kills you more now than ever! DeBrincat showed us that the other night. I guess we’ll see in the season but I could see it helping and hurting so maybe it’s a wash. All depends on what side of the bonus you fall on.

    That is indeed the big takeaway so far. If you get a zero, you will be boned whereas before I could have two zeroes in a single lineup and at least min cash.

  • Jenesaisblah

    I still think the shot block bonus should be 5. These bonuses should be difficult to get. 3 blocked shots isnt as difficult as 5.
    When the season starts those 3 shot block bonuses will be flying left and right. That’s just lame. I’m not impressed by 3 blocked shots. Not bonus worthy.

  • kantiger77

    It’ll take some getting used to. Used to be a point range of 40-60 could win you a contest, now it’s going to be ridiculously higher. ..will be interesting to see where the cash lines fall

  • TenHi

    I don’t think there should be bonuses on shots and blocks. It is so arbitrary to say that a 5 shot night is equivalent to a 300 yard passing game. 3 point nights are meaningful and that bonus is okay. But the biggest reason is that NHL DFS has more late stat changes than any other sport. Blocks and shots get recalculated 30 minutes after the game ends. The entire contest could be flipped upside-down with the addition of a 3rd block 30 minutes after someone thought they won the contest. The real sweat should be while the games are being played, not waiting for the payout.

  • jjwd

    good point^

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    I would have liked to see hits and takeaways in there also added in for 1 point apiece. The physical aspect of the game gets overlooked I think, and while I’m glad PIM are not counted anymore, clean hits would be a viable replacement for that physical part that’s missing.

    Your feedback is appreciated. These categories and more were evaluated during the planning stages of NHL scoring revisions, ultimately we decided to not proceed. The reasons were due to inconsistent stat provider scoring & lack of user interest based on survey results.

    Right now it seems like a mix of positive and negative changes, but at least you’re trying something new.
    bq. But it hasn’t been as bad as I thought so far. There are some outliers (I played Ferraro and he got 9 blocks!) for the good and bad.

    Our intent is to change the game for the better. If we’re not moving forward, we’re falling behind!

    That is indeed the big takeaway so far. If you get a zero, you will be boned whereas before I could have two zeroes in a single lineup and at least min cash.
    bq. Used to be a point range of 40-60 could win you a contest, now it’s going to be ridiculously higher.

    Our extensive user research revealed an appetite for more points. As a result, we designed this new scoring system to intentionally elevate the cash line for NHL. Increased scoring has been an effective way to grow other sports in DFS, we expect similar promising results for NHL this season!

    I don’t think there should be bonuses on shots and blocks.
    good point^

    The intent of every change made is to grow NHL DFS. These changes were made in support of the data collected during the player research/survey process we followed. We anticipate the increased scoring & bonus options to help us accomplish this goal we set out – by the end of the season we think most players will agree.

    Make it Reign!

    - DraftKings community Team

  • jjwd

    … and the scoring adjustment time window is?

  • marker0357

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    We know you’re all eager to play with the updated scoring system and we want to give you every chance to do so before the start of the regular season. In support of your ongoing support of NHL DFS, we will be running contests throughout the NHL preseason with either no rake or guaranteed overlay. Be sure to check out the NHL lobby here: https://www.draftkings.com/lobby#/NHL

    Make it Reign!

    - DraftKings Community Team

    well played DK

  • Wonger2

    Thx

  • Jenesaisblah

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    I would have liked to see hits and takeaways in there also added in for 1 point apiece. The physical aspect of the game gets overlooked I think, and while I’m glad PIM are not counted anymore, clean hits would be a viable replacement for that physical part that’s missing.

    Your feedback is appreciated. These categories and more were evaluated during the planning stages of NHL scoring revisions, ultimately we decided to not proceed. The reasons were due to inconsistent stat provider scoring & lack of user interest based on survey results.

    Right now it seems like a mix of positive and negative changes, but at least you’re trying something new.
    bq. But it hasn’t been as bad as I thought so far. There are some outliers (I played Ferraro and he got 9 blocks!) for the good and bad.

    Our intent is to change the game for the better. If we’re not moving forward, we’re falling behind!

    That is indeed the big takeaway so far. If you get a zero, you will be boned whereas before I could have two zeroes in a single lineup and at least min cash.
    bq. Used to be a point range of 40-60 could win you a contest, now it’s going to be ridiculously higher.

    Our extensive user research revealed an appetite for more points. As a result, we designed this new scoring system to intentionally elevate the cash line for NHL. Increased scoring has been an effective way to grow other sports in DFS, we expect similar promising results for NHL this season!

    I don’t think there should be bonuses on shots and blocks.
    good point^

    The intent of every change made is to grow NHL DFS. These changes were made in support of the data collected during the player research/survey process we followed. We anticipate the increased scoring & bonus options to help us accomplish this goal we set out – by the end of the season we think most players will agree.

    Make it Reign!

    - DraftKings community Team

    I think we all know you cherry picked the people you wanted to, to ask what you could do to make the game better for them. You didnt ask anyone at random. There are at least two touts who said you came directly to them to ask what could be done. You made the their changes.

  • steelcitydozer

    So play Ovechkin with Brent burns stacks every day in cash is what you’re saying

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    … and the scoring adjustment time window is?

    To clarify, are you referencing the scoring adjustment time window following the conclusion of any specific contest?

    well played DK

    We understand that change requires adjustment & want to ensure our users have the opportunity to do so before the start of the NHL regular season!

    Thx

    You’re very welcome!

    I think we all know you cherry picked the people you wanted to, to ask what you could do to make the game better for them. You didnt ask anyone at random. There are at least two touts who said you came directly to them to ask what could be done. You made the their changes.

    The scoring changes were made in support of the data collected from surveying over 350 users. Unless all of these users shared the same opinions (which they didn’t), we wouldn’t consider this to be cherry picking.

    So play Ovechkin with Brent burns stacks every day in cash is what you’re saying

    Strategy is at the discretion of the user. However, we will continue to price higher scoring players like Burns and Ovechkin among the top of their positions.

    Make it Reign!

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • Jenesaisblah

    Can you please come in here and explain why a goalie who loses in a shootout also gets the 4 pt shutout bonus when the goalie lost the game? If the nhl does not credit the goalie for a shutout why the hell would DK?

    Is the 2 pt losing bonus not good enough? ffs.

  • SA16

    @Jenesaisblah said...

    Can you please come in here and explain why a goalie who loses in a shootout also gets the 4 pt shutout bonus when the goalie lost the game? If the nhl does not credit the goalie for a shutout why the hell would DK?

    Is the 2 pt losing bonus not good enough? ffs.

    Just a thought but it might be because the NHL does actually credit the goalie with a shutout.

    http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rules/2018-2019-NHL-rulebook.pdf

  • Jenesaisblah

    @SA16 said...

    Just a thought but it might be because the NHL does actually credit the goalie with a shutout.

    http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rules/2018-2019-NHL-rulebook.pdf

    I guess you’re right and I’m wrong. It rarely happens but it happened tonight.

  • SkateFiend

    Does this give players more incentive to stack a team? I’m a hockey newbie and I generally follow the advice of stacking the wing players from the same team. Lots of time I just stack 4 skaters from the same team.

    If I stack a team and got 3 out of 4 goals and 3 assists, that totals 40.5 points. If I paired that with the team’s winning goalie that would be a huge output and whoever stacked a team that scored only two goals would fall out faster because goals and assists are worth WAY more than SOGs and blocked shots now.

    At the top of my head, I would have to value players who score a lot and assist in scoring at DK. Defensemen who can score goals would be super expensive, because most defensemen score like 5-7 goals a season. But I could be wrong.

  • Zieg30

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    Our intent is to change the game for the better. If we’re not moving forward, we’re falling behind!

    Change for change’s sake does not make the game better. Implementing changes also does not necessarily mean you are “moving forward”.

    If people wanted more points, you should have just increased points for everything. Instead, you have fundamentally changed your scoring to increase the impact that luck and arbitrary stats play on any given slate.

    In prior years, it was already problematic that one block or one shot could mean a huge swing in payout, but now that problem is accentuated.

    The difference between a player getting 2 blocks and 3 blocks isn’t meaningful in the game, nor is it something you can truly strategize for in planning ones’ team (aside from just picking players who tend to get more blocks), as it is somewhat random, and yet now it has a meaningful impact.

    A player who got a hattrick last season still benefited hugely from the scoring and meant that teams using that player did well, and that should be the result, but now the impact of a hattrick is magnified even more. The bonus stacking renders the slate meaningless if you don’t have that player.

    The product is not better. DK has not moved its NHL product forward. It is worse and far more arbitrary/luck-based.

    Again, if the research indicated that players wanted more points, then DK could have just increased the points for everything. Adding these bonuses was a mistake.

    Now I have to choose between a site whose NHL tournaments tend to be smaller and and whose site is painful to follow live (FD), but which has far superior scoring, and a site with better NHL tournament options and solid trackability, but with truly painfully arbitrary scoring.

  • Jenesaisblah

    @SkateFiend said...

    Does this give players more incentive to stack a team? I’m a hockey newbie and I generally follow the advice of stacking the wing players from the same team. Lots of time I just stack 4 skaters from the same team.

    If I stack a team and got 3 out of 4 goals and 3 assists, that totals 40.5 points. If I paired that with the team’s winning goalie that would be a huge output and whoever stacked a team that scored only two goals would fall out faster because goals and assists are worth WAY more than SOGs and blocked shots now.

    At the top of my head, I would have to value players who score a lot and assist in scoring at DK. Defensemen who can score goals would be super expensive, because most defensemen score like 5-7 goals a season. But I could be wrong.

    Well as for d men currently there’s many d men in the 5000 range like elder and klefbom and schmidt whom are severely underpriced. They shoot alot and block shots and get assists. Use them now when they’re cheap because they’ll be in the 6000 range after about a week

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    Can you please come in here and explain why a goalie who loses in a shootout also gets the 4 pt shutout bonus when the goalie lost the game? If the nhl does not credit the goalie for a shutout why the hell would DK?
    Just a thought but it might be because the NHL does actually credit the goalie with a shutout.
    http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/rules/2018-2019-NHL-rulebook.pdf

    SA16 has you covered. The goalie is not charged with the extra goal against in a shootout just as the skater isn’t credited for goals scored during the shootout.

    Does this give players more incentive to stack a team? I’m a hockey newbie and I generally follow the advice of stacking the wing players from the same team. Lots of time I just stack 4 skaters from the same team.

    We say time & time again, our intent is to grow DFS & this cannot be accomplished without innovating. Our research & data shows that a stale DFS product is a failing DFS product. If we aren’t changing the game we aren’t doing our job.

    With that, it’s expected for strategies to change with the game itself. DFS is a game of skill & skills develop/evolve over time. We expect our users to evolve their skills & strategies in response to the new NHL DFS scoring system.

    What will be the popular strategies for this new scoring system? That’s up to the players to apply & discover themselves.

    The product is not better. DK has not moved its NHL product forward. It is worse and far more arbitrary/luck-based.
    Again, if the research indicated that players wanted more points, then DK could have just increased the points for everything. Adding these bonuses was a mistake.

    We will monitor & evaluate the impact of these scoring changes over the course of the season. At the season’s close, we’ll review the top to bottom performance of this new scoring system, evaluating opportunities to further innovate or adjust.

    Given that the NHL regular season has yet to start, we think it’s just a bit too early to consider this new scoring system a mistake.

    Well as for d men currently there’s many d men in the 5000 range like elder and klefbom and schmidt whom are severely underpriced. They shoot alot and block shots and get assists. Use them now when they’re cheap because they’ll be in the 6000 range after about a week

    Keep in mind, this is only the 1st regular season slate of the NHL season. As is the case with any sport, pricing will change drastically over the course of the year.

    Make it Reign!

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • fantasybender

    I think a few players are missing their retroactive bonuses. I.e. Nikita Zaitsev – 4/04. Had 3 blocks and scored 3.9 pts.

    Not that big of a deal as I have his actual proj somewhere but please get that corrected for 2019 games.

    EDIT: my bad, they are all missing their bonuses? Just checked a couture game 5/15 and wrong again

  • Zieg30

    Lifted this from Steverino’s post in the NHL thread from tonight, but this is a clear indication that the scoring is broken:

    Andersen 3 GA and Win – 11.6 points
    Anderson 5 GA Loss – 11.4 points

    This has to change.

  • SA16

    One guy saw 16 more shots than the other….even in the old format that would have only been like a 2 point difference. Just adjust the new scoring into your thought process it’s not that complicated.

  • Zieg30

    @SA16 said...

    One guy saw 16 more shots than the other….even in the old format that would have only been like a 2 point difference. Just adjust the new scoring into your thought process it’s not that complicated.

    Even if your estimate is accurate, 2 points in the old system equates to roughly 5 points in the new system (and was a meaningful difference when most winning goalies got between 5-8 points), so thanks for proving the point.

    Your condescending final comment wasn’t event somewhat responsive to my post. I am not criticizing the new system because I find it difficult to parse. You’re correct, it’s not that complicated. I am criticizing it because it makes the game less enjoyable.

  • SA16

    @Zieg30 said...

    Even if your estimate is accurate, 2 points in the old system equates to roughly 5 points in the new system (and was a meaningful difference when most winning goalies got between 5-8 points), so thanks for proving the point.

    Your condescending final comment wasn’t event somewhat responsive to my post. I am not criticizing the new system because I find it difficult to parse. You’re correct, it’s not that complicated. I am criticizing it because it makes the game less enjoyable.

    How does it make it less enjoyable to not have the goalies performance absolutely massively dependent on whether or not his teams skaters score goals? 60% of an average goalie score used to be determined by whether or not players that he has nothing to do with played well. This is a far better system as the play isn’t as simple as just play the goalie on the biggest favorite who is also an adequate price. Now there is actual thought involved and you can also do well if his team doesn’t show up to play.

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