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  • FatalError

    DraftKings Rep

    Over the last few weeks there has been a great deal of discussion regarding the methods by which players can enter and manage 100’s of lineups on DraftKings as well as interest in what customers can do to reduce the time commitment necessary to do so. As you all know our policy until now has been to disallow automated access or scripting on the site in all cases. After a long internal discussion we have made the decision to change our terms to allow our customers to use scripts to automate a short list of time consuming behaviors on the site.

    The permitted behaviors are:

    - Creating a contest

    - Creating a lineup

    - Editing a lineup

    - Entering a guaranteed contest

    - Withdrawing from a contest

    There is no other scripted or automated behavior that will be tolerated and we will be monitoring for any behavior that violates our terms. There will be no warnings for violations and the penalty for such a violation will be at the sole discretion of DraftKings.

    We appreciate your patience as we’ve worked to solidify a reasonable and enforceable set of rules as DFS and the size of contests has grown. We hope this will provide clarity for those looking to save some time on a day to day basis while playing on DraftKings.

    For more information on this update please visit our terms and conditions page for full language regarding access and of course feel free to email us at support@draftkings.com with any questions you have related to this change.

  • Priptonite

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Cal said...

    I think the same for posts that suggest these decisions are nothing more than a nod to high volume players without considering the full picture.

    I mean… did Dan not more or less say this in his podcast this morning? He didn’t say they’re catering to the high volume players, but he did say that he thinks the sites’ motives in this are bigger prize pools, more money, etc, and that they aren’t considering the big picture.

  • DFSviz

    @sonicattack said...

    Though probably best to not make death threats or use violent imagery in the protesting done – which was done on Reddit. The female CEO just resigned after those issues, rape threats, and more made against her.

    this clearly isn’t what i was proposing

  • blackcloud420

    @Cal said...

    I think the same for posts that suggest these decisions are nothing more than a nod to high volume players without considering the full picture.

    “ We appreciate your patience as we’ve worked to solidify a reasonable and enforceable set of rules as DFS and the size of contests has grown. We hope this will provide clarity for those looking to save some time on a day to day basis while playing on DraftKings. “

    What does this mean?

  • sonicattack

    @DFSviz said...

    this clearly isn’t what i was proposing

    Of course it isn’t.

    The point is that people are going to be very loud when arguing for what they want or don’t want. So keep in mind that for those who boycott, there will be others as loud if not louder who argue the other way.

    Reddit may not be the best example because of how degenerative things became. That’s all I’m saying.

  • blackcloud420

    Hey Bob,

    I understand it is tedious and difficult to enter many lineups with little time to go, but we do not allow scripts on the site as it may disrupt the site and you would risk being restricted from DraftKings as consequence. Further, you are correct, it is one person per account and you cannot have multiple people entering lineups for you or operating your account.

    I know this is not ideal but I would suggest inputting the projected starters as you can normally figure out the likely lineup. You can then start entering your lineups at the beginning of the day and then when lineups release, you can make adjustments as necessary.

    Customer Experience Associate
    DraftKings Inc

    mod edit – name removed

  • DFSviz

    @sonicattack said...

    Of course it isn’t.

    The point is that people are going to be very loud when arguing for what they want or don’t want. So keep in mind that for those who boycott, there will be others as loud if not louder who argue the other way.

    Reddit may not be the best example because of how degenerative things became. That’s all I’m saying.

    I was thinking more along the lines of:

    - start and sign a petition

    - contact a site like victiv and see if they will double their tournies for a week so we can both boycott play on these sites and still play DFS (also, victiv spoke out against scripts, we should give them our business anyways)

  • btwice80

    @ComicFx said...

    DFS is not considered gambling by US Govt;

    I would say it’s more considered an exempted form of gambling, kind of like wagering on horse racing.

  • kantiger77

    @btwice80 said...

    It’s only a reality in your own mind. A large percentage of entries are automatic wins? In GPPs that only pay out the top 20%? You don’t seem have any grasp whatsoever on the variance of baseball.

    For guys entering a huge amount of lineups, who have a baseline knowledge about the game? Absolutely. Or at least “nearly automatic”. Again, there is only a finite amount of lineups that can clear the salary cap and even a smaller number have a realistic chance of getting the FPPs necessary to cash or finish highly. If you enter 1 or 2, it’s very hard. If you enter 500, your chances of cashing goes up dramatically, especially if you have a baseline knowledge of baseball and how it applies to DFS. People wouldn’t enter that many if they weren’t consistently bringing in the money.

    Obviously, the lower the amount of entries, the less likely is you’ll make money.I also have no problem in an unlimited contest (though, again, I’d like to see more limited ones) if a contestant wants to manually enter 500 lineups, as he/she is willing to put in the time necessary to do so. The advantage a limited-entry player has over a huge entry player is time devoted to daily research. That is why this is a separate issue from the multi-entry debate, though they are related in some ways.

    However, when you include/allow scripting, that time factor goes away and now the high bank roll 500 lineup guy has all the advantages.

    I would have less issue with scripting (though I think it’s lame to allow it) if there was a limit on entries (at like 50), because they then the scripting advantage goes away. Then someone has to actually research which lineups to pick. Or, if you got rid of scripting, at least the guy who wants to play 500 lineups in the same contest has to actually enter the lineups the hard way.

  • Zieg30

    • 530

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    • 2018 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    @kantiger77 said...

    For guys entering a huge amount of lineups, who have a baseline knowledge about the game? Absolutely. Or at least “nearly automatic”. Again, there is only a finite amount of lineups that can clear the salary cap and even a smaller number have a realistic chance of getting the FPPs necessary to cash or finish highly. If you enter 1 or 2, it’s very hard. If you enter 500, your chances of cashing goes up dramatically, especially if you have a baseline knowledge of baseball and how it applies to DFS. People wouldn’t enter that many if they weren’t consistently bringing in the money.

    Yes, when one enters 500 lineups over say, 10-20, ones’ chance of cashing does go up dramatically, but ones chance of making a PROFIT does not. One needs to be a VERY skilled player to profit consistently when entering hundreds of entries.

    Even when entering that many lineups, getting one in the top 10 where payouts rise dramatically is very tough. Ultimately, one needs to do very well with ones’ lineups to even break even.

  • hotpants

    @blackcloud420 said...

    Hey Bob,

    I understand it is tedious and difficult to enter many lineups with little time to go, but we do not allow scripts on the site as it may disrupt the site and you would risk being restricted from DraftKings as consequence. Further, you are correct, it is one person per account and you cannot have multiple people entering lineups for you or operating your account.

    I know this is not ideal but I would suggest inputting the projected starters as you can normally figure out the likely lineup. You can then start entering your lineups at the beginning of the day and then when lineups release, you can make adjustments as necessary.

    Customer Experience Associate
    DraftKings Inc

    mod edit – name removed

    Date?

  • bassic

    @hotpants said...

    Date?

    I believe that was posted in another thread about 3 weeks ago

  • johnnyslow

    i got no idea what a script is either,,i’ve heard of a line-up optimizer,,is that the same thing?

  • TeamTwerk

    If this thing is such a valuable time-saving benefit to players why not make it available to all so we are all playing on an even footing?

    I don’t really mind it too much because I doubt even the sharpest player is able to make his 100th lineup +ev let alone his 1000th. If you are that sharp you should be crushing books. For instance, maxdalury and his Jordan spieth at the masters. Why would you be joining thousands of $5 HU and triple ups and tourneys instead of taking your edge to the house? I don’t get that.

  • sonicattack

    @DFSviz said...

    I was thinking more along the lines of:

    - start and sign a petition

    - contact a site like victiv and see if they will double their tournies for a week so we can both boycott play on these sites and still play DFS (also, victiv spoke out against scripts, we should give them our business anyways)

    That second part is what I like to see. Reddit basically devolved into the episode of South Park where the kids send their parents away due to being “molestered”

    But what we should do is increase patronage to smaller sites. I haven’t been able to do much DFS this summer but seeing the information come about scripting lately has really turned me off to FD and DK.

    When I’m able to play regularly again, I will be targeting Victiv and FantasyAces as much as I can. Already pulled near all my funds from FD and DK. We speak with our actions and our actions in this industry correspond with our wallets.

  • rotomaniac2014

    Now we know how that guy who won that tourney and put 700 800 lineups in that time. If they limit number of entries this would help anyways .it’s turns into gambling once we take and allow hundreds of lineups. It takes away the skill variable

  • DFSviz

    @sonicattack said...

    That second part is what I like to see. Reddit basically devolved into the episode of South Park where the kids send their parents away due to being “molestered”

    But what we should do is increase patronage to smaller sites. I haven’t been able to do much DFS this summer but seeing the information come about scripting lately has really turned me off to FD and DK.

    When I’m able to play regularly again, I will be targeting Victiv and FantasyAces as much as I can. Already pulled near all my funds from FD and DK. We speak with our actions and our actions in this industry correspond with our wallets.

    yup – too bad 90% of this thread is all talk and played the same amount of action as usual last night on the big sites

  • sonicattack

    @DFSviz said...

    yup – too bad 90% of this thread is all talk and played the same amount of action as usual last night on the big sites

    Akin to why people often don’t vote or boycott or do various other things our political process should allow us to do – even as consumers. Taking a stand requires sacrifices and most people aren’t willing to make said sacrifices.

  • dude_abides7

    @Zieg30 said...

    One needs to be a VERY skilled player to profit consistently when entering hundreds of entries.

    I don’t think many would argue this. The contention is that these same players should have to grunt through LU submission, just like the rest of us that were obeying the TOS. Inherently, the time it takes manually enter would limit the these mass entry players’ profitability, not by a matter or %, but that of volume. The nature of time involved plugin in LU’s. would make it very unlikely they would play as many entries as they do.

  • DFSviz

    @sonicattack said...

    Akin to why people often don’t vote or boycott or do various other things our political process should allow us to do – even as consumers. Taking a stand requires sacrifices and most people aren’t willing to make said sacrifices.

    yup, agree

  • Zieg30

    • 530

      RG Overall Ranking

    • 2018 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    @dude_abides7 said...

    I don’t think many would argue this. The contention is that these same players should have to grunt through LU submission, just like the rest of us that were obeying the TOS. Inherently, the time it takes manually enter would limit the these mass entry players’ profitability, not by a matter or %, but that of volume. The nature of time involved plugin in LU’s. would make it very unlikely they would play as many entries as they do.

    Unfortunately, many do argue it, including the guy I was responding to.

    Your point of view re: LU submission is one on which reasonable minds can disagree. I just think it’s a competition, and if folks are willing to go the extra mile to enhance their chances, as long as they’re not cheating (e.g. changing their lineups after lineup lock), more power to ‘em.

  • dornacher3

    Have been thinking about this all night and for a few days actually. I believe the ultimate answer is to cap your largest tournies at 100 buy ins per player. and the smaller one i.e ones 5$ buy in and lower at 25 or 50. that way mass entry guys have to use skill and can’t have every stack going with every optimal lineup. your 3 buy ins are not going to beat a guy with 808 lineups most the time you’ll be lucky to chop w/ him and I personally am against this type of gaming. Tomorow is my last day on FD playing until I hear something meaningful. I love tournaments cash is fun but tournaments are where its at. I’ll take a smaller prize pool for a greater shot of winning every single day.

    the domino effect is I will not have a need for my RG incentives or anything until this is resolved. So in actuality it doesn’t just hurt the site FD it hurts those companies around DFS as a whole. Thanks for the ride, but until I am comfy with the game standards your nothing more then online poker to me. That’s not a good thing by the way.

  • Frickman81

    I’m quitting dfs! This is horrible. Who do they think they are? This month is my last month period and I mean it every word

  • Jeff7kv

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    Remember kids, when you break the rules, make sure you have a lot of money so they don’t punish you! People will start magically defending the broken system because….logic

  • 2021Labs

    At some point i just hope the entire process of creating and entering lineups is able to be 100% automated so i can play DFS without actually having to play DFS.

  • deejones49

    A lot of there contests didn’t fill today i think people are tired of it.

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