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  • FatalError

    DraftKings Rep

    Over the last few weeks there has been a great deal of discussion regarding the methods by which players can enter and manage 100’s of lineups on DraftKings as well as interest in what customers can do to reduce the time commitment necessary to do so. As you all know our policy until now has been to disallow automated access or scripting on the site in all cases. After a long internal discussion we have made the decision to change our terms to allow our customers to use scripts to automate a short list of time consuming behaviors on the site.

    The permitted behaviors are:

    - Creating a contest

    - Creating a lineup

    - Editing a lineup

    - Entering a guaranteed contest

    - Withdrawing from a contest

    There is no other scripted or automated behavior that will be tolerated and we will be monitoring for any behavior that violates our terms. There will be no warnings for violations and the penalty for such a violation will be at the sole discretion of DraftKings.

    We appreciate your patience as we’ve worked to solidify a reasonable and enforceable set of rules as DFS and the size of contests has grown. We hope this will provide clarity for those looking to save some time on a day to day basis while playing on DraftKings.

    For more information on this update please visit our terms and conditions page for full language regarding access and of course feel free to email us at support@draftkings.com with any questions you have related to this change.

  • dude_abides7

    @Zieg30 said...

    Your point of view re: LU submission is one on which reasonable minds can disagree. I just think it’s a competition, and if folks are willing to go the extra mile to enhance their chances, as long as they’re not cheating (e.g. changing their lineups after lineup lock), more power to ‘em.

    As of 4 days ago, what they were doing WAS cheating…now it is OK, with special, secret permission from FD and if they promise to play fair on DK.

  • nba2kjournal

    Hopefully DFS doesn’t go down the drain like internet poker did a few years back because of the cheating and scandals.

  • tacoface

    Has Pat Mayo or any other prominent DFS host addressed the negative implications mass lineup scripting has on the integrity of the industry?

  • hambazaza

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    Dan did a great podcast giving his thoughts. You can find it on the podcast section here on the site

  • dude_abides7

    @hambazaza said...

    Dan did a great podcast giving his thoughts. You can find it on the podcast section here on the site

    I’ll have to give that a listen. In the end, a bunch of members on RG can get noticed, but if the ‘industry leaders’ and talking heads keep this on the front burner the sites in question may be inclined to act in a manner that protects the interests of their entire user base and not just that of a few.

    I really think this issue has more legs than some would give credit.

  • Frickman81

    I’d rather play on dk with peeps using scripts then play on yahoo wow that’s rough

  • Thebawler

    I multi entry and don’t script. I think thats the way everyone should have to do it. My 2 cents. Definitely making me think twice about playing so many entries at a disadvantage. Guess I gotta learn how to script now

  • MrSnuffleupagus

    Can someone please in terms for dummies what scripting is ?

  • Zieg30

    @Thebawler said...

    I multi entry and don’t script. I think thats the way everyone should have to do it. My 2 cents. Definitely making me think twice about playing so many entries at a disadvantage. Guess I gotta learn how to script now

    I multi entry and don’t script. And I don’t think the scripting everyone is talking about really puts me at a disadvantage (although I’m not putting in 100 LUs a night).

    What puts me at a disadvantage is that I don’t use an offline computer program to produce my entries based on criteria I’ve selected. I use a pen and paper to create my lineups. But, that’s a disadvantage I can’t possibly complain about.

  • Yukerboy

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    @MrSnuffleupagus said...

    Can someone please in terms for dummies what scripting is ?

    Say I want to enter my top 300 unique lineups in a gpp. Instead of entering them, I run a program that enters them for me. Then, Liriano is a late scratch. I change my projections, run the program, and it edits all my lineups. All in a matter of minutes.

  • Bay101

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    Any site that allows scripting is a no no. I am surprised ESPN can be partners with DK with questionable practices. Using any type of computer program to help or assist in playing DFS is wrong. For DFS to stay legal and keep momentum moving forward, scripting should not be allowed for any reason. Myself and many of my friends will be finding a new site to play other than DK if this is still allowed.

  • tacoface

    @hambazaza said...

    Dan did a great podcast giving his thoughts. You can find it on the podcast section here on the site

    I’ll check it out. Thanks for posting. Since scripting is common knowledge now my hope is that it isn’t scaring new players away. Otherwise, the Sharks will be left to feed on themselves. The ESPN article was probably an eye-opener for folks who don’t have skin in the game.

  • joonbae

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    I cannot believe there are people who think scripts hold no advantage. Jesus. Unbelievable.

  • Yukerboy

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    @Bay101 said...

    Any site that allows scripting is a no no. I am surprised ESPN can be partners with DK with questionable practices. Using any type of computer program to help or assist in playing DFS is wrong. For DFS to stay legal and keep momentum moving forward, scripting should not be allowed for any reason. Myself and many of my friends will be finding a new site to play other than DK if this is still allowed.

    Excel is a computer program. It helps and assists in playing DFS.

    I don’t see anyone screaming for excel to be banned from use. if anyone did, odds are it would be because they don’t know how to use it.

    Same thing.

  • tomac

    @Yukerboy said...

    Excel is a computer program. It helps and assists in playing DFS.

    I don’t see anyone screaming for excel to be banned from use. if anyone did, odds are it would be because they don’t know how to use it.

    Same thing.

    Apples and oranges, yuke. Apples and oranges.

  • meerkatmreow

    @joonbae said...

    I cannot believe there are people who think scripts hold no advantage. Jesus. Unbelievable.

    By scripts do you mean:

    A) Magical computer AI that creates optimal lineups with computer algorithms and submits them to the website while grilling a BLT and giving a reacharound with one click of the mouse?

    or

    B) Simple computer program that performs a tedious task (inputting lineups to a site) so the user doesn’t have to?

    The first doesn’t exist. The second gives people with a large number of unique lineups to manage an advantage compared to not having them. One could argue that it’s more fair with scripts so the multi-entry people are able to adjust lineups as easily as someone with a handful (or one) lineup. And no, the number of entries required to “cover all the combinations” is absurdly large in comparison to the number of lineups people enter.

    I think we should all get riled up next about using basic statistics knowledge and using math to select lineups, but that’s just me.

  • tomac

    @meerkatmreow said...

    By scripts do you mean:

    A) Magical computer AI that creates optimal lineups with computer algorithms and submits them to the website while grilling a BLT and giving a reacharound with one click of the mouse?

    or

    B) Simple computer program that performs a tedious task (inputting lineups to a site) so the user doesn’t have to?

    The first doesn’t exist. The second gives people with a large number of unique lineups to manage an advantage compared to not having them. One could argue that it’s more fair with scripts so the multi-entry people are able to adjust lineups as easily as someone with a handful (or one) lineup. And no, the number of entries required to “cover all the combinations” is absurdly large in comparison to the number of lineups people enter.

    I think we should all get riled up next about using basic statistics knowledge and using math to select lineups, but that’s just me.

    tedious (adj.)- too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous

    does this define:

    a) the process by which someone participates in dfs (lineup submission); or

    b) your continued defense of scripting

  • meerkatmreow

    @tomac said...

    tedious (adj.)- too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous

    does this define:

    a) the process by which someone participates in dfs (lineup submission); or

    b) your continued defense of scripting

    Hardy har har. You’re clever, that must mean you’re a script

  • rebkell

    What if someone develops a program that spits out all the lineups they want to use, and formats them in the exact way you should put them in, how many lineups do you think a good typist could put in in a couple of hours. I suspect a good typist with the lineups laid out in the way they need them, could put lineups in, in about 15 to 20 seconds. 15 seconds would be 4 per minute, and around 240 per hour.

    If the program was even more refined it could also give you the letters you need to type to have the player show up in mimimal keystrokes, anywhere from 2 to 4 keystrokes would probably find 95+% of players and then just click the player left showing to put them in your lineup..

  • dpadilla

    IMO, entering a ton of lineups should be a disadvantage in itself. The average player is already handicapped by having a day-job, a family, or at-least one of a thousand other things that keeps him/her from putting together hundreds of lineups (or a program to do that for you). That being said, both sides of the argument have very valid points. The players who mass multi-entry are very good at this, and would be without a script. At the same time, if they put in 500 lineups that all cash, then 499 extra people are pushed below the cash line, and I get that frustration. I’ve been below that line more than I was hoping for myself. I guess I just wish they could leave some money for the rest of us. But that goes for life too I guess.

  • Syko

    @rebkell said...

    What if someone develops a program that spits out all the lineups they want to use, and formats them in the exact way you should put them in, how many lineups do you think a good typist could put in in a couple of hours. I suspect a good typist with the lineups laid out in the way they need them, could put lineups in, in about 15 to 20 seconds. 15 seconds would be 4 per minute, and around 240 per hour.

    If the program was even more refined it could also give you the letters you need to type to have the player show up in mimimal keystrokes, anywhere from 2 to 4 keystrokes would probably find 95+% of players and then just click the player left showing to put them in your lineup..

    Uhhhh, what? We’re talking about a script that will just flat out put your teams in contests pretty much immediately.

  • Bay101

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    I see very little difference from scripting and people using bots in playing online poker. People using scripting have an unfair advantage. Casual players like me, fish, will eventually get turned off into playing DFS. If all casual players decided not to play anymore all you scripters can have fun iplaying against each other. It all comes down to who can make the best software. It would be nice to know how many of the top winners in DFS uses scripts. Gl to all

  • Zieg30

    @Bay101 said...

    I see very little difference from scripting and people using bots in playing online poker. People using scripting have an unfair advantage. Casual players like me, fish, will eventually get turned off into playing DFS. If all casual players decided not to play anymore all you scripters can have fun iplaying against each other. It all comes down to who can make the best software. It would be nice to know how many of the top winners in DFS uses scripts. Gl to all

    If casual players were going to get turned off playing DFS, it would’ve happened years ago. Instead, the industry is growing by leaps and bounds.

    The awareness that the odds are against you doesn’t stop folks from going to casinos. That the vig requires you to be a top notch sports better to have any chance of profit when sports betting doesn’t stop it from happening. That you barely have a chance to win the lottery when you buy your lottery tickets doesn’t stop legions of folks from buying them.

    DFS combines that “anything can happen” desire with fantasy sports lineup creation, which so many enjoy. It’s not going anywhere unless it gets legislated out.

  • CalRipkenJr

    DK is where you go to get destroyed by the pros. No thanks, never wasted more than 20 bucks on that site

  • einars

    @Bay101 said...

    I see very little difference from scripting and people using bots in playing online poker.

    then you clearly have very very little understanding of what scripting is

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