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  • MickyD10970

    Dear FD and DK,

    As a devout family man I am wondering what happened between NBA season and the MLB season. I was told repeatedly (in vary well written and flowery prose) why there would be no late swap for NBA. It seems DK especially was very concerned about us consumers being able to devout our time to our families and not be worrying about late scratches and making changes to our lineups all night (kind of like the Ron Popeil “set it and forget it”). We would have time to bond, play catch with the kids, go to church and maybe even a movie night without needing to “sneak out” for a bathroom break to check on late breaking scratches, etc… This was going to make playing so much better for everyone and all of their surveys agreed, DFS’ers are family 1st! If a late scratch ruins a lineup or 6 so be it.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but the NBA season has 81 games while MLB has 162 games. I also am fairly certain that start times are staggered very similarily to NBA start times. Yet both FD and DK are allowing late swap for MLB. Frankly I am appalled! My wife is threatening to leave me, my kids hate me, and my pastor and the movie ushers are convinced I have a serious bowel issue.

    Maybe Nigel and Matt Kalish both got recent divorces and decided #$@$ family time. It’s the only explanation I can figure to explain the late swap exception for MLB. The funny thing is MLB lineups are far more predictable and come out much sooner than NBA lineups and last time I checked Greg Popovich or any any of his kin don’t coach a MLB team.

    So come on DK and FD quit ruining my family time with late swap!

    thanks for listening (I expect a form letter telling me how baseball DFS’ers are very different than NBA DFS’ers in regards to late swap any minute now)

  • jokerswild22

    FanDuel has non-late swap contests. Boom.

    Enjoy pushing the kids on the swing at the park, fam.

  • yisman

    “Frankly I am appalled! My wife is threatening to leave me, my kids hate me, and my pastor and the movie ushers are convinced I have a serious bowel issue.”

    Oh boy.

    jakz, thoughts?

    I think the main reason for late swap isn’t the late scratches. It’s because a few $^$#*&$ managers in West Coast games (Bruce Bochy and Walt Weiss were notorious for this last season. Weiss got fired, though) like to submit their lineups late so that every night at lock time, there’s inevitably at least one lineup not out yet (unless there are no West Coast games).

  • madmanjayWV

    @jokerswild22 said...

    FanDuel has non-late swap contests. Boom.

    Enjoy pushing the kids on the swing at the park, fam.

    Those things are an UTTER JOKE ^

    I mean if u r a cash game player — oh so sweet the selections!

    Heaven 4 bid u r a GPP person

  • Zieg30

    @jokerswild22 said...

    FanDuel has non-late swap contests. Boom.

    Enjoy pushing the kids on the swing at the park, fam.

    FD has, for all intents and purposes, phased out their MLB non-slate swap GPP contests.

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Champion

    So, either don’t play DFS or play the non-late swap options. DK and FD aren’t here to cater to your whims.

  • awesemo

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    No one likes getting a 0 in their lineup because someone didn’t play. I think the sites should accommodate players to prevent that from happening as much as they can. I don’t feel like the user experience is worse because someone else can make a late swap; in a huge majority of instances, you won’t have to.

    With NBA it was a different dynamic where if you didn’t update lineups late you were frequently at a big disadvantage. Eliminating late swap leveled the playing field a little bit between set it and forget it players and pros.

  • Olhausen

    @awesemo said...

    No one likes getting a 0 in their lineup because someone didn’t play. I think the sites should accommodate players to prevent that from happening as much as they can. I don’t feel like the user experience is worse because someone else can make a late swap; in a huge majority of instances, you won’t have to.

    With NBA it was a different dynamic where if you didn’t update lineups late you were frequently at a big disadvantage. Eliminating late swap leveled the playing field a little bit between set it and forget it players and pros.

    This exactly! 90% of the time with MLB you don’t have to worry about late scratches. Once lock hits you just keep your phone by you and if on the rare occasion a scratch does happen you will be notified if you have your MLB alerts set on RG. I love the fact that fan duel did away with no late swap because now on those rare occasions I’ve been able to swap the players out. Last night was one of those rare occasions were Howie Kendrick was scratched about an hour before the game but after the first games had started. It took me a whopping 5 minutes to change him out on DK and fan duel. My point being is that there’s no reason to have to not spend time with your family because fan duel and DK allow late swap for MLB. It Sounds to me like the op has bigger problems if he’s actually being serious about his wife and kids hating him over Dfs.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    Open response to your open letter to fanduel-
    I enjoy being able to avoid taking zeros by paying attention and modifying my lineup when there are late scratches or managers smply refuse to release their lineup before lock.
    I appreciate being rewarded for paying attention when I put my money at stake. I also appreciate FD offering non swap contests for those people who like to put money at risk without not even knowing whos starting in some cases.

    Get yourself a DFS site who can do both as the kids like to say

  • MickyD10970

    @Olhausen said...

    My point being is that there’s no reason to have to not spend time with your family because fan duel and DK allow late swap for MLB. It Sounds to me like the op has bigger problems if he’s actually being serious about his wife and kids hating him over Dfs.

    The post was me trying to be funny. I hated the no late swap for NBA and it was one of the main reasons I played NBA on DK and not Fanduel. Getting a 0 sucks period and with the current competition level virtually assures a non cash.. The post was tongue in cheek as DK would send a canned response claiming they got rid of late swap because it made for a better user experience for all not having to pay attention to your phone all night checking for late breaking news. My family does and always will get 1st preference over DFS. I didn’t think anyone would take my post literally. :)

  • MickyD10970

    I am actually trying to figure out why for MLB the sites think late swap is any different than NBA

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Because theoretically you know who’s playing in an NBA game at noon.
    While you can make educated guesses, you don’t know who’s playing in an MLB game until Lineups are released.

    That would be my best guess.
    I say “theoretically” with the NBA ,because random non-injury related “rest” days are now a thing in that sport too, but it’s a relatively new phenomena.
    Quite frankly I’d expect Dk to go back to late swap in NBA too to account for that.

    While it is true most MLB lineups are released in plenty of time, That’s not true for full slates and Sundays, which allow the sites to create more contests and players to confidently enter them. Also, teams do seem to be getting lineups in later of late. Just this past week there were multiple teams who did not have a confirmed lineup at lock.

  • MickyD10970

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    Because theoretically you know who’s playing in an NBA game at noon.
    While you can make educated guesses, you don’t know who’s playing in an MLB game until Lineups are released.

    That would be my best guess.
    I say “theoretically” with the NBA ,because random non-injury related “rest” days are now a thing in that sport too, but it’s a relatively new phenomena.
    Quite frankly I’d expect Dk to go back to late swap in NBA too to account for that.

    While it is true most MLB lineups are released in plenty of time, That’s not true for full slates and Sundays, which allow the sites to create more contests and players to confidently enter them. Also, teams do seem to be getting lineups in later of late. Just this past week there were multiple teams who did not have a confirmed lineup at lock.

    I agree with you in general but no late swap NBA ruined it for me. Way more important (IMO) to know that a 3000 player is starting in the NBA. Also it got to the point where you almost couldn’t play any of the 9:00 games (late games) without serious risk of taking a 0. This played out multiple times over the season (and I believe was documented in at least 1 thread). You can survive a 0 in MLB and still cash and even cash relatively high, you cannot with rare exceptions do so in NBA. Do you really think the players that clamoured for no late swap in NBA have the opposite opinion in MLB? And if so what happens to their claim that they don’t want to be glued to their phones waiting for late news?

  • yisman

    I hated the change with NBA, but I think NBA DFS is terrible anyway. I try to avoid playing it as much as possible.

    It created the thing where you can’t use guys from the later games and this is going on right now at fantasydraft. They don’t do late swap so I have to stay off some teams entirely because I don’t want to risk a guy getting the game off when I use him.

    Most DFS players are that way so I guess in GPPs there will be some who use guys from those games knowing they will be low-owned.

  • Njsum1

    @MickyD10970 said...

    I am actually trying to figure out why for MLB the sites think late swap is any different than NBA

    You don’t need to figure it out….awesomeo told you why. Yet I’ll elaborate as I like this topic…Late swap doesn’t benefit the pros in MLB, nor does it take away from user experience due to the infrequency which with late scratches occur.

    Late swap in NBA provides a huge advantage to the pros and takes away from user experience due to the frequency with which they occur. Significant time is often needed to monitor the news and adjust lineups in order to be competitive. Also late swap in NBA was not primarily being used to simply swap out a late scratch, yet more so to backload lineups and just wait on news, giving a huge advantage to pros and those with more time. To further elaborate….in MLB say Kris Bryant is scratched people aren’t going have to adjust their lineups to make sure they get significant exposure to whichever call up or mediocre player replaces him as points from said player aren’t guaranteed. You essentially just find a player at his position on another team with a similar salary in a good spot and plug him in. On the other hand, in NBA if a starting PG is scratched and now a 3k player finds himself in a 35 minute role, he’s almost a lock to pay off his salary and then some, you now have to adjust many lineups. And it’s not a simple 1 for 1 swap like it is in MLB. Now you need to completely redo many lineups due to the 5k of cap space that was just freed up. Whether you agree with it or not, that is the reason why there is still late swap for MLB and no late swap for NBA. Although I prefer no late swap for NBA, I also like choices, so it would be nice to see both no late swap and late swap contests for the upcoming NBA season.

  • walkoff9

    In MLB it’s just an issue of swapping a guy that gets scratched out for someone else.

    NBA one guy sitting can turn the entire slate upside down and make you change your entire lineup if you want to be anywhere near optimal.

  • XxHeisenbergxX

    this was a real letter? Really?

  • Inkbullets

    I feel sorry for everyone that read this and couldn’t tell he was being sarcastic :(

  • SA16

    As a high volume player who uses late swap relatively often I really don’t like it. I would much rather set my lineup at 7 and then be done with it for the day instead of constantly having to monitor if a player gets scratched or if I’m in bad shape in any important H2H matches and need to swap to unblock myself.

  • Moon_Lighter

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    @MickyD10970 said...

    I am actually trying to figure out why for MLB the sites think late swap is any different than NBA

    I think weather plays a factor since baseball is mostly played outside.

  • MickyD10970

    A lot of you are missing the point. The reason given by DK for no late swap was that it made for a better user experience. By not having to monitor late news it made for a better experience for the majority of people. My “ letter” was intended sarcasm. I get the arguments posted in the differences between sub optimal lineups with late breaking NBA news but I would argue that a late rainout involving highly chalk pitchers or position players is no different in terms of needing to scramble to adjust lineups to be “optimal” Additionally rain can be very hard to monitor and I would say you actually need to spend more time checking updates than you do for late NBA news. So to my point it is the explanation given by DK for no late swap NBA that just doesn’t pass the smell test. Once again this is just my opinion. I would additionally argue that much of the final 4th of the NBA season is almost unplayable without late swap with all the tanking and now every 3rd coach doing the Popovich and resting stars for the playoffs.

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Champion

    @MickyD10970 said...

    A lot of you are missing the point. The reason given by DK for no late swap was that it made for a better user experience. By not having to monitor late news it made for a better experience for the majority of people. My “ letter” was intended sarcasm. I get the arguments posted in the differences between sub optimal lineups with late breaking NBA news but I would argue that a late rainout involving highly chalk pitchers or position players is no different in terms of needing to scramble to adjust lineups to be “optimal” Additionally rain can be very hard to monitor and I would say you actually need to spend more time checking updates than you do for late NBA news. So to my point it is the explanation given by DK for no late swap NBA that just doesn’t pass the smell test. Once again this is just my opinion. I would additionally argue that much of the final 4th of the NBA season is almost unplayable without late swap with all the tanking and now every 3rd coach doing the Popovich and resting stars for the playoffs.

    If you truly think that checking weather updates for potential rainouts is more prevalent than late breaking NBA lineup news, you are clearly missing something. I think there have been two “surprise” rainouts this entire MLB season and you got more late breaking illness or different starter news in any 5 day stretch of the NBA season last year.

  • jimfred82

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    So, what do you guys think: Will they bring back late swap for NBA? Or, better yet, what do you think the plan is for NFL?

  • spades4085

    I like how FD has it set now for MLB, granted the contests are nowhere close to each other in size…but its cool that they make late swap contests and no late swap contests

  • CuradoKev

    Great letter, that was hilarious ! but not near as funny as the people that took you seriously…wow !!

    Nice job !

  • theoddsmaker

    @awesemo said...

    No one likes getting a 0 in their lineup because someone didn’t play. I think the sites should accommodate players to prevent that from happening as much as they can. I don’t feel like the user experience is worse because someone else can make a late swap; in a huge majority of instances, you won’t have to.

    With NBA it was a different dynamic where if you didn’t update lineups late you were frequently at a big disadvantage. Eliminating late swap leveled the playing field a little bit between set it and forget it players and pros.

    How about that “bench” option Victiv had?

    Basically they designed a roster slot that was all remaining players below say $3k you could choose from that would replace your lowest score. They could introduce logic maybe so that if a player didn’t play in the game it could swap him in vs having it replace Thames or Machado going 0-4 (like they usually do).

    I think the thing here is finding the happy medium. We have to hope that sites can continue to make the overall product better and introduce some sort of innovation to cater to user needs better.

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