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  • Becks

    Can anyone recommend an NFL DFS site that’s NOT fanduel or draftkings?

  • 1greatbuyz

    • x3

      2014 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @FantasyDraftSupport said...

    That is correct – These are the exact plans available. So – that playthrough in that example would push you to the next membership level and still represents a massive savings.

    FREE up to $100 in entry fees per month.
    $4.99 up to $1,000 in entry fees per month
    $14.99 up to $3,000 in entry fees per month
    $49.99 up to $10,000 in entry fees per month
    $99.99 up to $25,000 in entry fees per month
    $499.99 up to $100,000 in entry fees per month
    $999.99 unlimited entry fees.

    Thanks for all the info. I am leaning more heavily in the direction of doing business with you.

  • DFSx42

    yeah, this is a real game changer, they really need to make a tool for people to input how much they play and what the difference in rake payouts would be, I simply can’t believe that this deep into DFS, people still don’t understand just how large a role that rake carves

    prime example is Yahoo’s quickmatches, the h2hs I get in quickmatches are all significantly better players and better lineups than I get in my normal, raked h2h action

    thus my win rate is much lower in the QMs, but my ROI is much higher, simply because I start profiting at 50.1% win rate without rake whereas I need to hit 56ish% just to break even on normal h2hs.

    At $25 rake free h2h I earn 8% ROI with a win rate of just 54%
    At $25 raked h2h I need to win 60% of the time for that 8% ROI

    Or, more appropriately, 54% win rate with rake is a losing player at -3% ROI
    60% win rate without rake is 20% ROI

    That’s no slight difference, it’s the difference between losing money and being one of the top cash game players out there, very few cash game players eclipse 8% ROI and yet anyone breaking even in cash would be doing far better than the cash game end bosses if they simply switched to a rake free site like fantasy draft or yahoo

    people always ask me why I don’t play much on FD or DK and when I tell them it’s because of the rake, I get weird looks because so many people simply don’t understand just how much of their bankroll is just feeding the site each slate

  • Agoraphobia

    Pretty odd that some whine “well it’s not rake but you have to pay a subscription fee” when it’s one half of 1% of your entry fees for the month. I mean, it’s miniscule. These sites don’t exist to be charities. Previous post above this is spot on & it’s an incredible deal.

  • wolfjb1

    I’d love to play on Yahoo! but Yahoo has banned Florida players since mid-2015. There is no rational explanation for this restriction. All other sites that I know of have no restrictions on Florida players. It’s completely irrational for them to not allow Florida players. When you contact customer support they give an intentionally vague and misleading answer about why it’s banned which doesn’t explain anything. It doesn’t make any sense.

  • selorogacevo

    @wolfjb1 said...

    I’d love to play on Yahoo! but Yahoo has banned Florida players since mid-2015. There is no rational explanation for this restriction. All other sites that I know of have no restrictions on Florida players. It’s completely irrational for them to not allow Florida players. When you contact customer support they give an intentionally vague and misleading answer about why it’s banned which doesn’t explain anything. It doesn’t make any sense.

    Since Fantasy Draft is in Florida and all their contests are Rake Free
    Sounds like you now have a better option

  • UllNeedIt101

    Look, if you’re not playing on FantasyDraft, please never complain about rake. If you’re serious about making a profit FantasyDraft is where you need to play. If you want to chase the stars and moon, FantasyDraft has a million dollar tournament as well. I’ve been very reluctant to play new sites other than the main two, i’m finally convinced, thank you FantasyDraft! Is there a promo code I could use before signing up, just want to make sure i’m not missing out on anything!

  • leib0039

    Would love to have another site outside of FD/DK open up college sports but that seems unlikely at this point.

  • Becks

    Fair points

  • mambaland

    @Moszman said...

    Yahoo!

    yahoo does their 1099 horribly..you have to calculate as if no NET…sort of like their year long stuff…you can not subtract losses..or that is how it was 2 years ago when i finally quit there

  • mambaland

    @UllNeedIt101 said...

    Look, if you’re not playing on FantasyDraft, please never complain about rake. If you’re serious about making a profit FantasyDraft is where you need to play. If you want to chase the stars and moon, FantasyDraft has a million dollar tournament as well. I’ve been very reluctant to play new sites other than the main two, i’m finally convinced, thank you FantasyDraft! Is there a promo code I could use before signing up, just want to make sure i’m not missing out on anything!

    how can you not complain about rake when they charge 3percent on all deposits PLUS you pay a monthly fee to play so yes there is rake and plenty of it.

  • mambaland

    @selorogacevo said...

    Since Fantasy Draft is in Florida and all their contests are Rake Free
    Sounds like you now have a better option

    rake free after you pay 3 percent to deposit and their monthly fee to play not complaining about it but just do not say no rake when it is

  • BerkeleyBoss

    @mambaland said...

    rake free after you pay 3 percent to deposit and their monthly fee to play

    Even if you only play half of the allotted entry fees at the low level, the subscription only comes out to about 1%.

    3% + 1% = 4%

    4% and that’s only if you lose all of your deposit without cashing. Once you start cashing, you’re using entry fees that you didn’t actually pay a deposit fee on. My guess is that when all is said and done, the effective rake ends up being pretty close to 1.5%.

  • mambaland

    true and since about 1percent win money in dfs you will lose it slower LOL

  • Agoraphobia

    Mambaland,

    Your effective rake with the monthly fee comes out to one half of one percent. The 3% fee is a one time charge per deposit.

    What exactly would you like them to charge for using their service — are you expecting it to be free?

  • selorogacevo

    @Agoraphobia said...

    Mambaland,

    Your effective rake with the monthly fee comes out to one half of one percent. The 3% fee is a one time charge per deposit.

    What exactly would you like them to charge for using their service — are you expecting it to be free?

    I don’t think
    Mambaland really thought through his comment, I am sure now that you pointed out the math, it’s pretty obvious to him (or anyone else)
    Fantasy Draft just made DFS great for the players

  • madmanjayWV

    @FantasyDraftSupport said...

    “Simply replaced by a subscription fee” is not accurate.

    1) No subscription needed for up to $100 in entry fees per month.
    2) For $5.99 a month a user can play up to $1,000 in entry fees. On other sites, this user will be charged $150 in rake on that $1,000. Compared to $5.99. Most users would prefer to pay $5.99 instead of $150. And that’s just on the first playthrough of the money!

    Here is a real example.

    Lets say a user plays $1,000 in NFL Week 1 and breaks exactly even. On FantasyDraft, that user pays a $5.99 subscription fee. On other sites, that user pays $150 in rake, which is 25x as much.
    Heading into Week 2, on FantasyDraft the user has $994. On other sites, $850.
    Lets say the user breaks exactly even again. This user still has $994 on FantasyDraft. This user pays 15% in rake on their $850 and is now down to $722.50.
    These numbers get even more exaggerated with each subsequent playthrough of the money. The math does not lie and it is really a no brainer which is better for the players!

    Thanks everyone for supporting us!

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  • DFSx42

    i don’t know what’s worse

    1 mamba pointing out that it’s bullshit because they are still charging fees
    2 attempting to calculate and assuming that 3% plus a small monthly fee will be more than normal rake
    3 all this after a half dozen posts pointing out that the fees charged by fantasy draft are dramatically lower

    and yes, it is rake free, that’s not a misleading term, rake free doesn’t mean no fees, it means you don’t pay a hefty fee for each contest you join, it’s really not that complicated

    i simply don’t understand why a site offers drastically reduced fees compared to industry standard after years of fees being the highest complaint and then people still complain about them for having any fees at all, meanwhile they are regs at DK and FD paying exponentially higher fees

  • beare

    fantasydraft-draft.com and fanball

  • Becks

    @DFSx42 said...

    i don’t know what’s worse

    1 mamba pointing out that it’s bullshit because they are still charging fees
    2 attempting to calculate and assuming that 3% plus a small monthly fee will be more than normal rake
    3 all this after a half dozen posts pointing out that the fees charged by fantasy draft are dramatically lower

    and yes, it is rake free, that’s not a misleading term, rake free doesn’t mean no fees, it means you don’t pay a hefty fee for each contest you join, it’s really not that complicated

    i simply don’t understand why a site offers drastically reduced fees compared to industry standard after years of fees being the highest complaint and then people still complain about them for having any fees at all, meanwhile they are regs at DK and FD paying exponentially higher fees

    You don’t need to understand, just go play at FD and give it a rest

  • mogizzle

  • NIN1002

    Personally, I play at Yahoo only and am pretty happy there. I would indeed recommend the product to anyone who is interested.

    I have no real knowledge of the beginner pool they have, but I have talked with a few guys who had access to that and they loved it. Unfortunately, it will disappear someday or another from you and when it’s gone it’s gone forever. By all means, get in on these and play every single “new guy” contest you can, for once it ends be ready for a massive change in quality of competition.

    The big problem with Yahoo is you will be forced to play against the titans of the game (go check the top 10 RG points leaderboard and then imagine playing against at least 3 of those guys in every 10 man contest you enter) in every contest. They enter EVERYTHING from $.25 to $1050 buy ins. 10 man 50/50’s, or large GPP’s does not matter to these guys. They have no soul, Yahoo has no restrictions from letting these players join EVERY contest they generate, and it’s just the way it’s going to be. You have no shot not to play against these millionaires in any contest. They will 100% all be there all the time every time. But, I guess Yahoo is the best in the sense that the “large” GPP’s have a 10 entry limit and at least in the SE contests and 50/50’s they can only have one lineup so I suppose that’s the “edge” people speak of.

    So, to sum it up, the beginner level is awesome. Not competing against 150 entries is a plus I guess if you want to look at it that way. The rake free QM’s and the one rake free GPP they host are nifty. Being forced to play against moklovin and Bric and papagates (and others!) in 100% of my contests I enter….not so great. :(

    Or to put it another way…

    FD/DK guy who has won millions of dollars and has a balance of $1,000,000 at Yahoo vs. you and you have a balance of $5. Should the millionaire care about you? You betcha they do!!! All Mr. Millions wants to see is this:

    His new balance after wiping you out: $1,000,005
    You: $0

    And that is exactly what you will be facing.

  • noddy

    @DFSx42 said...

    i don’t know what’s worse

    1 mamba pointing out that it’s bullshit because they are still charging fees
    2 attempting to calculate and assuming that 3% plus a small monthly fee will be more than normal rake
    3 all this after a half dozen posts pointing out that the fees charged by fantasy draft are dramatically lower

    and yes, it is rake free, that’s not a misleading term, rake free doesn’t mean no fees, it means you don’t pay a hefty fee for each contest you join, it’s really not that complicated

    i simply don’t understand why a site offers drastically reduced fees compared to industry standard after years of fees being the highest complaint and then people still complain about them for having any fees at all, meanwhile they are regs at DK and FD paying exponentially higher fees

    Because people are stupid

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @wolfjb1 said...

    I’d love to play on Yahoo! but Yahoo has banned Florida players since mid-2015. There is no rational explanation for this restriction. All other sites that I know of have no restrictions on Florida players. It’s completely irrational for them to not allow Florida players. When you contact customer support they give an intentionally vague and misleading answer about why it’s banned which doesn’t explain anything. It doesn’t make any sense.

    In case you missed it, we are back in Florida.

  • noddy

    People better be playing at fantasy draft and supporting what they are doing. Maybe the big 2 will lower the rake if enough players take their business elsewhere. Don’t think they aren’t paying attention to what’s going on.

  • Spaghettiboyy

    Surprised no one has mentioned prizepicks yet

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