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  • Dmurphy104

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    http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13924648/investigation-commissioned-draftkings-says-employee-locked-lineup-receiving-internal-data

    Let’s share the heck out of this.

  • dude_abides7

    @cAUmberlandtiger8 said...

    FD also seems to have better leadership and more proactive than DK. And I play most of money on DK.

    This is the ‘tallest midget in the circus’ argument. Neither one has their act together…at all.

  • Jackandsoda

    2011 FFFC Finalist, 2011 DFBC Finalist, 2012 DSBC Finalist (x2), 2013 DSBC Finalist (x2)

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    God this I so dumb. I knew this day would come though. Get ready, it was better when no one understood. Things are only going to get worse. Congrats Ethan. I never doubted you for a second.

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  • depalma13

    DraftKings CEO Jason Robins said in a statement. “In fact, as the investigation also concluded, it was not even possible for non-public information to have been used improperly.”

    THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE.

    Ethan’s followers had access to information that compromised a $7 million tournament on Jason Robbin’s own website.

    Anyone that played Jamal Charles for 7400 as a flex option in that tournament and got the information that Ethan released, knew he was 17.5% owned. There was another high floor high ceiling player Randal Cobb, that cost 7300, and was only 12% owned playing on Monday night.

    Being able to choose between two elite players and knowing for a fact which one is lesser owned, based on non-public information, is an advantage and makes it very possible to win more money.

  • einars

    @depalma13 said...

    DraftKings CEO Jason Robins said in a statement. “In fact, as the investigation also concluded, it was not even possible for non-public information to have been used improperly.”

    THAT IS A FLAT OUT LIE.

    Ethan’s followers had access to information that compromised a $7 million tournament on Jason Robbin’s own website.

    Anyone that played Jamal Charles for 7400 as a flex option in that tournament and got the information that Ethan released, knew he was 17.5% owned. There was another high floor high ceiling player Randal Cobb, that cost 7300, and was only 12% owned playing on Monday night.

    Being able to choose between two elite players and knowing for a fact which one is lesser owned, based on non-public information, is an advantage and makes it very possible to win more money.

    once the ownership percentage numbers were released they were no longer nonpublic information….at that point they were public information

  • dude_abides7

    @einars said...

    once the ownership percentage numbers were released they were no longer nonpublic information….at that point they were public information

    It was only because of a screw up that this became “public” as you say. The fact that an DK employee would be given this sensitive info upon request for ANY REASON before ALL GAMES are locked is a very, very concerning matter. The assumption that Ethan didn’t do anything sinister with the info is more a positive testament to his character and not that it absolves DK of any wrong doing.

    Allowing ANY mid-level employee to query this data is a major concern. How come people can’t differentiate that with the fact that it appears Ethan was on the up and up? A rational mind can ask the question, if a content writer can get this info, who else can and what can they possibly do with it? These are the questions still at play here and the people asking aren’t wearing tin-foil hats.

  • einars

    @dude_abides7 said...

    It was only because of a screw up that this became “public” as you say. The fact that an DK employee would be given this sensitive info upon request for ANY REASON before ALL GAMES are locked is a very, very concerning matter. The assumption that Ethan didn’t do anything sinister with the info is more a positive testament to his character and not that it absolves DK or any wrong doing.

    Allowing ANY mid-level employee to query this data is a major concern. How come people can’t differentiate that with the fact that it appears Ethan was on the up and up? A rational mind can ask the question, if a content writer can get this info, who else can and what can they possibly do with it? These are the questions still at play here and the people asking aren’t wearing tin-foil hats.

    my comment only related to the post by depalma.

    fwiw he received the info in am email which implies he didnt have access to query it himself. the main issue according to most of the posters and the newspaper articles was that Ethan used this information to win on FD. in my opinion (tho not in some other’s) this has been settled. I am content to wait and see if any process improvements come from the independent examination and to see what comes of the governmental investigations.

    My comment was reply to depalma falsely accusing Robbins of lying because of the posters misunderstanding of the difference between public and non public information. (not to mention applying the quote from Robbins to the use of the DK information on DK instead of the use of the DK information on FD which is what the quote and report were both referring too)

  • dude_abides7

    @einars said...

    my comment only related to the post by depalma.

    fwiw he received the info in am email which implies he didnt have access to query it himself. the main issue according to most of the posters and the newspaper articles was that Ethan used this information to win on FD. in my opinion (tho not in some other’s) this has been settled. I am content to wait and see if any process improvements come from the independent examination and to see what comes of the governmental investigations.

    My comment was reply to depalma falsely accusing Robbins of lying because of the posters misunderstanding of the difference between public and non public information. (not to mention applying the quote from Robbins to the use of the DK information on DK instead of the use of the DK information on FD which is what the quote and report were both referring too)

    Yeah, I hear you. I think we are talking about two different things. Piggy-backing your comment regarding the info, whether he was emailed the info or queried it himself he NEVER should have had access to it at that time. That is my position, as it is with many others, that don’t believe this is a dead issue.

    I do recall Ethan (in his sole public response on the matter) claimed he was the only one with the data. If someone e-mailed him the data, as you suggest, then this of course means that there had to be someone else involved. I don’t think this is simple semantics. It seemed (seems?) like it is way too easy for this info to get passed around and misplaced over there at DK. This is the issue I have, like many others, regarding this topic. The notion that Ethan did or did not use the info unethically is not my primary concern. Never was. My concern is, who is manning the gate???

  • einars

    @dude_abides7 said...

    don’t believe this is a dead issue.

    i agree. i think we will see some more process improvement corrections as a result of the third party investigation in the near future here. When Robbin’s was doing his interviews it seemed like they were expecting (and were going to implement) process improvement suggestions from the report.

  • Pinhead6

    I guess these findings are a positive but the damage is already done. Ethan is probably a good guy but he was very careless and severely damaged the outlook of the industry. So many players already are unable to play and are likely going to have ridiculous rake, small player pools, and fewer offerings (mma golf etc) as a result. This was probably inevitable long term anyhow but it’s a shame he accelerated the process so much.

  • dude_abides7

    @Pinhead6 said...

    I guess these findings are a positive but the damage is already done. Ethan is probably a good guy but he was very careless and severely damaged the outlook of the industry.

    See…after careful reflection I really don’t find Ethan at fault here. He is (was?) a mid-level employee who was given access to info he never should have had. This falls squarely on DK and their inability to protect sensitive information.

    They put child locks on things for a reason. You don’t blame a kid who slugs down an opened bottle of pills because his folks left the cap off in arms reach. You blame the parents. I am not saying Ethan is a “child” but in the professional sense as it relates to business access to sensitive files, he most certainly should not have been cleared to handle this data.

    Once again, DK deserves to be regulated because of this. What we didn’t need is an all-out onslaught from the ‘only headlines matter’ media who didn’t take the time to research the story correctly. They made it about Ethan instead of making it about the holes in the walls over at DK.

  • jimfred82

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    I gave the first few pages of this thread a shot, but it just started getting into bigger internet penis stuff like usual, so I’ll just say Congrats to Ethan and I hope all this stuff can eventually start clearing up a little bit so the forums can get back to positive contributions and strategy rather than conspiracy, whining, and everybody proving that they are all lawyers.

    I don’t want people to think I don’t see that DFS is in a little bit of danger here just because I haven’t been vocal about this; I just think that so many people are focusing on complaining and throwing everybody involved at DK, FD and even RG under the bus that it’s really disheartening. You all realize that Rotogrinders is referenced in most of the articles, right? So, when new people come to this site hoping for a little bit of legitimacy (or heaven forbid the facebook page which is about 90% anti-DFS now), and read that such a high percentage of RG people seem to be so anti-Ethan and anti-DFS, why on earth would they believe that it’s not the big conspiracy the media has portrayed it?

    Ethan being cleared is a good thing, people, because that’s what caused the controversy in the first place. We all love DFS and want it to be successful. Try being positive and standing together rather than apart and see what happens.

    Sorry about all that. It’s just really, really tiring… and I really need some NBA.

  • lochjeff

    I may have missed this, but I don’t see anyone talking about anything but his specific winning entry. Did he only enter once into the contest, or were there multiple entries submitted? Additionally, after receiving the e-mail with player data- allegedly just 40 min after the winning entry was submitted, did he continue to enter that contest or others? As a new player I am concerned about the deeper ethics involved than just one submission

  • Vigilantes

    Try living in NV missing multiple weeks of earnings and shooting off thousands of $ to uproot and relocate to CA and not be upset by what was a highly preventable “mistake”. Until we see the lawsuits settled and the FBI/DOJ investigation finished, we haven’t seen anything. A group hired by DK with no subpoena power is basically the same as taking the company’s word that it is all good. I don’t trust DK’s word at the moment. Their explanations to me in the aftermath were unacceptable. I am not comfortable DK had enough safeguards in place or are even capable of recognizing what needs to be changed at the moment. It will take quite a bit to repair the damage.

  • Ryazan

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    @jimfred82 said...

    I gave the first few pages of this thread a shot, but it just started getting into bigger internet penis stuff like usual, so I’ll just say Congrats to Ethan and I hope all this stuff can eventually start clearing up a little bit so the forums can get back to positive contributions and strategy rather than conspiracy, whining, and everybody proving that they are all lawyers.

    I don’t want people to think I don’t see that DFS is in a little bit of danger here just because I haven’t been vocal about this; I just think that so many people are focusing on complaining and throwing everybody involved at DK, FD and even RG under the bus that it’s really disheartening. You all realize that Rotogrinders is referenced in most of the articles, right? So, when new people come to this site hoping for a little bit of legitimacy (or heaven forbid the facebook page which is about 90% anti-DFS now), and read that such a high percentage of RG people seem to be so anti-Ethan and anti-DFS, why on earth would they believe that it’s not the big conspiracy the media has portrayed it?

    Ethan being cleared is a good thing, people, because that’s what caused the controversy in the first place. We all love DFS and want it to be successful. Try being positive and standing together rather than apart and see what happens.

    Sorry about all that. It’s just really, really tiring… and I really need some NBA.

    100% agree with you. That’s why people on RG need to watch what they say when it comes to bashing DFS, FD, DK, ect, because outside sources read this public forum. There quite literally is no scandal at the moment – nothing happened, just the media trying to grab some attention with a non-story.

    All the multi entry/scripts/ect issues, they are just minor glitches in the DFS world – nothing ever runs 100% perfectly, if it did, we would all live in Utopia.

  • fadein34

    @dude_abides7 said...

    It was only because of a screw up that this became “public” as you say. The fact that an DK employee would be given this sensitive info upon request for ANY REASON before ALL GAMES are locked is a very, very concerning matter. The assumption that Ethan didn’t do anything sinister with the info is more a positive testament to his character and not that it absolves DK of any wrong doing.

    Allowing ANY mid-level employee to query this data is a major concern. How come people can’t differentiate that with the fact that it appears Ethan was on the up and up? A rational mind can ask the question, if a content writer can get this info, who else can and what can they possibly do with it? These are the questions still at play here and the people asking aren’t wearing tin-foil hats.

    Well said. This has been the issue from the start. Ethan +350k and ownership %s were distractions from the real issue.

  • winsome

    @hambazaza said...

    why would a lawfirm falsely give the A-OK for something? Do they wish to not be respected anymore? Do they desire to be out of business. it makes zero sense for an outside law firm to find nothing if there is something to be found, regardless of who paid for them

    Lol. Seriously? No offense but this is the response of someone who merely accepts things at face value. GT has had its share of issues but the reality is they’re well connected.

    As far as the inquiry, it was my understanding that DK hired GT only to review the findings of the “internal investigation”. If this is indeed true then they were likely not given full access to everything so the outcome was essentially predetermined.

    I’m not implying there was cheating (and I didn’t read every post herein so if I missed it my apologies) but unless FD was also part of the investigation how do they know Ethan didn’t change his team after he locked his lineup at 3am? Still a bit of a transparency issue that I imagine we’ll see more of when the NY AG reports. Like others I think the MLB heater is more of a question as his success allowed him to do something I never saw him do which was become a massive multi entry player which is the key to his NFL success.

  • depalma13

    @einars said...

    once the ownership percentage numbers were released they were no longer nonpublic information….at that point they were public information

    You are right it became public, but it is also a very real example of how having that kind of information can be very beneficial when it isn’t public.

  • nysos10

    @Dmurphy104 said...

    http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13924648/investigation-commissioned-draftkings-says-employee-locked-lineup-receiving-internal-data

    Let’s share the heck out of this.

    Not so fast….

    http://www.si.com/2015/10/19/draftkings-independent-investigation-dfs-john-pappalardo

  • DmitryPolo

    @nysos10 said...

    Not so fast….

    http://www.si.com/2015/10/19/draftkings-independent-investigation-dfs-john-pappalardo

  • tomac

    @julieduke33 said...

    Because they thought he had info before lock and that’s how he won cuz the media portrayed it that way..I believe the reports that he got info after lock

    You do realize that 1:40 pm is before the 4 pm slate locks right? There is no question that he had inside info before those other slates locked.

    Forget the 350k. That in itself is a major issue.

  • dude_abides7

    @tomac said...

    You do realize that 1:40 pm is before the 4 pm slate locks right? There is no question that he had inside info before those other slates locked.

    Forget the 350k. That in itself is a major issue.

    OMG ^. THIS is the issue.

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  • mkibodeaux1

    This is literally what I read within the first day or two of the issue occurring. Disappointing really it took this long for reason to come out. Always had a feeling it was a non-story, but this is actually surprising ESPN let the facts come in the way of a good story.

    ETA: Im referring to his 350k winning LU that locked at 1 ET. The later contests are still up for discussion, though I havent heard if Haskell won anything on those tourneys.

  • Dmurphy104

    • Blogger of the Month

    @mkibodeaux1 said...

    This is literally what I read within the first day or two of the issue occurring. Disappointing really it took this long for reason to come out. Always had a feeling it was a non-story, but this is actually surprising ESPN let the facts come in the way of a good story.

    ETA: Im referring to his 350k winning LU that locked at 1 ET. The later contests are still up for discussion, though I havent heard if Haskell won anything on those tourneys.

    you really think the DK ownership data was helpful to him in 4pm Fanduel contests? at that point he could have easily obtained FD ownership data from the early slates.

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