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  • VinnyT87

    The game stops becoming a game of skill when Triple Overtimes happen. People are rewarded for bad picks. People who smartly fade Russell Westbrook in tournaments and cash games get cucked by bad players who decided to roster a player who was not a good play. Overtimes being counted turns a game of skill into gambling. You can use data, build models to make projections for player performance over a fixed length of time, but not this shit. This is bullshit.

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    Vinnie, if you were a more thoughtful partner perhaps you will find yourself being cucked less. Sorry for your predicament

  • NoLimits0

    @chess_is_ok said...

    Vinnie, if you were a more thoughtful partner perhaps you will find yourself being cucked less. Sorry for your predicament

    Oh look so most pros actually do read these forums but are lurkers. Good to know.

  • timusbr

    @jjwd said...

    I’m habitually confused why mods allow posts like this, and allow threads like this to devolve… Not a good look RG.

    Hey now, freedom of speech is good. He made the thread, its his topic. Absolutely nothing wrong that should be addressed by a moderator (IMHO). You would be correct if this was on the daily strategy thread. RG does a good job to not limit someones point of view. Its a continual dance(by RG staff and bosses) that I approve of

  • bhdevault

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    @timusbr said...

    Hey now, freedom of speech is good. He made the thread, its his topic. Absolutely nothing wrong that should be addressed by a moderator (IMHO). You would be correct if this was on the daily strategy thread. RG does a good job to not limit someones point of view. Its a continual dance(by RG staff and bosses) that I approve of

    It’s a tough road as a moderator. Limit too much and we get accused of ‘Censorship’, try and let things go and it’s a ‘bad look’.

    I try my best, but Vinnie is quite the character at times.

  • billholler

    @bhdevault said...

    I try my best, but Vinnie is quite the character at times.

    So Vinny is a character and I’m just an asshole.

  • jjwd

    @timusbr said...

    Hey now, freedom of speech is good. He made the thread, its his topic. Absolutely nothing wrong that should be addressed by a moderator (IMHO). You would be correct if this was on the daily strategy thread. RG does a good job to not limit someones point of view. Its a continual dance(by RG staff and bosses) that I approve of

    You’re confused. I’m talking about the post where the OP was called “boy”, and that same poster encouraged others to “clean his bankroll.” Seems like that’s an obvious violation of forum posting rule #1: “Members will be courteous and respectful to other members and the moderators. No direct or indirect personal attacks or insults of any kind will be allowed. Posts which antagonize, belittle or humiliate other members and/or the moderators will not be tolerated.” I respect bhdevault, but RG clearly doesn’t enforce this rule in the forums, and it’s a mistake imo.

  • timusbr

    @jjwd said...

    You’re confused

    wow, my mistake.

    as far as the courtesy and respect goes, I think sometimes its just to vanilla. Maybe your right, by definition. However in practice, I didnt see anything in need of being addressed. I was fortunate that my parents let me out of the house once in awhile to see courtesy and respect are a nice thing but the real world chews it up. Maybe I have developed a little thicker skin. Boy and clear out someone’s bankroll is not fighting words or words to make me think its an issue.

  • timusbr

    @billholler said...

    So Vinny is a character and I’m just an asshole.

    LOL

    I bet we could find a post or 2 where you referred to yourself as that. Missed you at golf

  • jjwd

    @timusbr said...

    Maybe I have developed a little thicker skin. Boy and clear out someone’s bankroll is not fighting words or words to make me think its an issue.

    I understand what you’re saying. It just makes me sad to see RG members tearing each other apart. I’ve done it myself in the past, but I’ve learned my lesson. I see it too often, here and in the chat… things could be better. Sure, the OP was abrasive, so perhaps there’s some grey area in this case. But personal attacks and bombastic infighting don’t look good to an outside observer who wants to understand the DFS community. We know that some site reps browse the forums from time to time… ideally the forums would be a constructive place. Just my opinion.

  • jmo26

    @VinnyT87 said...

    In the long run, winners win, look at Trump. You can bend the rules like Crooked Hillary and cheat your way into some extra cash from time to time, but in the end it’ll catch up to you.

    Like I said… you lost me at “cucked.”

  • Evil_Genius

    I don’t think the argument is that it takes the skill out of the game and adds an element of luck. I think the argument should be that it levels the playing field between all teams and players on a given slate by capping potential minutes played. There is an example in the gambling neighborhood which does this already and that is when betting on soccer. The outcome of the bet is final at the end of regulation, regardless if the match goes into extra time.

  • Blahaaron

    That Vinny fella sure is an odd one for bringing Trump into his “woe is me, I can’t win so the rules must be unfair to me and should be changed” tantrum. I don’t want to turn this into a flame war so I’ll just part with this:

  • Blahaaron

    @jjwd said...

    I understand what you’re saying. It just makes me sad to see RG members tearing each other apart. I’ve done it myself in the past, but I’ve learned my lesson. I see it too often, here and in the chat… things could be better. Sure, the OP was abrasive, so perhaps there’s some grey area in this case. But personal attacks and bombastic infighting don’t look good to an outside observer who wants to understand the DFS community. We know that some site reps browse the forums from time to time… ideally the forums would be a constructive place. Just my opinion.

    The DFS community isn’t different than any others. Human nature doesn’t change depending on the topic of the board. There will always be some conflicts. I’ve belonged to many forums and this is by far one of the most civil. You have nothing to worry about.

  • yisman

    same argument for betting

    logically spreads and totals should be regulation only

    can’t handicap overtime

    I really wish sports would just do ties and not have OT unless absolutely necessary.

    Soccer betting for example. Spreads/totals are for 90 minutes only. If a cup match goes to extra time, it doesn’t count.

    Makes no sense to bet a team +6, they tie the other team, and then lose by 7 in OT and you lose the bet.

  • Blahaaron

    @yisman said...

    same argument for betting

    logically spreads and totals should be regulation only

    can’t handicap overtime

    I really wish sports would just do ties and not have OT unless absolutely necessary.

    Soccer betting for example. Spreads/totals are for 90 minutes only. If a cup match goes to extra time, it doesn’t count.

    Makes no sense to bet a team +6, they tie the other team, and then lose by 7 in OT and you lose the bet.

    I’m curious about NHL and Playoffs overtime. I didn’t do draft kings that much for money last year so I didn’t pay attention much but I imagine for picking a goalie you could get a lot more points if you pick a game that’s likely to go into OT . Might that have been a reason for you to pick certain players?

  • fightingjohn

    @jjwd said...

    You’re confused. I’m talking about the post where the OP was called “boy”, and that same poster encouraged others to “clean his bankroll.” Seems like that’s an obvious violation of forum posting rule #1: “Members will be courteous and respectful to other members and the moderators. No direct or indirect personal attacks or insults of any kind will be allowed. Posts which antagonize, belittle or humiliate other members and/or the moderators will not be tolerated.” I respect bhdevault, but RG clearly doesn’t enforce this rule in the forums, and it’s a mistake imo.

    Seriously!!!! You think I violated a rule by using “boy” and “clean his bankroll”….

  • Fetty7132

    I’m sure overtime games have helped you in the pasr

  • KindGuy

    @Evil_Genius said...

    I don’t think the argument is that it takes the skill out of the game and adds an element of luck. I think the argument should be that it levels the playing field between all teams and players on a given slate by capping potential minutes played. There is an example in the gambling neighborhood which does this already and that is when betting on soccer. The outcome of the bet is final at the end of regulation, regardless if the match goes into extra time.

    This is a great point.

    NBA is the sport that needs this change the most. Sure, OT helps in other sports but not to the degree of NBA. In baseball, extra inning games that go to 17 innings are usually low scoring affairs with a bunch of singles and low value events. NFL is essentially a sudden death and likewise doesn’t add much scoring. NBA is a completely different beast. 5 extra minutes is like 20 more possessions. It can turn into a mess when there is multiple over time periods. I still remember a couple of seasons ago when the Bulls and Pistons went to triple overtime. All the winning GPP scores were game stacks. If only regulation was counted, those lineups probably don’t even min cash. Nobody dies research assuming OT happens. We research for what we think will happen in the allotted 48 minutes. That’s why we research rotations, minute patterns, etc. first DFS site that gets rid of OT in NBA gets all my business.

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    Honestly this whole debate is pretty dumb. It’s a random event that long term doesn’t change your equity/edge in any GPPs as it will help/hurt everyone equally over a long sample.

  • River2009

    @elementasrat said...

    This is a great point.

    NBA is the sport that needs this change the most. Sure, OT helps in other sports but not to the degree of NBA. In baseball, extra inning games that go to 17 innings are usually low scoring affairs with a bunch of singles and low value events. NFL is essentially a sudden death and likewise doesn’t add much scoring. NBA is a completely different beast. 5 extra minutes is like 20 more possessions. It can turn into a mess when there is multiple over time periods. I still remember a couple of seasons ago when the Bulls and Pistons went to triple overtime. All the winning GPP scores were game stacks. If only regulation was counted, those lineups probably don’t even min cash. Nobody dies research assuming OT happens. We research for what we think will happen in the allotted 48 minutes. That’s why we research rotations, minute patterns, etc. first DFS site that gets rid of OT in NBA gets all my business.

    Just like OT, nobody does research assuming a player will get hurt. It’s apart of the game sucks when it hurts you but it’s sweet when it helps you.

  • boognish22

    @VinnyT87 said...

    The whole DvP vs. position thing is really old and you’re gonna lose money in the long run thinking like that. Much better off looking at matches and defense vs. play type, but keep on thinking that way and I’ll be happy to take money off you in the long run. He was a bad pick for a lot of reasons last night, But he was mainly a bad pick because he put 45 Fantasy points up in 48 minutes at 10,900 on FanDuel. If that game ends in regulation, you don’t make money. He was also a bad play because there were much better options for cheaper like Lowry, CP3, even Dame LIllard (though he didn’t pan out), that would have enabled you to pay up in other areas and not be handicapped by WB’s 10,900 price tag.

    It’s alright though, the losers won last night and undeservingly came into more money than they should. Just means more money for me to take off them tonight and this weekend. In the long run, winners win, look at Trump. You can bend the rules like Crooked Hillary and cheat your way into some extra cash from time to time, but in the end it’ll catch up to you.

    LOL you mean the guy who colluded with Russia to rig the election? BUT THE EMAILLLSLLSLS!!!!!

    I’m sure when Dictator Putin begins his reign in 2020, Hilldawg will get hers.

  • Olhausen

    @jokerswild22 said...

    Extra Innings in baseball severely tips the scale.

    But I agree, let’s take out overtime because noone can predict a close game.

    Also can we elimate all games that become blowouts?

    Those are the only 2 non skill factors. It’s much more skillfull to select backups for guys you know are getting injured or scratched after lock.

    Come on man, don’t be ridiculous lol. “Smartly fade Russell Westbrook

    Lol. Telling someone not to be ridiculous while posting ridiculous information. Extra innings baseball is no where near the same as overtime in basketball. Yes on rare occasions two teams in baseball go back and forth with scoring but it is rare. Most of the time if teams go 12-15 innings or more it is because neither of them are scoring runs. You also have the fact that if the home team scores one run more then the away team the game is over instantly. Regardless I believe much more skill would be involved if the sites did away with overtime of all sports. I really think all luck involved stats should be eliminated from Dfs. Things Like pitcher wins, kickers and even defense in football should all be eliminated. I only say defense because pick sixes are rewarded so much yet so hard to predict.

  • Gathman78

    Cucked, Trump and Hillary….who are you REALLY mad at here???

  • KindGuy

    @River2009 said...

    Just like OT, nobody does research assuming a player will get hurt. It’s apart of the game sucks when it hurts you but it’s sweet when it helps you.

    Right, but the sites can easily just include regulation. There’s really no grey area. Just end it after 48 minutes. What do you suggest the sites do for injured players that would be fair to everyone? There’s really nothing that can appease everyone in that situation. If the sites say beforehand that they’ll only count regulation (48 minutes), people can’t complain.

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