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  • Mphst18

    I am using the analysis of data to draw a conclusion and ask questions in the alleged scenario (the data is not alleged it is actual data). My views are not to be interpreted as fact but to allow individuals to determine if they feel they are playing a game with integrity or one that is monitoring for violations of entry limits and rules.

    Is this a form of circumventing Entry limits and or an alternate form of multi accounting (regardless of if they are actually two individuals)

    If two brothers or individuals take 50% of each others winnings and agree to risk the same amount every night (enter the same contests with the same number of entries) is this a violation guidelines/rule. Of note they may not technically be “pooling entry fees” as brother A does not send brother B any money for entry fees they just sum up or net profit at the end of the night and reconcile.

    They max enter every gpp mlb contest (for the max entries below 150 they don’t overlap entries (they may also not overlap for 150 but I am not digging through all that data as DK supposedly has a game integrity department that is supposed to be monitoring this stuff).

    Let’s look at 9/13 2016 data, the data for 9/6 shows the same as well and we can look at 9/20 data when that’s available: (my guess here it’s the same every day but just taking the Tue slates as that’s the big prize for DK)

    MLB $600K Power Hitter ($444, 45 max) – Chipolteaddict 45 entries, papagates 45 entries no lineup overlap

    MLB $30K Warning Track ($150, 3 max) – Chipolteaddict 3 entries, papagates 3 entries no lineup overlap

    MLB $5K Deep Mini Moonshot ($3, 50 max) – Chipolteaddict 50 entries, papagates 50 entries no lineup overlap

    MLB $10K Slider ($3, 3max) – Chipolteaddict 3 entries, papagates 3 entries no lineup overlap

    MLB $150K Payoff Pitch ($27, 150 max) – Chipolteaddict 150 entries, papagates 150 entries (I am not digging through 150 to determine overlap or not, other people are supposedly paid to do this)

  • eforsty

    You would think DK would have learned something from last year’s debacle, guess not. These community guidelines are just lip service if these outlined behaviors that should be “unacceptable” are actually acceptable. Not a good look, doubt this will just blow over.

  • barflyjosh18

    why do you think DK lowered the amount of entries you could toss into a GPP? your ROI skyrockets when you can have 300 lineups in a big NFL GPP. It isnt fair to guys like me who toss in 40-60 lineups and yes I know I can take my basketball home and not play. All I ask for is an even playing field where we all have a chance to win. These guys are in a grey area giving themselves a huge advantage over everyone else.

  • TwoSHAE

    @xplorin16 said...

    that big of advantage

    let me stop you right there.

  • TwoSHAE

    @barflyjosh18 said...

    your ROI skyrockets when you can have 300 lineups in a big NFL GPP

    No it doesn’t.

  • xplorin16

    if increasing your number of lineups is all it takes to win then enter the max. if youre not willing to or cant afford to then just enter single entry tournies. This argument is as old as dfs. I find it intriguing that even now that the entries are limited to 150 you still see the same big names up top. Its not because they just throw a ton of lineups in its because they do their due diligence and research. I understand that most of you in this thread are bitching about gates/chipotle but there are other great players that are at the top of most gpps as well. Ehafner, stlcards, saahil, metrick, etc. These guys still win with the lower limited entries are they “colluding” or “circumventing” the rules too? Sounds to me most of you are just losing alot and have watched a few episodes of law and order and now are forum trolls with law degrees, haha.

    Face it there are some guys with bankrolls big enough to take the risk, time to do the research and are just plain better at this than most of us. Complaining to news outlets and such wont do anything but get dfs shut down quicker. In the mean time enter smaller gpps like the mini squeeze, mini line drive, single entries etc. and work on your own games to get better. Most of you act like the only reason these guys are consistently on top is because they can afford to max the entries. If thats the case put your money where your mouth is and make a large deposit and start making more lineups. I can guarantee that if you guys are not winning by entering 5,10, 25 lineups you will not win by entering 150 lineups, but please do so. More money for the rest of us.

  • xplorin16

    Alot of you bitch about “scripting” and “algos” well you realize rotogrinders offers a free lineup builder? Or you can pay for great services like Fantasy Labs, Rotowar, etc. They all have great projections and tools to mass enter and export via .csv. The tools are out there, are you utilizing them?

  • depalma13

    The two of them have 300 non duplicated entries in the DK Thursday NFL $500K Kickoff Special, all of them built around Shane Vereen.

    Well, we don’t get to see the players from today, so maybe there is a duplicate, but I highly doubt it.

  • deactivated60279

    oops I no we or whatever won 600 k. My opinion.

  • FFguru71

    What I find ironic, is that if these guys are so good(and I’m talking ALL the top guys), why don’t you ever see them in the single entry contests?? I can tell you why…because they know damn well that if they were limited to only one entry…they wouldn’t be very good at DFS. Period, there is no other reason. They don’t have the big advantage that way like they do with the ability to max enter the bg GPPs.Their advantages are simply, the bankroll to max enter all these contests, and the fact that they have built scripts/algorithms etc that basically spit out the names for them. If they had to rely on sheer intelligence of the sport to gain their advantage, they would fail miserably and they know it. Hence why you don’t see them in the single entry GPPs…god forbid they have to be at the same level as everyone else. I have said it a thousand times…why don’t one of these guys like Chipotle, or papgates put ONE entry in the DK milly or FD milly and see if they ever win it then?? If they were TRULY that good, they should be able to, right?? I mean other people single enter and win them, why not them?? Because they have no advantage that way. They like being “bullies” and that’s all their is to it. max entering is simply a my “di*k is bigger than yours” contest with them. They do it because they can, and they want the world to know they are able to. That’s it.

  • Mphst18

    From less then 12 months ago, just more history of the same thing.

    20 min 40 second mark. My brother is kinda my partner in all this.

    2 hour and 15 min mark to 2 hour and 22 mark with both brothers lots of we and us language as well as

    we also have a lineup in 30th

    we should have switched to the lions d.

    To be transparent they also state the same unconvincing claim referenced above in pg post.

    https://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/the-sweat-show-week-4

    If my friend (who I don’t have any share of his account or share lineups with or enter unique lineups with to have more than the allowed individual lineups) was in contention to win I would say I hope HE wins, HE also has a lineup in 30th, that play was good for HIM, HE should have switched to the Lions D.

  • donkshow

    @FFguru71 said...

    What I find ironic, is that if these guys are so good(and I’m talking ALL the top guys), why don’t you ever see them in the single entry contests?? I can tell you why…because they know damn well that if they were limited to only one entry…they wouldn’t be very good at DFS. Period, there is no other reason. They don’t have the big advantage that way like they do with the ability to max enter the bg GPPs.Their advantages are simply, the bankroll to max enter all these contests, and the fact that they have built scripts/algorithms etc that basically spit out the names for them. If they had to rely on sheer intelligence of the sport to gain their advantage, they would fail miserably and they know it. Hence why you don’t see them in the single entry GPPs…god forbid they have to be at the same level as everyone else. I have said it a thousand times…why don’t one of these guys like Chipotle, or papgates put ONE entry in the DK milly or FD milly and see if they ever win it then?? If they were TRULY that good, they should be able to, right?? I mean other people single enter and win them, why not them?? Because they have no advantage that way. They like being “bullies” and that’s all their is to it. max entering is simply a my “di*k is bigger than yours” contest with them. They do it because they can, and they want the world to know they are able to. That’s it.

    No, they max enter because they can make a lot of money. You’re completely delusional if you think they are only good because they max enter.

  • realking

    I hope DK addresses this. In the meantime, papagates/chipotleaddict and all you other MME guys please keep doing what you doing so that I can enjoy those massive gpps you guys fund. Thank you!

  • Bighouse55

    The corruption is getting insane in this industry. The sites seem to be in bed with many of the big players. When this blows up the 30 for 30 will boggle our minds

  • dchapell

    @FFguru71 said...

    What I find ironic, is that if these guys are so good(and I’m talking ALL the top guys), why don’t you ever see them in the single entry contests?? I can tell you why…because they know damn well that if they were limited to only one entry…they wouldn’t be very good at DFS. Period, there is no other reason. They don’t have the big advantage that way like they do with the ability to max enter the bg GPPs.Their advantages are simply, the bankroll to max enter all these contests, and the fact that they have built scripts/algorithms etc that basically spit out the names for them. If they had to rely on sheer intelligence of the sport to gain their advantage, they would fail miserably and they know it. Hence why you don’t see them in the single entry GPPs…god forbid they have to be at the same level as everyone else. I have said it a thousand times…why don’t one of these guys like Chipotle, or papgates put ONE entry in the DK milly or FD milly and see if they ever win it then?? If they were TRULY that good, they should be able to, right?? I mean other people single enter and win them, why not them?? Because they have no advantage that way. They like being “bullies” and that’s all their is to it. max entering is simply a my “di*k is bigger than yours” contest with them. They do it because they can, and they want the world to know they are able to. That’s it.

    Concur, that’s why I only enter SE for the most part – I don’t cash all the time, but I’m not a pro.

  • KYwins9

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    I would like to see some type of statement/resolution issued by Draftkings. There is way to much evidence to ignore the issue. I can really see all this blowing up if this isn’t nipped in the bud soon. It’s been going on way way to long without anything directly being said, Draftkings issued their guidelines once upon a time and this is clearly a violation of those guidelines. I know there is others out there cheating/ multi-accounting, etc. but these guys are blatantly doing this right in front of us.

  • osuryanf

    I really hate how negative this thread is going to be now. On the flip side of that, I’d just like to personally congratulate papagates on a huge day!

    People act like putting in 150 lineups is guaranteed money. Trust me, it’s not. I had 100 lineups into the Millionaire Maker myself and besides one that finished around 300, none other were even in the top 5000. Even if I would have had 100-200 more lineups I still wouldn’t of had a shot at winning, my core wasn’t good. It takes time, talent, RESEARCH galore, and picking a core group you have faith in and if they go off — well, enjoy! If not, you get back to the drawing board.

    Success always brings hate.

  • donkshow

    @osuryanf said...

    I really hate how negative this thread is going to be now. On the flip side of that, I’d just like to personally congratulate papagates on a huge day!

    People act like putting in 150 lineups is guaranteed money. Trust me, it’s not. I had 100 lineups into the Millionaire Maker myself and besides one that finished around 300, none other were even in the top 5000. Even if I would have had 100-200 more lineups I still wouldn’t of had a shot at winning, my core wasn’t good. It takes time, talent, RESEARCH galore, and picking a core group you have faith in and if they go off — well, enjoy! If not, you get back to the drawing board.

    Success always brings hate.

    People refuse to realize that entering this many teams and crushing still takes a lot of skill. If you have a tight core and it goes off, you win a lot of money. If it doesn’t, you lose a lot of money. However, nobody pays attention to the nights these guys get dumbied and lose tens of thousands of dollars. They only pay attention and care when they win.

  • osuryanf

    @donkshow said...

    People refuse to realize that entering this many teams and crushing still takes a lot of skill. If you have a tight core and it goes off, you win a lot of money. If it doesn’t, you lose a lot of money. However, nobody pays attention to the nights these guys get dumbied and lose tens of thousands of dollars. They only pay attention and care when they win.

    Exactly. I’ve had nights where I enter 4-5 lineups into a big GPP and finish WAY ahead of every one of their 150. Sometimes I enter 4-5 lineups and get destroyed by them. Is it something they did? Sure, they had great lineups obviously. But I’m not making excuses to the fact that my lineups were awful.

    If the majority of players take the nights they do poorly, study the lineups that tanked, study the lineups that won, determine what they could have done differently, then more players would see profit eventually start coming their way. Instead many players want to use the “well I got screwed! Such and such cheated! This game is rigged!’

  • KYwins9

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    Yeah, it still takes skill to pull down a gpp, everyone knows that. I don’t think anyone is hung up on that issue. It takes the perfect combo of skill and for everything to fall just right. The issue is every player should have the same particular rules to abide by, for some reason these guys do not have to abide by the same rules. Whether its the rake kickbacks the companies get for the massive entries between them or whatever. The point is everyone should follow same rules and quit finding loopholes.

  • osuryanf

    @KYwins9 said...

    Yeah, it still takes skill to pull down a gpp, everyone knows that. I don’t think anyone is hung up on that issue. It takes the perfect combo of skill and for everything to fall just right. The issue is every player should have the same particular rules to abide by, for some reason these guys do not have to abide by the same rules. Whether its the rake kickbacks the companies get for the massive entries between them or whatever. The point is everyone should follow same rules and quit finding loopholes.

    How can you prove that they’re breaking the rules? The guidelines state that the rules are only broken if you’re using another account to enter more entries to gain an unfair advantage.

    How can that be proved here? Papagates himself said that’s not how they do it, but, they do discuss strategy and players quite often to determine their cores. Do you not discuss your plays with anybody? Do you not have a friend/relative who also loves DFS that has talent that you discuss anything with?

    What I’m saying is —- if they’re just discussing lineups and entering around the same core of guys they both believe in, how is that breaking the rules? If they’re splitting profits right down the middle, obviously yes that would be a clear violation as they’re using 2 accounts for the same cause. But has this been proven? How can it be proven? Do you think when ChipotleAddict won the millionaire maker he gave half to his brother? I highly doubt that.

    Again, I just think this forum is quick to witch hunt. If they’re in clear violation of the rules and DK can prove that, absolutely they need punished. If they’re not and solely using each other’s brains to determine their cores then how the heck is that a violation?

  • Mphst18

    @osuryanf said...

    Do you think when ChipotleAddict won the millionaire maker he gave half to his brother? I highly doubt that

    Yes just like he is getting 300K today, but again this rule can be circumvented by just saying well I have 50% of his entries and he has 50% of my entries.

  • xplorin16

    @FFguru71 said...

    What I find ironic, is that if these guys are so good(and I’m talking ALL the top guys), why don’t you ever see them in the single entry contests?? I can tell you why…because they know damn well that if they were limited to only one entry…they wouldn’t be very good at DFS. Period, there is no other reason. They don’t have the big advantage that way like they do with the ability to max enter the bg GPPs.Their advantages are simply, the bankroll to max enter all these contests, and the fact that they have built scripts/algorithms etc that basically spit out the names for them. If they had to rely on sheer intelligence of the sport to gain their advantage, they would fail miserably and they know it. Hence why you don’t see them in the single entry GPPs…god forbid they have to be at the same level as everyone else. I have said it a thousand times…why don’t one of these guys like Chipotle, or papgates put ONE entry in the DK milly or FD milly and see if they ever win it then?? If they were TRULY that good, they should be able to, right?? I mean other people single enter and win them, why not them?? Because they have no advantage that way. They like being “bullies” and that’s all their is to it. max entering is simply a my “di*k is bigger than yours” contest with them. They do it because they can, and they want the world to know they are able to. That’s it.

    They enter single entries just as often as mme Gpps. They typically use their cash lineup. Trust me, they do very well in those.

    So if you think they aren’t good unlesss the mme then why are you not scooping every hth they post? Please do so and let us know how that works out for you.

    You could not be more wrong.

  • xplorin16

    Every person on here that has made the argument that entering 150 lineups is the only reason the heavyweights win try this, max out your entries in the quarter arcade then send us a screen shot of your first place finish. Lol

  • Mphst18

    @xplorin16 said...

    They enter single entries just as often as mme Gpps. They typically use their cash lineup. Trust me, they do very well in those.

    So if you think they aren’t good unlesss the mme then why are you not scooping every hth they post? Please do so and let us know how that works out for you.

    You could not be more wrong.

    The data shows that there is a larger diversity of winners when analyzing SE gpps VS ME gpps. So you can stop telling people they are wrong

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