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  • stlcardinals84

    Leading RG Analyst

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    Is there a market for this in the DFS world? I know the topic has come up in the past but generally gets ignored. Perhaps the growth of the industry would make this more viable?

    I’m not specifically trying to get into the market of doing this, but I think it’s worth a general discussion.

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  • theseige

    • 2015 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

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    I think there is a misconception in this thread and in most conversations in this area, everyone assumes everyone wants to become the super grinder.

    There are a lot of recreational players that play for the sweat that couldn’t ever imagine grinding at the level it would take to do this full-time. Would they pay a fee for lineup advice or coaching so they can get +ev lineups to sweat because they don’t have the time or don’t want to spend hours doing research? Absolutely. It exists in the poker world with training sites like TPE or Cardrunners that help make players go from unprofitable to profitable in low to mid stakes.

    No coach is going to turn someone into the next Condia/STL/Al_Smizzle etc, but could a coach help micro/low stakes guys go from unprofitable to profitable. Yes, and you don’t have to be a top 10 player ever to do that

  • durbinjag

    As a new player I would absolutely pay for this. I look at it this way. People everyday hire investment manager to manage their investment portfolio. If the manager performs you continue to work with him, and if he doesn’t you find someone new. For someone who has limited time to do research, and is new to DFS I see this as a very valuable thing. As for how much I’m not sure what a good fee would be, but I think it should be correlated to what you win. Just my thoughts. Good topic.

  • yaleg34

    @NYJetsfan2881 said...

    I don’t think it’s about entertaining themselves, it’s about making a profit. I don’t think anyone can actually be profitable over the long run without a sound process of developing a projection based algorithm. If you aren’t using one, you are just going by what others are saying and your own gut, which is almost certainly going to fail in the end. I at least acknowledge it and will just have fun until it does happen.

    Edit: For example, I subscribed to the incentives here and also another site that is really good. But it’s still just other people’s ideas and information. And it’s all information and ideas that other people are also paying for. So while I’m better off than the others that don’t have the incentives and other site, I’m still way behind those that have their own system. I’m still a fish, I’m just prolonging the part where the shark eats me.

    Finally someone gets it

  • AtGame7

    @tarheel66 said...

    Anyone who gets in this game of DFS and needs a coach needs to find other ways of entertaining themselves. You want to learn about Baseball ? You watch the games, you will get the idea after a month of watching. And you just saved $100 on training fees.

    Right from the word go when I picked up a golf club I could play the game, I could break 80 at age 14 from the men’s tees and shot a 67 before I had my driver’s license.

    Should I condemn people who need golf lessons to fix their swing and tell them they should take up bowling?

    I’ve watched countless hours of baseball in my life, doesn’t mean I know how to construct a DFS lineup.

  • astukas

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    @tarheel66 said...

    Anyone who gets in this game of DFS and needs a coach needs to find other ways of entertaining themselves. You want to learn about Baseball ? You watch the games, you will get the idea after a month of watching. And you just saved $100 on training fees.

    Better yet, dont watch a minute of baseball and you just saved yourself time and money. And you can still be profitable in baseball.

  • lagee

    @NYJetsfan2881 said...

    I don’t think it’s about entertaining themselves, it’s about making a profit. I don’t think anyone can actually be profitable over the long run without a sound process of developing a projection based algorithm. If you aren’t using one, you are just going by what others are saying and your own gut, which is almost certainly going to fail in the end. I at least acknowledge it and will just have fun until it does happen.

    Edit: For example, I subscribed to the incentives here and also another site that is really good. But it’s still just other people’s ideas and information. And it’s all information and ideas that other people are also paying for. So while I’m better off than the others that don’t have the incentives and other site, I’m still way behind those that have their own system. I’m still a fish, I’m just prolonging the part where the shark eats me.

    Way to be optimistic…

  • NYJetsfan2881

    @lagee said...

    Way to be optimistic…

    I prefer to be realistic. And you didn’t disagree with me lol.

  • Mswift69

    @durbinjag said...

    As a new player I would absolutely pay for this. I look at it this way. People everyday hire investment manager to manage their investment portfolio. If the manager performs you continue to work with him, and if he doesn’t you find someone new. For someone who has limited time to do research, and is new to DFS I see this as a very valuable thing. As for how much I’m not sure what a good fee would be, but I think it should be correlated to what you win. Just my thoughts. Good topic.

    +1

  • Kenjr911

    I have to agree completely with atgame7.

    My buddies and I had a pretty incredible year last year finishing in the top 20 of the TPOY and I know we could sure use some mid to higher level guidance and tutoring. And atgame7 even with our success/luck that we had last year we still feel lost most of the time when building and agreeing upon lineups!

    I don’t think we are currently in the market for a coach but I’d be interested in what type of terms you would have and I think given the nature of what rotogrinders is its an excellent topic.

    Would love to hear more and thanks

  • FkCoolers

    @NYJetsfan2881 said...

    I don’t think anyone can actually be profitable over the long run without a sound process of developing a projection based algorithm.

    Disagree … a lot. I think Smizzle and a couple others with proven track records have said they don’t use spreadsheets and custom algorithm methods.

    Plus, how will that always help unless you actually know what you’re doing? Many people make spreadsheets with formulas to aid in projections. Many people do more harm than good using this because they have written poor formulas that don’t arrive at good answers.

    Depending on how intuitive someone is to begin with, the complexity of their supplemental tools may not have to be too intense.

  • TheHoorse

    Hey guys I’m a coach! Lesson #1 pick players that don’t suck!!

    Lesson #2 next week!!!

  • TheHoorse

    @RikkiDee said...

    So all that continues to lead me to believe any pro offering private ‘coaching’ is making no money playing DFS

    For this reason I don’t coach

  • donkshow

    I would imagine it would make more sense for the “coach” to sell their daily spreadsheet/algorithm.

    Whether it’s the spreadsheet/algorithm that would have to be constantly update by the person receiving it, or simply a daily version of said spreadsheet, both would work. I’m sure you wouldn’t want to sell your algorithm in general, but if it relies on the other person updating a bunch of stuff daily, it might be worth it.

    Or, you could sell your daily spreadsheet that the algorithm pops out, however the person receiving it only sees the names/numbers and no formulas, etc. This could be the best way for both. Allow the “student” to still create their own lineups, but they have a great base to go from.

    I still think selling individual lineups makes no sense unless you did something like Oreo said. Stay under $200 GPP’s and avoid my cash games.

  • tomac

    @astukas said...

    Better yet, dont watch a minute of baseball and you just saved yourself time and money. And you can still be profitable in baseball.

    So much easier to take this approach in hockey…

  • TakeTheOver

    Great Thread! Coming from a recreational poker background, I have attended poker camps and read many poker books. This training is helpful in offering info to speed up ones learning curve and to teach how one should think when posed with different scenarios.

    I am hooked on NBA DFS but have no fantasy b-ball experience. Learning curve is steep and many deposits have occurred despite only playing $1/2 GPP’s, H2H, and 50/50’s. The results prove I am not doing something correctly but have no idea what that is.

    Coming from a poker background where you see the same names routinely at the top, I know they “are not the luckiest guys on the planet” and assume that is the same on DFS. So the frequent winners on DFS have some marketable skill/knowledge others would find of value. How to disseminate and monetize this without hurting their edge has to be determined.

  • Bondzai

    @fadein34 said...

    Everyone could use a DFS friend to bounce ideas off of.

    Who wants to be my DFS friend? :)

  • astukas

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    @tomac said...

    So much easier to take this approach in hockey…

    Works for all sports.

  • Digglesauce

    I think there is definitely a market for this. I for one would be interested.

    I’m the guy that is in 10 different fantasy leagues a year for each sport and have a great track record. Been taking old guys money since I was 12 in fantasy/CBB pools. Also have done sports betting on NBA. I am 27 now and just found DFS this year. Whole different animal, but I’m not looking back.

    Unfortunately even with the free tools out there, I feel like I am behind the curve a bit because I just got in this year.

  • Digglesauce

    The convention would be huge as well. I go to conventions/tradeshows all the time for work.

    I could imagine a convention with TPOY ranked speakers giving seminars on GPP strategy and booths that sell projection systems and coaching. I would certainly attend lol.

    I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard for the DFS community to come up with a couple thousand strong with the goal to degen in Vegas for a weekend.

  • TakeTheOver

    @Digglesauce said...

    The convention would be huge as well. I go to conventions/tradeshows all the time for work.

    I could imagine a convention with TPOY ranked speakers giving seminars on GPP strategy and booths that sell projection systems and coaching. I would certainly attend lol.

    I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard for the DFS community to come up with a couple thousand strong with the goal to degen in Vegas for a weekend.

    Sounds like a business opportunity for Rotogrinders……

  • TakeTheOver

    Actually a convention in Vegas during World Series of Poker?

  • AtGame7

    @Digglesauce said...

    I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard for the DFS community to come up with a couple thousand strong with the goal to degen in Vegas for a weekend.

    I’m in.

  • JEFFRAMBO

    @Digglesauce said...

    The convention would be huge as well. I go to conventions/tradeshows all the time for work.

    I could imagine a convention with TPOY ranked speakers giving seminars on GPP strategy and booths that sell projection systems and coaching. I would certainly attend lol.

    I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard for the DFS community to come up with a couple thousand strong with the goal to degen in Vegas for a weekend.

    A DFS Seminar is currently in the works for 2015. I do not want to post the details here without RG’s permission, but feel free to PM me your e-mail address and I’ll forward the details once I have them.

  • Putz

    @JEFFRAMBO said...

    A DFS Seminar is currently in the works for 2015. I do not want to post the details here without RG’s permission, but feel free to PM me your e-mail address and I’ll forward the details once I have them.

    It seems like there are several groups starting DFS seminars or bootcamps, including people who are part of this site, DK, and DD. According to some websites, the spin is that subscriptions services are for beginners, these seminars are to get to the expert level. Not sure one or two days will do that vs. a consistent coach or some other frequent reinforcement of skills/lessons.

  • ldigeorge

    @StL, if you were looking to monetize something like this, I think the way to do it is through a “university” type setting.

    Offer Classes on Lineup Building, DvP, Differentiation between cash lineups and GPP lineups.

    I think you’d be able to charge a flat rate with e-mail support. You may catch more people that way. I can’t help but think of the people selling lineups on twitter all damned day.

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