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  • 1971hof

    My first time starting a thread.

    COURSE: Golf Club of Houston (Tournament), 7,441 yards, par 72. The 2005 Rees Jones design, with David Toms consulting, earns praise for its ability to replicate Augusta National’s setup in the final days leading to the Masters. Built across a wooded landscape in Houston’s suburbs, Jones took care to preserve the natural lakes and wetlands throughout the layout. Since landing the pre-Masters slot on the schedule in 2007, though, club officials have done well to deliver shaved banks, collection areas around the greens and a Stimpmeter reading of 13 or more.

    FIELD WATCH: FedExCup leader Jimmy Walker, Jordan Spieth and Patrick Reed – Texans all in the top 15 of the Official World Golf Ranking – head up a field that includes 15 of the top 30 in this week’s computations. … World No.2 Henrik Stenson is the highest ranked in the lineup, joined by No.6 Spieth, No.8 Sergio Garcia and No.10 Justin Rose. … Anirban Lahiri, twice a European Tour winner this year, and former British Open champ Darren Clarke are among several international players using Houston as a Masters tuneup.

  • huitcinq

    no Henrik Studson eh, that makes things a little less interesting

  • 1971hof

    @Mresq said...

    Henrik Stenson has withdrawn from the SHO due to illness!

    I predict at least 5% ownership everywhere but DK because they warn people.

  • vonxn

    rpolzin25 this is awesome! Thanks for the hardwork. I’m going to try PGA DFS for the first time this week and this will be a huge help!

  • 1971hof

    Another unpublished and not viewable in the lobby DK $1000 Freeroll. All credit goes to the original poster on Reddit.

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/draftteam/5301824?showPrizePop=False&showFppEntryPop=False&gatewayTemplateSetId=696

  • 1971hof

    Freeroll from PGADFS.com. Top 5 get $20 ticket to the Masters Million on DraftKings. Verified that you don’t need to be a member of their website.

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/draftteam/5301953

  • Putz

    @huitcinq said...

    Nice post I was having that exact argument the other week.

    The hypothesis in that blog is not what the the argument was and not what the data showed. In fact, the data in that blog showed that more 5-man teams cashed than 7-man teams in that sample set. 50% more 6-man teams cashed than 7-man. This shows that top 5 players are all that is relevant, and those 5 man teams that cashed likely had better players than the best 5 from those 7-mans, likely due to punts allowing higher ranked golfers. 7-man teams having a higher % of cashes than 5-man teams was not the argument. Sure, having 7 is ideal.

  • sportsgrinder

    • Blogger of the Month

    I agree that the 5 man teams that cashed probably had their punts pay off allowing them to roster some additional “studs”. But a significantly greater number of those risk/reward plays didn’t pan out as evidenced by only 27% of those 5 man teams being able to cash.

    My point was that creating a balanced lineup that gives me 6 or 7 opportunities for great finishes(scores) is far better than being dependent on 5 players having to play great and getting lucky on my punts. I thought it would be helpful for some to consider a more balanced lineup as we discussed this weeks options in the Shell!

    As to not totally derail the thread away of from discussion of this specific event, maybe those interested could continue the discussion on the blog comments.

  • Daj5mg

    @Putz said...

    The hypothesis in that blog is not what the the argument was and not what the data showed. In fact, the data in that blog showed that more 5-man teams cashed than 7-man teams in that sample set. 50% more 6-man teams cashed than 7-man. This shows that top 5 players are all that is relevant, and those 5 man teams that cashed likely had better players than the best 5 from those 7-mans, likely due to punts allowing higher ranked golfers. 7-man teams having a higher % of cashes than 5-man teams was not the argument. Sure, having 7 is ideal.

    Lol – this is wrong on so many levels.

  • Putz

    @Daj5mg said...

    Lol – this is wrong on so many levels.

    Produce some stats. I can pull out #‘s to help an argument too. 25>20. No? The only thing wrong is the original argument. No one argued that the % of 5-mans cashing is better than the % of 7-man cashing. That is obvious and everyone would prefer all 7 making the cut. The debate was the around the statement that spots 6 and 7 are irrelevant after the cut, which this blog did not address. Your top 5 needs to beat the other person’s top 5. FACT. All other golfers accumulating scores are irrelevant, just as getting 0 for those two empty spots is also irrelevant.

  • jdtrey22

    If anyone of you didnt find last week fun id fade this week. It will probably be worse

  • gordmania

    @zpruitt3 said...

    No, but the difference in wind speeds from last week in the morning compared to afternoon it was only about a 5 mph difference (just as tough!). I just think there was an advantage to the guys teeing off later to calculate wind speeds and see how the course was playing throughout the morning. I calculated the numbers and there was a 2 shot differential in scoring average for the morning tee times vs the afternoon.

    the difference was two fold. first, the afternoon slowly got less wind as the day went on. 5-8 mph less. second, the morning had extreme gust warnings. so while the ball was in flight, an extra gust would come in and really screw with whatever distance you had. so balls were going longer, shorter, left and right. if the wind isn’t consistent, it becomes pretty much impossible to gauge proper distance.

  • dockay

    What time does DK and Victiv lock the lineups? 5am day of or 6am day of?

  • Mindgame247

    DK = 6 am EST
    Victiv = 7 am EST

  • 10Beers

    @dockay said...

    What time does DK and Victiv lock the lineups? 5am day of or 6am day of?

    they change it when the tee times come out…usually Tuesday evening. When they set the pricing it usually defaults to 6 am ET.

  • Mindgame247

    @tschaf said...

    they change it when the tee times come out…usually Tuesday evening. When they set the pricing it usually defaults to 6 am ET.

    I was not aware of that, good to know.

    Disclaimer: the times I posted above are the times currently listed and may be subject to change.

  • 10Beers

    @zpruitt3 said...

    No, but the difference in wind speeds from last week in the morning compared to afternoon it was only about a 5 mph difference (just as tough!). I just think there was an advantage to the guys teeing off later to calculate wind speeds and see how the course was playing throughout the morning. I calculated the numbers and there was a 2 shot differential in scoring average for the morning tee times vs the afternoon.

    There were a couple variables, one already mentioned above by Gord. That being the gusts were significantly different, even though the sustained didn’t subside as drastically. The other variable that the early wave had was temps in the low 60’s. That combo was absolutely brutal for the early guys, which we clearly saw in the scores.

    Basically this was a drastic example of how weather can influence the outcome. In the absence of such extremes, historically, the am tee times score slightly better. There are numerous reasons such as smoother greens, generally better weather and less distraction from crowds that grow throughout the day.

  • rpolzin25

    Is it just me or does it seem a lot harder to make a stars/scrubs lineup on victiv that you like? I can’t seem to make a lineup I like with more than 1 guy at 10k or greater in one lineup. I could see maybe fitting in reed and kuchar but prices seem significantly tighter than they have been.

  • huitcinq

    Looks like Jimmy Walker is out. With both him and Stenson out we’ll definitely see some high ownership %s amongst the studs.

  • Mresq

    @huitcinq said...

    Looks like Jimmy Walker is out. With both him and Stenson out we’ll definitely see some high ownership %s amongst the studs.

    Sucks they are out, but this will be exciting for the guys still vying for a spot in The Masters

  • 1971hof

    @huitcinq said...

    Looks like Jimmy Walker is out. With both him and Stenson out we’ll definitely see some high ownership %s amongst the studs.

    Read yesterday that the weather is gonna suck. Guys that are playing in the Masters don’t want to deal with that the week before a major tournament. Could see more withdrawals and if a player gets off to a rough start then a phantom injury withdrawal might happen too. Good week to lay low. Although Victiv upped the size and tickets rewarded in their Green Jacket satellites. They must be worried about that $200 tourney filling or something.

  • 1971hof

    On second thought there could be a lot of people rostering Stenson and Walker. Definitely a week to watch for late withdrawals and overlay.

    Looks like the first tee time is 8:20am on the East coast. I’ll be up by then anyways.

  • 1971hof

    John Peterson is out too according to Rotoworld. He’s been a high owned value play recently. Gonna be lots of dead rosters out there this week.

  • rpolzin25

    @1971hof said...

    John Peterson is out too according to Rotoworld. He’s been a high owned value play recently. Gonna be lots of dead rosters out there this week.

    Link?, I am not seeing this on rotoworld.

  • Ron46

    http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/shell-houston-open/tee-times.html

  • 1971hof

    @rpolzin25 said...

    Link?, I am not seeing this on rotoworld.

    Read it under Latest News

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/gol/1776/john-peterson

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