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  • dmoen21

    RAWA is a dangerous start to the federal government undoing the significant progress several states have made in the arena of online gaming. Do not think for a second that RAWA only targets online casino games such as poker. If it passes, it is only a matter of time before fantasy sports become a thing of the past.”

    Although it doesn’t specifically mention DFS, I think the writer of this article is correct that if this RAWA bill passes, it would not be a good sign for DFS.

    http://www.atlredline.com/republicans-renew-effort-to-outlaw-internet-poker-1684456385/+barryap

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @Joe1Coal said...

    Yeah, your vote doesn’t mean anything, that is why the Dems don’t run the senate or the house….so, let’s just keep on perpetuating that misconception of reality. Does 1 single vote mean anything? No. But if you get enough people to think that 1 vote doesn’t matter, you get what we have now – apathy.

    Amen. And now you have the Democrats kissing the same butt for the same money. The old white folks at the churches and country clubs showed up in 2010 and 2014. The young thought they would just join the Obama hype in 2008 and 2012 and call it a day. Ask if someone know their Congressional delegation. At my age you hear crickets.

    The former is why we have to convince nitwits like that State Senator in WA that DFS is legit. I would not want to know would what could happen if we had to do the same with our parochial State Houses here in PA which is far more conservative than WA and probably a lot older.

  • ddmcd1974

    @PJGuin23 said...

    A lesson many younger people didn’t learn last year. The older, richer and more conservative whites got their way because the rest of us “couldn’t be bothered” or “it doesn’t matter”. All I have to say is no politician will touch the ever so “Socalist” Social Security for old people but bet your ass they are messing with student aid and
    birth control. DFS could very well be on the menu with the clowns the old whites just elected!

    I come from a blue collar Irish Catholic family where many once they got theirs( job security, SSI and Medicare), they went Republican despite being in unions.

    This could be the dumbest statement I’ve read on this forum. It’s littered with garbage. Calling social security socialist is completely whack. Have you looked at your paycheck anytime in the past however many years you’ve worked? Have you ever researched what happens to the monies that come out of that check for SS? Do you understand what socialist means? If so you’d know your original statement doesn’t equal up. Finally your statement about old white conservative guys doesn’t even deserve the dignity of a retort but I’ll give it to you. It’s weak. And pathetic. I think you need to research a little to see the age and demographics of those newly elected to both parties. Again once you research a little you’ll see your original post is trash.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @ddmcd1974 said...

    This could be the dumbest statement I’ve read on this forum. It’s littered with garbage. Calling social security socialist is completely whack. Have you looked at your paycheck anytime in the past however many years you’ve worked? Have you ever researched what happens to the monies that come out of that check for SS? Do you understand what socialist means? If so you’d know your original statement doesn’t equal up. Finally your statement about old white conservative guys doesn’t even deserve the dignity of a retort but I’ll give it to you. It’s weak. And pathetic. I think you need to research a little to see the age and demographics of those newly elected to both parties. Again once you research a little you’ll see your original post is trash.

    I know a lot of monies come out of SSI but for most people their contributions are eaten up within 2-3 years of retirement. I’m 35 and I’ll be lucky if I see a dime by the age of 80. There’s an element of Socialism there. Let’s call it for what it is.

    Hit a nerve didn’t I? I paid tens of thousands in Federal taxes and did I get a dime of my student loan interest deducted? No.The tax system is FTBO the old and the rich. Anyone can play the game of “I don’t want to pay taxes for XYZ.” My point is younger apathy is now sending issues like student aid and birth control overboard and DFS could be on the chopping block. These politicians know they can use DFS as a way to score points with people who want to restrict personal freedoms. And they do exist!

  • CrazyGabey

    @AtGame7 said...

    Where can I contribute to your campaign? I mean, outside of taking your 50/50 action.

    Just knowing I have your support is enough.

  • BigSekC

    DFS is a self regulated industry. Trust no one.

  • Taterchipdip

    First of all they wont include DFS in this bill because its not gambling. Besides that the NFL were the ones who put in fantasy sports exemptions in the uigea republican backed bill of 2006.

    Stop getting your panties bunched up over nothing. Another boring thread from someone who is both a worry wort and very naive.

  • CeeGee

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    I don’t understand why the Gov. would want to ban DFS?

    Whats the point? We pay taxes on winnings, thats all that should matter

  • WhiskeyTavon4

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    The government could generate billions of dollars of tax revenue if they legalized any number of things people are already doing. What is a game of skill and what is gambling and what is legal and illegal are just re-purposed questions and their answers simply depend on what special interest groups and corporations line which politicians pockets to get results.

  • whits23

    2010 FFFC Finalist, 2010 DFBC Finalist, 2011 FFFC Finalist, 2014 DSBC Finalist

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    if you vote depending on how you want fantasy to go you are making a big mistake..i think there are bigger issues

  • MTro86

    RG Writer

    @WhiskeyTavon4 said...

    The government could generate billions of dollars of tax revenue if they legalized any number of things people are already doing. What is a game of skill and what is gambling and what is legal and illegal are just re-purposed questions and their answers simply depend on what special interest groups and corporations line which politicians pockets to get results.

    This is basically it. Unethical politicians have to pay back the backers who buy their political office for them. There are also those who are doing these things for what they perceive to be ethical reasons (save the children and those who can’t save themselves) who are suckered in by these backers who fool them into thinking they have the same idealistic values. Mostly it’s old rich white guys who want more money and power for themselves though.

  • dan72

    But the key thing with DFS is that have partners and investors who are billions dollar companies and have tons of good lawyers and lobbyists. Also none of these companies would have invested in DFS unless their team of lawyers looked at everything and said there was virtually no legal risk with DFS.

  • MTro86

    RG Writer

    No legal risk with current laws doesn’t mean they can’t change the laws to suit their wants and needs in the future.

  • AtGame7

    @whits23 said...

    if you vote depending on how you want fantasy to go you are making a big mistake..i think there are bigger issues

    Here’s someone who gets it.

  • dan72

    @MTro86 said...

    No legal risk with current laws doesn’t mean they can’t change the laws to suit their wants and needs in the future.

    Yes. But I am sure legal teams from billion dollar companies looked at that possibility too. There were a lot of different legal teams that had to sign-off on this aspect before these companies made their investment and if they ended being wrong they know they are getting fired.

    Also the states are looking for things to tax. Not less.

    These are the difference between DFS And poker. Smart partnerships with billion dollar companies and taxes are being paid.

  • xMiami2Ibiza

    or you all can just move to canada. seems to be the easiest way around all of this. we’ve got world class cities, super-long waits at our public health facilities, cold-as-balls weather, no NFL team, and really high income tax….but on the bright side no imminent threat to DFS.

    we also have mike myers, andrew wiggins, wayne gretzky, poutine, and trailer park boys. what more could you need for a perfect blissful existence?

  • AtGame7

    @xMiami2Ibiza said...

    or you all can just move to canada. seems to be the easiest way around all of this. we’ve got world class cities, super-long waits at our public health facilities, cold-as-balls weather, no NFL team, and really high income tax

    I’m guess your application to work for the tourism board got rejected?

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @dan72 said...

    Yes. But I am sure legal teams from billion dollar companies looked at that possibility too. There were a lot of different legal teams that had to sign-off on this aspect before these companies made their investment and if they ended being wrong they know they are getting fired.

    Also the states are looking for things to tax. Not less.

    These are the difference between DFS And poker. Smart partnerships with billion dollar companies and taxes are being paid.

    You would think common sense would say legalize and tax more things such as sports betting (Bovada) and marijuana but they’re not. There’s always some concerned stroller mom or Baptist group that thinks otherwise and they have their own teams of lawyers and talking heads on FOX News like Mike Hickabee, I mean Huckabee.

  • dmoen21

    @Taterchipdip said...

    First of all they wont include DFS in this bill because its not gambling. Besides that the NFL were the ones who put in fantasy sports exemptions in the uigea republican backed bill of 2006.

    Stop getting your panties bunched up over nothing. Another boring thread from someone who is both a worry wort and very naive.

    I said right in the original post that DFS is not a part of this bill. My point was that if they start banning those other forms of gambling, DFS could be next. I don’t personally believe that it will, but we all know that some people view DFS and Sports gambling as one and the same. Just something to keep an eye on.

  • dmoen21

    @dan72 said...

    Yes. But I am sure legal teams from billion dollar companies looked at that possibility too. There were a lot of different legal teams that had to sign-off on this aspect before these companies made their investment and if they ended being wrong they know they are getting fired.

    Also the states are looking for things to tax. Not less.

    These are the difference between DFS And poker. Smart partnerships with billion dollar companies and taxes are being paid.

    I tend to agree with you, but big corporations with big legal departments lose cases all the time. I think the more important aspect, as many others have mentioned, is that DFS sites send out 1099s on winnings.

    The whole point of this post was that this is something we as DFS players (as well as those of us who play poker and/or like sports betting) need to keep an eye on.

  • jrb13850

    @STAV said...

    If only it were that simple Al, but it is a place to start.

    If one chooses to apply DFS thinking (value as an example) to the US electoral process it’s hard not to worry that the system is a deeply flawed and rigged game and I’m not a conspiracy thinking guy.

    Starting with the factor mentioned above that whoever has the most money wins now and not all votes are equal depending on the nature of the election itself.

    The facts do not point to the conclusion that he who has the most money wins. The facts point to the conclusion that those already in power win 95% of the time because the election rules are gamed to radically favor incumbents.

  • Joe1Coal

    @AtGame7 said...

    Here’s someone who gets it.

    I don’t think anyone is actually voting based on their DFS allegiance. That proves they have a problem and should seek help. However, if it gets them to vote versus not voting, what the hell.

  • AtGame7

    @Joe1Coal said...

    I don’t think anyone is actually voting based on their DFS allegiance. That proves they have a problem and should seek help. However, if it gets them to vote versus not voting, what the hell.

    I would prefer people who are educated on the issues that matter be the ones that vote and not people who run out and vote just to protect their privilege to play DFS. I’m funny like that.

    If you think people won’t vote according to one issue that they deem important and the rest of the population/issues be damned, then I wonder if you really see what goes on in what used to be America.

    Having said that, you are correct to a point. If you can get people to vote it is a start.

  • Putz

    @CeeGee said...

    I don’t understand why the Gov. would want to ban DFS?

    Whats the point? We pay taxes on winnings, thats all that should matter

    Just like terrorists, extremists of all types want to impose their beliefs on others to make them live and think like them. It’s their way or the highway.

  • AtGame7

    @Putz said...

    Just like terrorists, extremists of all types want to impose their beliefs on others to make them live and think like them. It’s their way or the highway.

    Very well put.

  • Putz

    @AtGame7 said...

    Very well put.

    One of my favorite empirical studies from Princeton that the US is no longer a democracy, but an oligarchy. Other than in major elections to determine local representation in government and the President, the economic elite influence and determine policy over the average citizen or even large groups of citizens.

    http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

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