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  • db730

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    Question for FanDuel & DraftKings for MLB

    Curious if either FanDuel or DraftKings will include starting lineup information on the site this season? Personally found it to be extremely useful and convenient on other sites and made building last second lineups much easier. Pretty sure all the other sites provided them and do hope you add them this year.

  • KennyGRunsGood

    • Blogger of the Month

    I feel myself being pulled from both sides on this topic. On one side it would benefit the recreational player if there was readily available starting line-up information.

    On the other hand I personally enjoy the edge I can receive simply by making less mistakes then the masses.

  • bringemvaught

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    Wouldn’t like it if they did this. Don’t like when sites give out tips, information, etc. Leave it to the players to use skill to figure everything out.

  • db730

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    I used to think of it that way, but that edge is really miniscule in the grand scheme of things because as soon as some gets burned by it then they learn to use it and the edge is gone. With sites already providing detailed injury information, it’s really not much different.

    As a seasoned player, I like it as a bit of a time saver.

  • bringemvaught

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    @db730 said…

    I used to think of it that way, but that edge is really miniscule in the grand scheme of things because as soon as some gets burned by it then they learn to use it and the edge is gone. With sites already providing detailed injury information, it’s really not much different.

    As a seasoned player, I like it as a bit of a time saver.

    I see what you’re saying, but I think sites have already gone overboard in providing information. For instance, Fanduel’s Insider provides really good picks and 3 per position to boot. What skill is there in just plugging in solid picks provided to you by the site you’re playing on? I think sites should stay out of providing detailed information in order to enhance the skill aspect of dfs. I think this would be overall better for the industry to ensure its sustainability.

  • metsfan828

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    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    We won’t have lineup information on opening day. Not completely shutting the door for the rest of the season, but we will probably not be including it this year.

    I think there are arguments to be made on both sides, and it’s always been an interesting topic on whether not having the info creates an edge or not for the more seasoned player.

  • sethayates

    Setting aside the argument for whether it gives an edge I really don’t see a reason for FD to include lineups. I would much rather see FD continue to work on improving the other areas of the product that they are already working on. It really isn’t hard to open a second window with RG or baseballpress.com and get accurate lineups. I don’t think a site should provide information because if that information turns out to be wrong the player who used it feels wronged. In my opinion the site’s only role is to insure our money is safe and that the games are fair. Other than that I don’t ask anything of the sites. Just good me a site that works, strong customer service, and make me feel like my money is safe. I can take care of the research on my own.

  • FatalError

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    Our most recent update to our draft screen will allow for both starting lineups and weather information. This will also be available in our app from the apple store.

    For those who are against including lineup information. Do you think that it is in your best interest for a player new to DFS to play MLB once, start 2 guys who aren’t in the lineup that day and have a bad experience and never play again? Players and sites are in the same boat here, we want people to try DFS, enjoy it, and keep coming back (and tell their friends how awesome it is!). Including lineup information makes it easier for new players select a team quickly and reliably and improves their first DFS games, which benefits everyone.

  • deactivated17417

    @FatalError said…

    Our most recent update to our draft screen will allow for both starting lineups and weather information. This will also be available in our app from the apple store.

    Awesome!

    There are no changes planned for scoring for MLB between now and the start of the season?

  • FatalError

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    @TheCoz said…

    Awesome!

    There are no changes planned for scoring for MLB between now and the start of the season?

    No current plans for scoring changes, the input we received from players we asked was that our current setup is pretty optimal.

  • jecarl2

    @FatalError said…

    Our most recent update to our draft screen will allow for both starting lineups and weather information. This will also be available in our app from the apple store.

    For those who are against including lineup information. Do you think that it is in your best interest for a player new to DFS to play MLB once, start 2 guys who aren’t in the lineup that day and have a bad experience and never play again? Players and sites are in the same boat here, we want people to try DFS, enjoy it, and keep coming back (and tell their friends how awesome it is!). Including lineup information makes it easier for new players select a team quickly and reliably and improves their first DFS games, which benefits everyone.

    I had to learn the hard way when I first started. Why shouldn’t everyone else. It didn’t scare me off.

  • YoungFischer

    Why intentionally make things more difficult for the user? Sites should be actively working to make the user experience easier.

  • Nat4575

    Yeah not a fan of posting line ups that’s the whole fun of checking different sites for line ups and weather and there are plenty to find online. I thought that was one of the biggest beefs with the Fan Duel chat was posting line ups and telling people which guys were out. It would be kinda crazy if Fan Duel itself posted that info since it was one of the biggest beefs in chat.

  • bmlenox

    @YoungFischer said…

    Why intentionally make things more difficult for the user? Sites should be actively working to make the user experience easier.

    Agreed. I think that when I click a link to a contest for NFL on Sundays, it should auto fill a pre-made Matthew Berry lineup before I choose my players and click submit.

  • draftcheat

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    Providing lineups is fine, though I think the scenario of someone getting burned and never coming back to play again does perhaps underestimate the average player a bit. If you know enough about the internet to find DFS, you can probably figure out where to find lineups. I do think it does open the door for some semi-legit complaints from angry users if a DFS site says a player is in the starting lineup and they end up not playing.

    I hope the weather reports that Jon mentioned DK will be providing are very very basic. Wind direction and strength can provide a nice edge for the experienced player who knows how to use it and that it is a factor.

  • mrathburn

    @FatalError said…

    Our most recent update to our draft screen will allow for both starting lineups and weather information. This will also be available in our app from the apple store.

    For those who are against including lineup information. Do you think that it is in your best interest for a player new to DFS to play MLB once, start 2 guys who aren’t in the lineup that day and have a bad experience and never play again? Players and sites are in the same boat here, we want people to try DFS, enjoy it, and keep coming back (and tell their friends how awesome it is!). Including lineup information makes it easier for new players select a team quickly and reliably and improves their first DFS games, which benefits everyone.

    +1 – this is the best way to help grow the industry. New players have to come in and stay. These sites are spending a ton of marketing money on player acquistion. Those worried its giving away any edge I dont understand that argument at all – then they cry for more fish.

  • windchimesrrude

    2013 PFBC Qualifer

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    I would definitely draw the line at providing weather info. Too unpredictable and subjective. I would see it as backfiring on the site more than helping less informed players (i.e. 10% chance of rain and there’s a rainout and vice verse).

  • FatalError

    DraftKings Rep

    @windchimesrrude said…

    I would definitely draw the line at providing weather info. Too unpredictable and subjective. I would see it as backfiring on the site more than helping less informed players (i.e. 10% chance of rain and there’s a rainout and vice verse).

    All we are giving is an icon for sunny, cloudy, rain. It’s just a reminder to look into that game if it’s anything other than sunshine (or a dome).

  • Putz

    @KennyGRunsGood said…

    I feel myself being pulled from both sides on this topic. On one side it would benefit the recreational player if there was readily available starting line-up information.

    On the other hand I personally enjoy the edge I can receive simply by making less mistakes then the masses.

    Agree with not making it too easy.

  • jlowery73

    2012 DDC Main Event Champion

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    Hopefully the skill part of what we do here doesn’t get watered down TOO much in the next few years.

  • YoungFischer

    If what you call “skill” is something that you fear can become watered down then it’s not much of a skill.

  • bringemvaught

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    @FatalError said…

    Our most recent update to our draft screen will allow for both starting lineups and weather information. This will also be available in our app from the apple store.

    For those who are against including lineup information. Do you think that it is in your best interest for a player new to DFS to play MLB once, start 2 guys who aren’t in the lineup that day and have a bad experience and never play again? Players and sites are in the same boat here, we want people to try DFS, enjoy it, and keep coming back (and tell their friends how awesome it is!). Including lineup information makes it easier for new players select a team quickly and reliably and improves their first DFS games, which benefits everyone.

    Great argument in favor of including lineup information. There is certainly no absolute right way to go about it. It’s difficult to calculate what would be best for the industry. However, the rate at which sites are providing more and more information to the user is alarming to me. Big picture, I think skill should be promoted as much as possible. I think that’s best for the industry. When sites spoon feed information, I think that reduces the skill required. This is my opinion and I respect any views on it.

  • winsome

    I think a site providing ANY information runs the risk of having a player use that information, lose and then point the finger at the site as being responsible for the loss by “providing” information that caused them to lose. It may seem a little far fetched but all of us have seen THAT guy. Sites should remain conduits and stay out of the info/research space.

  • bestintheworld

    BITW

    @winsome said…

    I think a site providing ANY information runs the risk of having a player use that information, lose and then point the finger at the site as being responsible for the loss by “providing” information that caused them to lose. It may seem a little far fetched but all of us have seen THAT guy. Sites should remain conduits and stay out of the info/research space.

    But there are people who also point at the sites when they lose for not providing that information. It goes both ways. There’s a risk with providing the information, and not providing it.

  • winsome

    @bestintheworld said…

    But there are people who also point at the sites when they lose for not providing that information. It goes both ways. There’s a risk with providing the information, and not providing it.

    True indeed. However, that is simply fodder for DFS participants to discuss. I can however see a situation where some attorney attempts to drag a site through the legal system for “telling” players who to play. Although ridiculous, I can see grounds for at least allowing it past the preliminary phase whereas no judge would ever give merit to a claim that the absence of information offered caused someone to lose. Either way, logically it makes sense for sites to stay out of the end game/result

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