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  • Riley

    RG Co-Founder

    We’ve implemented some changes to our rankings formula. This is an ever-growing process and something we are constantly discussing and figuring out ways to improve. Because we can’t do everything we want to do immediately, we are rolling out a few changes at a time. This recent update includes the following changes:

    • Site diversity is no longer used in the overall or seasonal rankings.
    • Sport diversity has been changed to award you a 3% bonus for your second-best sport, a 6% bonus for your third-best sport, etc., capped at a 12% bonus for your fifth- through nth-best sport. Your second- and third-best scores are those that have yielded the second- and third-most points in the time range the ranking covers.
    • Qualifiers now count in our rankings and are scored like normal GPP’s
    • Live Finals are still graded by shifting the number of entrants such that all finalists are pushed into the top 20% of the field, allowing all finalists to receive points

    Some aspects of our rankings that haven’t yet changed that we are still considering or are actively working on are:

    • We may reduce the effect of our 3/5ths root on the prize pool such that large tournaments are less dampened. This root was initially used so that the winner of the largest, end-of-the-year NFL tournament wasn’t the guaranteed victor of the TPOY just by winning a single tournament. Since there are more tournaments that approach the prize pool of these final NFL tournaments, we have been more comfortable exploring 4/5th and no-root options.
    • We are actively working with the operator sites to find ways of identifying 50/50’s and double-ups so that we can grade them differently than GPP’s. Since there are a manageable number of large-prizepool 50/50’s that meet the $10K TPOY requirement, we may manually adjust or remove those from the rankings before we have an automated system in place to identify all of them for the overall rankings.
    • Once we are able to identify 50/50’s and double-ups, will we change the 20% criterion we use such that any cashing score counts towards the rankings.

    You should see these rankings take effect on the seasonal and monthly rankings over the course of the day, and on the overall rankings by tomorrow morning. The main thing you will notice is an increase to everyone’s score. This increase is a result of the site and sport diversity no longer dampening scores to a level between 0.5 and 1 (and to a lesser extent by the fact that there is no longer a site diversity at all).

    The change to our sport diversity has the added benefit that the score of any given contest is now worth at least as much in the rankings as it is worth by itself. (Our previous diversity bonus dampened your score when it was summed in the overall ranking.) Your ranking score may still be less than the sum of results on your profile page, however, since we still only count your best finish in any multi-entry contest.

  • SirGiant

    • Blogger of the Month

    Cool changes, Thanks for the update!

    Are the Q rankings retro-active, or only after a specific date forward?

  • Riley

    RG Co-Founder

    They are retroactive dating back to Jan. 1st of this year.

    There may be some we missed, so if you qualified for a live event and don’t see it in your results, let us know.

  • SirGiant

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Riley said...

    There may be some we missed, so if you qualified for a live event and don’t see it in your results, let us know.

    What if you cashed, but did not qualify? If it is being treated as a normal GPP score that would be ranked as well, right?

    Just want to make sure before I start digging and sending links if anything was missed.

  • Riley

    RG Co-Founder

    It uses the top 20% rule, so you will have needed to cash and be in the top 20%. This is something we also may change in the future. Since qualifiers are generally very top-heavy, rewarding only first place a ticket, we are also considering adding percent-of-the-prizepool-given-to-first as another variable in our formula.

  • DCoop328

    How are you able to calculate the seasonal rankings. Will adding up all of your scores from specific games show your seasonal points or is their a formula for that?

  • MikeSos760

    I hope someday to have my rankings working : D

  • Riley

    RG Co-Founder

    @DCoop328 said...

    How are you able to calculate the seasonal rankings. Will adding up all of your scores from specific games show your seasonal points or is their a formula for that?

    For seasonal rankings, you can add up the scores for your best finish in all contests for that sport.

    The score for any individual contest is the 3/5ths root of the prizepool divided by the 3/5ths root of your place-finished ((BuyIn * Entrants)3/5 / PlaceFinished3/5)

  • zachlowry

    All my data for the last few months disappeared, it doesn’t really matter because I suck, but its nice to look at sometimes :)

  • Riley

    RG Co-Founder

    @zachlowry said...

    All my data for the last few months disappeared, it doesn’t really matter because I suck, but its nice to look at sometimes :)

    Yes, those results are slowly but surely coming back in today.

  • chiasports

    great changes! looking forward to all 50 50 and du cashes counting.

  • csuram88

    • 50

      RG Overall Ranking

    • Ranked #43

      RG Tiered Ranking

    • x7

      2014 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2014 DraftKings FBWC Champion

    Still confusing to me why the 3/5 root is still being applied to the rankings. In poker or anything else they would never only count 3/5 of the money won. The rankings give an incentive for those who care to pound the low stakes games.

  • Riley

    RG Co-Founder

    The main reason we didn’t change to a 4/5ths root or no-root with this update is because we didn’t want to shake the scores up too much mid-year, although we are still considering that change.

    The reason that the rooted prize pool was added to begin with was to prevent the winner of the massive, end-of-the-year tournament from receiving more points in one score than the sum of points most people have the chance to make in their 50 best finishes over the course of the entire year. Since mid-year tournaments are now close to the same order of magnitude as the massive, end of the year tournament, we are more comfortable making a change like this one.

  • Cal

    RG CoFounder & Admin

    • 411

      RG Overall Ranking

    • $1M Prize Winner

    • x4

      2015 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    @csuram88 said...

    Still confusing to me why the 3/5 root is still being applied to the rankings. In poker or anything else they would never only count 3/5 of the money won. The rankings give an incentive for those who care to pound the low stakes games.

    Poker Rankings formulas that we’ve looked at do use some mechanism to diminish large scores for the same reasons we do – for example, to prevent the WSOP Main Event winner from automatically winning the WSOP Player of the Year Race.

    If we used no root Escot would have won the 2014 TPOY with his FFFC win ($7.5mm tourney, $2mm first place prize).

    That said, I agree with much of your sentiment and prefer a 4/5 root. If we hadn’t had so many challenges with results data, especially in our efforts to distinguish between 50/50s and tournaments, we probably would already be at a 4/5 root system. We’re still debating it, but it’s a change that could be coming soon.

  • theoddsmaker

    Overall rank updating today with these changes right? Or did they already update?

  • Riley

    RG Co-Founder

    @theoddsmaker said...

    Overall rank updating today with these changes right? Or did they already update?

    Yes, overall rank has updated with these changes already.

  • JEFFRAMBO

    Are there still some profiles that haven’t been updated? My results are not matching up with the rankings or recent activity section; especially MLB points.

  • Riley

    RG Co-Founder

    We are still working on backfilling FanDuel results for some users so your current overall ranking may be based on a score that doesn’t include those results. The overall ranking updates once a week on Thursday, but I will probably re-run it early, mid-week once I get the go-ahead from our import team that all FanDuel results are in.

  • bluestooges

    @Riley said...

    We are still working on backfilling FanDuel results for some users so your current overall ranking may be based on a score that doesn’t include those results. The overall ranking updates once a week on Thursday, but I will probably re-run it early, mid-week once I get the go-ahead from our import team that all FanDuel results are in.

    Once you guys are finished backfilling can you post something? That way none of us email and bug you guys about missing results until they are actually missing.

  • Cameron

    RG Co-Founder

    • 2014 FanDuel NFL Survivor Champion

    • 2016 RG Season Long Champion: NFL

    @bluestooges said...

    Once you guys are finished backfilling can you post something? That way none of us email and bug you guys about missing results until they are actually missing.

    Absolutely. Sorry for any confusion.

    The plan is to put a forum post in place, in addition to the results status message found in everyone’s user profile, that shows any missing updates. We’ll then update that forum post as they’re added. @SBK is heading this up, and it should take care of any question-marks in one easy-to-understand location. This should be in place by next week.

    Let us know if you need anything else, or have any other suggestions.

  • ktw1021

    Like the changes, especially the 50/50’s, appreciate all RG does, trying to get imports from all the sites, seems to frustrate everybody at RG, that most of the sites have data problems, making rankings difficult.

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