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  • whodat2

    When: July 27 – 30

    Where: Oakville, Ontario, Canada

    Course: Glen Abbey GC | A Par 72

    Last Year’s Winner: Jhonattan Vegas at -12

    Last Years’s Cut: +2

    Coverage: PGATourLive | Golf Channel | CBS

    Admin Note: The mod team is working to keep these daily threads more on topic – Golf strategy talk for this week’s contest. Post referring to last week’s contest will be moved to the correct thread. Any off topic posts or posts containing full lineups will be deleted..

  • nicholasmarsh

    @MUwarriors91 said...

    Game theory is suggesting Danny will be severely under-owned due to his WD. He screwed me in that tournament but I have short term memory when it comes to being bitter at people. He has a great price and can easily be fit in as a third golfer on a balanced DJ lineup. Of course I also run the risk of him WDing again or playing poorly if the wrist is still a concern but this is a risk I am taking.

    The time to buy is when there’s blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own – Baron Rothschild

    I agree 100, but am still waffling on pulling the trigger because it wasn’t my blood that he spilled with his WD

  • nicholasmarsh

    @MUwarriors91 said...

    I thought we would make it to lineup lock without a Kraft mention. I wish he was a 6k range player and I would have had a few shares

    Yeah. My bad… Had to do it. I saw a Tweet from fanshare referencing that he was T51 in tags after being among the most talked about two weeks ago. Gotta drive up that ownership! Ha-ha…

  • MUwarriors91

    • 378

      RG Overall Ranking

    Any Sabbatini shares at 6.6k this week? He has played well the last three tournies. At the Barbasol he had an alright finish but he did actually go pretty low 2/4 rounds. He also has played alright here too.

  • Dunzor

    @karatesbadboy said...

    I’ve wondered the same thing. Never been able to find a database of strokes gained per tournmanet. Would be very useful.

    I answered the original questions a couple pages back regarding how the math works, but in regards to strokes gained by tournament you can look that up by individual player under the tournament scorecards of their player profile on pgatour.com. As for pulling some list for everyone I think Culp maintains his own database for that.

  • Feibla22

    @MUwarriors91 said...

    One golfer I will be overweight on is Danny Lee. I think his “injury” is part BS to be honest. Perhaps he did have a sore wrist but I think his WD from the John Deere was more so out of embarrassment. He did travel to Royal Birkdale as the first alternate and would likely have played last week if given the opportunity. I highly doubt he would have taken the time to fly over if his wrist injury was so painful that he would never play if he got into the field.

    Game theory is suggesting Danny will be severely under-owned due to his WD. He screwed me in that tournament but I have short term memory when it comes to being bitter at people. He has a great price and can easily be fit in as a third golfer on a balanced DJ lineup. Of course I also run the risk of him WDing again or playing poorly if the wrist is still a concern but this is a risk I am taking.

    Shhhh. Let people still fume about two weeks ago and ignore the $2200 drop

  • MUwarriors91

    • 378

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    The Dan Summerhays story: he is currently 126th in fed-ex cup points. He obviously wants to keep his tour card next year so he will be very motivated from here on out. He didn’t have a good Barbasol showing but has been playing pretty good outside of last week in fields that were much stronger than this week’s field. Might as well own some of him.

    For the fed-ex playoff narrative also see Seamus powers , Smylie Kaufman , Shane Lowry, Rob Garrigus, Matt Jones, Alex Cejka, Graeme McDowell, Trey Mullinax, Cam Tringale, David Hearn, Johnson Wagner, and Bubba Watson as a mix of players that are just in the top 125 or on the outside looking in heading into the last few weeks of the season. These are all golfers playing at this event and will likely have some extra motivation to perform this week. While this is a large list and getting a sprinkle of all of these golfers into lineups this week will be difficult, I do think picking a few of these guys will pay off.

  • sports667

    @MUwarriors91 said...

    The Dan Summerhays story: he is currently 126th in fed-ex cup points. He obviously wants to keep his tour card next year so he will be very motivated from here on out. He didn’t have a good Barbasol showing but has been playing pretty good outside of last week in fields that were much stronger than this week’s field. Might as well own some of him.

    For the fed-ex playoff narrative also see Seamus powers , Smylie Kaufman , Shane Lowry, Rob Garrigus, Matt Jones, Alex Cejka, Graeme McDowell, Trey Mullinax, Cam Tringale, David Hearn, Johnson Wagner, and Bubba Watson as a mix of players that are just in the top 125 or on the outside looking in heading into the last few weeks of the season. These are all golfers playing at this event and will likely have some extra motivation to perform this week. While this is a large list and getting a sprinkle of all of these golfers into lineups this week will be difficult, I do think picking a few of these guys will pay off.

    This comes up every year. More than not, most of the players needing to finish in a certain position to get into the top 126th, or keep their card, etc, etc… do not play any better, usually worse. Not saying Summerhays isn’t a good play this week, but sometimes its a lot harder to focus when their is more pressure on you to get a decent finish. Especially for the non elite golfers.

  • astauty

    wow all my golfers are basically in the PM/AM wave.

    going to make a boring thursday AM for me.

  • MUwarriors91

    • 378

      RG Overall Ranking

    Curtis Luck getting no talk this week at all. Looks like his bogey bogey finish to miss the cut at the John Deere has turned many people off. I am staying on the train this week at low ownership

  • sports667

    @astauty said...

    wow all my golfers are basically in the PM/AM wave.

    going to make a boring thursday AM for me.

    My lineups ended up that way too, my only AM guy i have is Cameron Percy, not sure if I want to get up early for that sweat lol.

  • miggs6876

    @nicholasmarsh said...

    Kelly Kraft – Three consecutive made cuts #darkhorse; Ha-ha… Just trolling you, BIF. His Par 5 scoring isn’t good and he missed the cut at the Memorial so I assume he’d be a non-fit for the course. T26 last year on same course/greens… His price is pretty high, but might be worth a one-off pivot in a mass multi-entry situation.

    Just trying to rile you fellas up :)

    I know you play fanduel. Anyone sticking out at you.

  • kbarnhill7523

    • 444

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    • 2018 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2017 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    As I am building mock lineups I feel like I can put in anyone and everyone I want, in any combination, if I just fade DJ and Kuchar.

    At his price DJ has to win, really, to pay himself off. He’s obviously the most talented golfer in the field.

    I was already fading Kuchar…. I don’t see how you come out firing after the emotional toll of playing in the final pair of a major championship. He also has tremendous course history.

    Maybe I’m overthinking all of this.

  • superstars92

    @kbarnhill7523 said...

    At his price DJ has to win, really, to pay himself off. He’s obviously the most talented golfer in the field.

    This depends on what some of the other top golfers do. If like Kuchar, Hoffman, Finau, etc. get only like 10th or so, and DJ gets 3rd, I think DJ is still worth it, especially if the pairings with DJ also get like top 10.

    I’m assuming something like DJ/Summerhays or DJ/Ollie will be quite popular.

  • kbarnhill7523

    • 444

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    • 2018 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2017 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    @superstars92 said...

    This depends on what some of the other top golfers do. If like Kuchar, Hoffman, Finau, etc. get only like 10th or so, and DJ gets 3rd, I think DJ is still worth it, especially if the pairings with DJ also get like top 10.

    I’m assuming something like DJ/Summerhays or DJ/Ollie will be quite popular.

    Yeah, I don’t see why I need to do a total fade. But if he is close to 30% I don’t want to have him at the same % as the field.

    Also, except for R3 at RB, he looked awful.

    I think Hoffman is capable of a top 5 and then Finau, even if he isn’t in contention to win, can put up a ton of DK points.

    I can build some pretty sick Hoffman/Finau/Lee lineups. Lee should be the same price as both of those guys.

  • BIF

    Our 🇨🇦 sports channel really stepped up with TV coverage this year and I have live golf tomorrow and Friday going all day from 6am CT to 5pm CT. Coverage starts with the first group and stays live thru just past completion of the afternoon feature groups. Not quite end to end like The Open last week but pretty damn close !!

  • nicholasmarsh

    @miggs6876 said...

    I know you play fanduel. Anyone sticking out at you.

    So many “cheapies” in play this week that you can basically do whatever you want. Furyk/Barnes/Shelton, etc. seem under priced in comparison to DK, but I’m not sure if I want the studs/scrubs because everyone will do that. Definitely need the 8/8 so choose wisely… I’m having a serious internal struggle with Stalling at $6.2K. Dude has been hot, hot, hot, but his course history is not, not, not :/

    EDIT: A horrible strategy (maybe), but you can grab the top 3 priced golfers, back-fill the other 5 spots (FD) and not feel horrible about what you’ve done. It’s kind of making me want to go back to the strategy of rostering nobody under $6K. If I force myself to stick to this approach, it might help me be a bit more unique.

  • Jeddy3

    Cantlay, Lee, or Woodland is my final conundrum.

  • PuddinCheeks

    • Blogger of the Month

    @karatesbadboy said...

    I’ve wondered the same thing. Never been able to find a database of strokes gained per tournmanet. Would be very useful.

    Everyone that has one made it themselves. It’s not terribly difficult but it takes time and data gathering.

  • timusbr

    @kbarnhill7523 said...

    I was already fading Kuchar…. I don’t see how you come out firing after the emotional toll of playing in the final pair of a major championship. He also has tremendous course history.

    Maybe I’m overthinking all of this.

    This is a valid point you make and as a purchaser of Kooch, I do have my doubts. Not so much doubting Kucher but doubting whether or not choosing him for the reasons stated above is a wise choice. I am going with him at about 50% of my Gpp’s …. damn the torpedoes… full speed ahead

    Of course your ranking and record recently suggests your evaluation is much keener than mine :)

  • DirtysBurgers

    Anyone feeling Brandon Hagy? He is going to be hitting 8-9 irons on his 2nd shots of these par 5s

  • BIF

    @kbarnhill7523 said...

    At his price DJ has to win, really, to pay himself off. He’s obviously the most talented golfer in the field.

    I agree with ease of lineup construction when you start below DJ/Kuchar but I also don’t trust that next layer near as much. A $33 lineup that starts with Bubba or Charley makes the hair stand up on my neck as I reach to click submit.

    I disagree a little on the DJ has to win comment – as long as DJ finishes in Top 8, he will most likely be one of the Top 5-6 fantasy scorers because of his likely higher BoB% over 4 days. So unless the other top salaries (Kooch, Hoffman, Bubba And Finau) all out score him and you’ve put that savings to good use; DJ is a must own if you think he can Top 8 even if he doesn’t end up with one of the top 5 value ratios (DK pts/$K salary).

  • RangerC

    @kbarnhill7523 said...

    his price DJ has to win, really, to pay himself off. He’s obviously the most talented golfer in the field.

    Last year $3 tournament was won by DJ/Rahm combo without winner (Vegas) – good chance DJ is in the winning LU with a top 5 (or even top 10 if the other top priced players disappoint).

  • miggs6876

    @nicholasmarsh said...

    So many “cheapies” in play this week that you can basically do whatever you want. Furyk/Barnes/Shelton, etc. seem under priced in comparison to DK, but I’m not sure if I want the studs/scrubs because everyone will do that. Definitely need the 8/8 so choose wisely… I’m having a serious internal struggle with Stalling at $6.2K. Dude has been hot, hot, hot, but his course history is not, not, not :/

    Thanks. As of now I’m on the stars scrubs lineup. Perhaps, I should reconsider.

  • superstars92

    I’m basically done. I learned my lesson from last week and greatly lowered my total pool of players to about only 15-20ish. I think this is quite a low number for me, as it’s even lower than what I had in the past. It’s definitely way lower than last week’s disaster. This will increase variance, but hopefully it’s positive variance because I rather have a ton of 6/6s (or no 6/6s) than a ton of 5/6s due to these one-offs missing the cut.

    Also, this will be the very first week for me in a long, long time that I do not have Tony Finau in my cash game team in a PGA event. I still like him though, but I couldn’t fit him properly. I have him in GPPs, but I guess I don’t even mind this week if he MCs because I don’t have him in cash.

  • PuddinCheeks

    • Blogger of the Month

    Off topic on EURO for a moment, DK sure mispriced almost the entire field from top to bottom. In love with my lineup and have 2700 left over, it very nearly had 4100 left over.

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