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  • whodat2

    THIS IS AN INAUGURAL EVENT

    When: June 37-30

    Where: Detroit, MI

    Course: Detroit Golf Club | A par 72 playing at 7334 yards

    Last Year’s Winner: N/A

    Last Year’s Cut: N/A

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  • shadowchap1978

    Clicking on Ryan Moore for my last spot just feels wrong!! UGH Edit: Dude just burns me everytime I play him,switching to Sungjae IM . Ryan Moore will now win the Rocket Mortgage Classic.

  • BIF

    @kps3205s said...

    There are 40 temp workers also that are not eligible for union representation.

    Odds are since it is a private club the team is maxed out in season with the temps and reduced down to the 7 full time employees during the off season.

    The club I caddied for on Long Island during HS and college did the same thing since after October there was minimal play during the winter months. Some of the caddies would loop in the morning then work with the course maintenance team in the afternoon instead of grabbing a second loop.

    Most tour events bring in grounds crew workers from other clubs as the course has to be perfect when the first ball is in the air around 7am.

    I’ve seen some events that get hit with a storm or wind that does damage and it’s a mad scramble to drain and rake 100 bunkers, cut greens, fringes and reset cups/holes plus pick up all the tree limbs, etc.. that get blown around plus getting the practice range and putting green ready for warmups.

    I’d expect there to be probably between 50 and 75ish people at their disposal because they are probably starting at 3am in the dark each day.

  • hbomb57

    If Detroit does not get this figured out or does not have a backup plan then it will be the PGA that will be doing a foreclosure on the Rocket Mortgage classic.

  • mr_papageorgio

    Home game for Brian Stuard this week. Maybe he can do something similar to what Keegan did last week. Looks like he played some here during college (which was awhile ago) but that probably can’t hurt. He’s also one of the more accurate drivers on tour which seems like it will be important this week.

  • sfguy21

    @mr_papageorgio said...

    He’s also one of the more accurate drivers on tour which seems like it will be important this week.

    I haven’t had time to get into research yet this week. What are you all ranking as the top stats for this course? Obviously CH is out the window.

  • byo34

    Greens are very similar to last week. Thats a big no to Kokrak, Ben An and Hoffman right off the bat.

    Though since im a sucker I will probably have a Hoffman line.

  • lemke086

    @BIF said...

    The other 3 qualifiers which should be added to the field by DK are Austin Truslow (younger player about 22-23 that will play mostly on Asian Tour as he just got his card over there), Martin Piller (PGA Tour veteran and Gerina’s husband) and Wes Homan (good player with a busy life who is looking for a place to play full time – has 3 kids under 3yrs old).

    Not added yet by DK. Sometime today probably? I’m kinda interested in Homan. SG Happy Home Life? SG Motivation to raise and pay for three kids?

  • gunthie176

    @timusbr said...

    how did Detroit get to be a place either Kiss(from Rockford IL) or Nugent(Arlington Heights IL St.Viators grad) came from.

    you nearby StV? i went public after 8th grade, but half my grade school went to StV

  • BrianVT

    I really want to play Hideki, but looks like his ownership will be at the top. Any thoughts on fading?

  • timusbr

    @gunthie176 said...

    you nearby StV? i went public after 8th grade, but half my grade school went to StV

    Like you, I Almost had to go to StV. was a St Thomas(palatine) catholic school boy before HS. Luckily I won the discussion with my parents.

  • gunthie176

    @timusbr said...

    Like you, I Almost had to go to StV. was a St Thomas(palatine) catholic school boy before HS. Luckily I won the discussion with my parents.

    ha nice, we probably played you a good deal when i was younger, went to OLW (AH), then on to RMHS

  • Dunzor

    @BrianVT said...

    I really want to play Hideki, but looks like his ownership will be at the top. Any thoughts on fading?

    If you really like a guy then just play him and differentiate elsewhere. Basically my rule is if you are playing a guy because you liked him no need to consider ownership, but if you are playing a guy because you heard him touted even though you weren’t sure about him yourself, then as the ownership creeps up that gives you the reason you need to fade him instead

  • mr_papageorgio

    I just came across this list of the top 10 scorers in “birdie fests” since 2010. Most of the names are more or less who you would expect but maybe it’s a Bubba week?

    https://twitter.com/MattJonesTFR/status/1143539437734903808

  • Pbasniper

    @mr_papageorgio said...

    I just came across this list of the top 10 scorers in “birdie fests” since 2010. Most of the names are more or less who you would expect but maybe it’s a Bubba week?

    https://twitter.com/MattJonesTFR/status/1143539437734903808

    I just want to point out Wyndham Clark on that list. He is, both stat wise and eye test wise, one of the worst ball strikers on tour. He is top 10 in driving distance, top 10 putting, number 1 in three putt avoidance, top five in 1 putt percentage. He is hanging around 200th in accuracy off the tee and approach and 150th in GIR. if you enjoy the most sweaty of sweats feel free to roster him any given week and watch as he blasts drives and approach shots 50 yards offline, misses 40% of greens and drains 15 foot par putts all week.

    If you can’t tell I really hate rostering Wyndham Clark but I have more than I care to admit.

  • mr_papageorgio

    @Pbasniper said...

    I just want to point out Wyndham Clark on that list. He is, both stat wise and eye test wise, one of the worst ball strikers on tour. He is top 10 in driving distance, top 10 putting, number 1 in three putt avoidance, top five in 1 putt percentage. He is hanging around 200th in accuracy off the tee and approach and 150th in GIR. if you enjoy the most sweaty of sweats feel free to roster him any given week and watch as he blasts drives and approach shots 50 yards offline, misses 40% of greens and drains 15 foot par putts all week.

    If you can’t tell I really hate rostering Wyndham Clark but I have more than I care to admit.

    That’s why i said most of the names lol I played him once this year and I just assumed he was allergic to whatever type of grass the course had in the fairway.

  • smallANDflaccid

    @Pbasniper said...

    I just want to point out Wyndham Clark on that list. He is, both stat wise and eye test wise, one of the worst ball strikers on tour. He is top 10 in driving distance, top 10 putting, number 1 in three putt avoidance, top five in 1 putt percentage. He is hanging around 200th in accuracy off the tee and approach and 150th in GIR. if you enjoy the most sweaty of sweats feel free to roster him any given week and watch as he blasts drives and approach shots 50 yards offline, misses 40% of greens and drains 15 foot par putts all week.

    If you can’t tell I really hate rostering Wyndham Clark but I have more than I care to admit.

    He’s like bizarro world Keegan Bradley who leads all that stuff but is 200-something-th putting, so you still get the same sweat, but you get there a different way.

  • Dunzor

    For those considering Billy Horschel, I had him in my initial build based on success at some similar designed courses and decent recent form, but diving a little bit deeper he’s been having good finishes in his recent events almost entirely on bogey avoidance. He’s been like top 20 in bogey avoidance in most of his recent events, but he’s been middle of the pack or poor in number of birdies made.

    This is important since it seems to be the accepted wisdom that this week will be a bit of a birdie fest (though we don’t really know for sure with no history), so is anyone concerned playing Billy over some others around that salary since you are really relying on finishing position points with him more so than the birdies he’s gonna make for fantasy points?

  • BrianVT

    @Dunzor said...

    If you really like a guy then just play him and differentiate elsewhere. Basically my rule is if you are playing a guy because you liked him no need to consider ownership, but if you are playing a guy because you heard him touted even though you weren’t sure about him yourself, then as the ownership creeps up that gives you the reason you need to fade him instead

    I tend to agree, but I’m also sick of just breaking even (more or less) in GPPs. Seems like to have a shot at a differentiated lineup (or lineups) that will win good money, you’re going to need to be pretty overweight the field on a few key guys so that the rest of your core has a chance of spitting out that lucky random combination. In the end, having a great 6 man combination is all random luck of the lineup generator. If I go 20% and everyone else has 20%, it’s hard to hit that. While I like Hideki and would like to play him, I don’t have any comfort level in a 40% Hideki (or really anyone for that matter). So, he’s in that tough-to-call zone for me, where I would like to play him, but don’t really want to settle for average again. Might just end up going underweight and focus on some other overweights.

  • Dunzor

    @BrianVT said...

    I tend to agree, but I’m also sick of just breaking even (more or less) in GPPs. Seems like to have a shot at a differentiated lineup (or lineups) that will win good money, you’re going to need to be pretty overweight the field on a few key guys so that the rest of your core has a chance of spitting out that lucky random combination. In the end, having a great 6 man combination is all random luck of the lineup generator. If I go 20% and everyone else has 20%, it’s hard to hit that. While I like Hideki and would like to play him, I don’t have any comfort level in a 40% Hideki (or really anyone for that matter). So, he’s in that tough-to-call zone for me, where I would like to play him, but don’t really want to settle for average again. Might just end up going underweight and focus on some other overweights.

    Ah ya I see, that makes a difference if you only every play guys at like 30-40% ownership yourself because then you aren’t really taking a stand on a guy when he’s chalky, you are just going along with the field which like you said is not a great plan. Since I play so few (often 1 lineup) I can take a stance on a guy even when he’s chalky because I know I will be overweight the field by a lot, but if you are not willing to try to like at least double the field on ownership of a chalky guy then it makes more sense to consider fading for another pivot that you like as well

  • Dunzor

    Hey BIF, I know you gave some of your thoughts on the younger guys last week, but do you have any more details on Wolff’s game that you’ve seen? I know he didn’t have a great time last week but he had a bunch of balls end up in the water and seemed to really have trouble around the greens. This week we don’t have nearly as many penalty spots so he should be able to avoid those, but do you think this course suits him any better (at least we’ve got 4 par 5s now so he can go for those with his length)?

  • BrianVT

    @Dunzor said...

    This is important since it seems to be the accepted wisdom that this week will be a bit of a birdie fest (though we don’t really know for sure with no history), so is anyone concerned playing Billy over some others around that salary since you are really relying on finishing position points with him more so than the birdies he’s gonna make for fantasy points?

    I’m interested as well, but aside from bad birdie numbers, his proximity numbers from everything 75-150 are really bad as well. I’m hearing these greens will be tough to get close, and a lot of approaches will be on the shorter side, so that’s really hurting him as well. Putting and scrambling seem to be his strong suits, and those are hard to remain consistent on. He could light it up like Woodland did, or be a huge disappointment. I haven’t really studied his DK points, though.

  • timusbr

    @Pbasniper said...

    I just want to point out Wyndham Clark on that list. He is, both stat wise and eye test wise, one of the worst ball strikers on tour. He is top 10 in driving distance, top 10 putting, number 1 in three putt avoidance, top five in 1 putt percentage. He is hanging around 200th in accuracy off the tee and approach and 150th in GIR. if you enjoy the most sweaty of sweats feel free to roster him any given week and watch as he blasts drives and approach shots 50 yards offline, misses 40% of greens and drains 15 foot par putts all week.

    If you can’t tell I really hate rostering Wyndham Clark but I have more than I care to admit.

    so what your saying is…on an easier course he is able to mitigate the negative of DA and approach to green and jump up on the competition with a good round or 2.

  • Dunzor

    By the way the google doc is available, though of course it doesn’t have any course history:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRetR_ki6l0IRc2mYiplDJCPmsBZrlsGp7VBBZGZnn-scUVmS2k1mOy9c67ujfHzoolZ5hYyl39lu0q/pubhtml

  • smallANDflaccid

    Stupid question:
    When they plan out the schedule of events, do they take course similarity week to week into consideration at all?
    Or is it entirely other things?

  • Dunzor

    @smallANDflaccid said...

    Stupid question:
    When they plan out the schedule of events, do they take course similarity week to week into consideration at all?
    Or is it entirely other things?

    In general it is really region of the country that dictates things since they tend to follow the seasons and play the southern spots while it is still winter and move north as the season goes. This tends to lend itself to similar style courses since course design seems to have a regional feel to it for the most part with florida being water filled less than driver courses, west coast with some of the longer driver heavy tracks, northeast a mix but mostly tree lined

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