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  • okiehorn

    So i’m not afraid to look dumb asking this. I hear “cash games” “tournament games”. So i googled what cash games are and it simply said it means games like head to head or 50/50s and double ups…. so i never play em because I dont play big money. roughly 30-50 a week and want to try to win big. Anyway, just read a fade the chalk article and there was a LU that was a “cash game” and guy won 7th/300 and won X amount…. Im confused as i thought “cash games” half the field made the same money? He won 1500 bucks so maybe everyone did but idk. Long story short, way to win big in cash games is spend big? Or am i completely wrong? Because my LU this weekend easily would have “cashed” in “cash game” based off his but got smoked in GPP so maybe id be lot better in cash? Rambling now.

  • sochoice

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    Smaller field single entry contests are ones in which people often use their “cash” lineups.

  • hautalak

    @okiehorn said...

    Anyway, just read a fade the chalk article and there was a LU that was a “cash game” and guy won 7th/300 and won X amount…. Im confused as i thought “cash games” half the field made the same money?

    Cash games mean different things for different people. The general rule is what you said and I would also include triple ups and some league games (ranging from 2-100 people or so

    The situation you are going over is a high dollar single entry GPP. With single entry and a higher dollar amount (you want more of a “safe” less boom/bust lineup) a lot will enter their cash game lineup. Cash game lineups have the guys you “know” are going to get the workload or have an upgraded opportunity because of injury.

    As far as winning, yes scores are typically lower in the higher buy in games because you see less of the “YOLO” lineups. THis also has to do with field size. In high dollar you only have to beat 1,000s sometimes only 100s whereas low dollar GPPs you have to beat 100,000s.

    In the end you have to make the decision about what type of player you are. Are you good at identifying guys with high floors (minimum score you think they can reach)? Or are you good at identifying the diamonds in the rough you are expecting to do well with few people on that play? I would advise looking at the ResultsDB on various contests to see the difference in single entry lineups (more “cashy”) to MME (mass multi enter) GPPs lineups. Hopefully this makes sense but I can try and answer other questions you may have. Good luck!

  • okiehorn

    @hautalak said...

    Cash games mean different things for different people. The general rule is what you said and I would also include triple ups and some league games (ranging from 2-100 people or so

    The situation you are going over is a high dollar single entry GPP. With single entry and a higher dollar amount (you want more of a “safe” less boom/bust lineup) a lot will enter their cash game lineup. Cash game lineups have the guys you “know” are going to get the workload or have an upgraded opportunity because of injury.

    As far as winning, yes scores are typically lower in the higher buy in games because you see less of the “YOLO” lineups. THis also has to do with field size. In high dollar you only have to beat 1,000s sometimes only 100s whereas low dollar GPPs you have to beat 100,000s.

    In the end you have to make the decision about what type of player you are. Are you good at identifying guys with high floors (minimum score you think they can reach)? Or are you good at identifying the diamonds in the rough you are expecting to do well with few people on that play? I would advise looking at the ResultsDB on various contests to see the difference in single entry lineups (more “cashy”) to MME (mass multi enter) GPPs lineups. Hopefully this makes sense but I can try and answer other questions you may have. Good luck!

    This was a HUGE help. I feel like i have just been throwing money away in the main slate GPP’s. I watch every stinken video on sundays and hear about the diamonds in the rough but seem to never pick the right ones. Showdowns i have been much better. weird. I believe i’m going to try the single entry contest this weekend. Simply because i want to have a shot at a decent amount and not just double my 10 bucks or whatever. That’s also great info because all the videos i see are toward “cash” game plays so maybe that will help me.

  • okiehorn

    Thank you. Good info for me. I will now try my luck at single entry formats. i scored a measly 162 but looks like it would have cashed in some

  • hautalak

    @okiehorn said...

    I believe i’m going to try the single entry contest this weekend. Simply because i want to have a shot at a decent amount and not just double my 10 bucks or whatever. That’s also great info because all the videos i see are toward “cash” game plays so maybe that will help me.

    Single entry contests are great! Typically you have better chances at a higher cash in these (unless you finish at the top b/c prize pool totals are less for single entry). The thing I will say about them is just because you have a “good” score here it doesn’t mean you automatically win more than 2x your money. Good and even great lineups sometimes don’t get what you expect out of them. I guess my point is that yes you can “win” more in GPPs it doesn’t mean you are going to.

    You also need to look at payout structures because a lot (maybe even most) have less than 2x min cash. You will see on the description usually if the bottom payout is 2x (what we have been asking DK for). I’ll admit I’m awful at contest selection but I just like to make multiple lineups for the cheapest price. I’d look out in the threads for contests people say they like. The one for NFL I hear most is the $9 Slant. People love that structure it seems. The only problem for me is price point and people can enter 150 lineups.

    And feel free to ask any other questions.

  • hautalak

    @okiehorn said...

    i scored a measly 162

    The lineup that “won” me the most scored less (158.78) but luckily that was my friend’s league. That’s another place you should look is the 10,20, 25, or whatever the number man leagues because the rake is 10% and a lower scoring lineup can win a lot more. I think on FD (I don’t play) there are 100 man contests that people really like because scores are lower and you have a chance at a decent payout.

  • BigRay

    I find the $2 GPP a good bet. Less entries. Too rich for the dollar dart stabbers but not rich enough for the sharks. Granted I do this a lot in baseball but I think the thought works in football and basketball

  • okiehorn

    @hautalak said...

    The lineup that “won” me the most scored less (158.78) but luckily that was my friend’s league. That’s another place you should look is the 10,20, 25, or whatever the number man leagues because the rake is 10% and a lower scoring lineup can win a lot more. I think on FD (I don’t play) there are 100 man contests that people really like because scores are lower and you have a chance at a decent payout.

    so where the heck do i find those type of leagues? I only play DK. The top choices i can choose from are Head to Head Tournaments etc. What would The leagues be under? i think there is a lot more to this then i think. I have been just looking at prize structure and trying to win lol

  • okiehorn

    @BigRay said...

    I find the $2 GPP a good bet. Less entries. Too rich for the dollar dart stabbers but not rich enough for the sharks. Granted I do this a lot in baseball but I think the thought works in football and basketball

    ok thank you for the advice!

  • Trappist1

    Single entry and 3 max entry contests are very underrated. Of course they do not come with a big lotto size prize at the top, but if you look closer the payout structures are decent. It is an even playing field and you do not need to make a very left-field line-up to win or cash there. A line-up that has a mix of good chalk and few smart pivots plays is all you need in these contests. The big massive field tournaments with lotto style prizes at the top have essentially become winner takes all contests. All the money is in the top 3/5 places so best to play there with tempered expectations.

  • okiehorn

    Okay. i just got in a Mon-Thursday single entry contest. Going to see how it treats me. Not near the payout but winning anything is better than losing every time.

  • hautalak

    @okiehorn said...

    so where the heck do i find those type of leagues? I only play DK. The top choices i can choose from are Head to Head Tournaments etc. What would The leagues be under? i think there is a lot more to this then i think. I have been just looking at prize structure and trying to win lol

    Well this was just a contest my friend put together.

    You will be able to find the contests I’m talking about (3 man all the way to 200 man but I don’t think 200 usually fills) on the DK tournament tab. Like I said though the problem is that these are not “guaranteed” contests so they have to fill to run. You are usually safe up to 20 mans for filling but I’m sure larger contests still fill you just have to pay attention.

    There’s also a lot of “leagues” associated with the RG forums but these contests are a bit tougher than going out and just finding something because the people here are usually a bit more knowledgeable. I hope the slate went well for you last night!

  • Felixxberg

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    Another advice I would give you is to look at the prize structure. The famous “Milly Maker” on DK every week is $20 to buy in and pays $1M to 1st place. This week, there are 191,176 entrants. The total prizes are $3.25M. It means that 1st place will get a little more than 30% of the total prize pool. In other words, that contest is a money pit for more than 99% of people. You have to see it as a lottery ticket and not as an investment, even if you know NFL very well.

    The best prize structures are about 10% to 1st and 1% to 10th. In smaller contests, these % obviously have to be bigger (a 10 person contest paying 10% to 1st would make no sense). This is what you should aim for if you want to be profitable on the long term and still have a shot at decent money every time you play.

  • SportsLover37

    I’m no expert here, but just offering a suggestion to play your lines in a 50/50 also, I know you want big money right away (and it is possible to do, I did in college fb from a quarter game), but it can help if you cash in a 50/50 you would at least get some money back if you didn’t cash in the gpp. Hope this makes sense

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