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  • pburghpens22

    I just wanna know if I’m the only one who thinks Westbrook is the most overrated player in this league. I’m sick of hearing talk about him for MVP. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a fantasy dynamo, his fantasy stats are off the charts. He also makes some really nice plays sometimes, that most other people can’t make. But, I just don’t think he’s that effective most of the time….he’s a turnover machine, over 5 a game. He’s not even in the top 100 for FG , shooting just 42 and 32% from 3. I just dont see the greatness when I watch him, sometimes I actually cringe. I would much rather have a player like Chris Paul as my point guard who shoots a high percentage and has a top assist to turnover ratio. Just curious to what y’alls thoughts were?

  • zachlowry

    No one can stop RWB one on one, and most teams cant even slow him down as a group. Put Curry on OKC and how many wins do they have?

  • superstars92

    Define overrated.

    Is he a top 10 NBA player? Yes
    Is he elite? Yes

    But is he as good as what some people think he is (like top 3 or top 5)? No

    By that definition, you can “technically” say he is overrated because a lot of people think he is better than what he really is. My opinion (feel free to disagree) is that he is somewhere between 6-10 in terms of best NBA players (in terms of helping a team win).

    His points/assists numbers are a large result of his massive usage. Sure, with that same usage, probably no other NBA player except Harden or Lebron can touch 30/10, but I am sure a lot of NBA players given the usage Westbrook has could put up something relatively close. A lot would do it more efficiently too. Look at CP3’s games without Blake. He doesn’t do 30/10, but he can easily do like 24/10 and be more efficient shooting wise.

    Even his own teammate Victor Oladipo could theoretically put up similar numbers – as in a poor man’s Westbrook (he has in Orlando before for a few games) if you swapped his role with Westbrook’s role. Now, in no way am I comparing the two because the Thunder would not nearly be as good with Oladipo as the main playmaker and clearly Westbrook is way superior, but Oladipo would instantly be an amazing stat stuffer if Westbrook were to get injured or something.

    Most of Westbrook’s rebounds are uncontested, so his rebounding numbers mean nothing. I guess technically, it gets him the ball faster to start a fastbreak, but don’t be fooled by his 10 rebounds and think he’s an elite rebounder. He’s got the highest uncontested rebounding rate in the NBA, and uncontested rebounds mean nothing to help a team win except maybe starting the fast break earlier (which is indirect). His own teammates could get the same rebound and help the team equally.

    With that being said, I still put him probably in that 6-10 range.

    For one more argument, look at several years ago when Durant was injured. OKC didn’t make the playoffs with Westbrook. This year, without KD, OKC will probably be a 6/7th seed and lose in the first round. Sure his teammates aren’t amazing, but Oladipo/Kanter/Adams are definitely serviceable, and I guarantee if Durant was on OKC this year and not Westbrook, OKC would be a top 4 team in the West. It isn’t the case the other way around. You can’t be a top 5 NBA player and not be able to get out of the first round of the playoffs.

  • superstars92

    @zachlowry said...

    No one can stop RWB one on one, and most teams cant even slow him down as a group. Put Curry on OKC and how many wins do they have?

    Put Westbrook on GS, and they wouldn’t be as good. Clearly, 1 on 1, Westbrook would probably be better than Curry since he’s just way more athletic, but you can’t do this type of team swapping. With the way OKC is built, Westbrook is better for that team, but with the way the Warriors are built, Curry is better.

    That’s because GS plays a spread offense where ball movement is emphasized (that’s why Draymond, their PF/C has the highest assists on the team). Westbrook would never work on GS because he can’t shoot nor is he selfless enough to make extra passes to shooters who are clearly better than him. It also wouldn’t work the other way around either. Curry clearly wouldn’t be as good on OKC because he can’t sustain that type of usage in a more pick and roll type of offense. However, if you put Curry on OKC and gave him Westbrook’s role, he can clearly average 35 pts/game.

  • jimfred82

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    @superstars92 said...

    For one more argument, look at several years ago when Durant was injured. OKC didn’t make the playoffs with Westbrook.

    Westbrook also broke his wrist that year, though. That was the Reggie Jackson, Jeremy Lamb and even (for two or three games) Perry Jones (had to google it). It was bad.

    BUT I do agree with a lot of your points. The uncontested rebound thing is weird, though… does that just mean everybody boxes out their guys and let him get the boards?

  • superstars92

    @jimfred82 said...

    BUT I do agree with a lot of your points. The uncontested rebound thing is weird, though… does that just mean everybody boxes out their guys and let him get the boards?

    Yea there actually was an article about this before on ESPN. I can’t find that one but I did find this one which is similar

    http://fansided.com/2016/12/05/nylon-calculus-westbrook-triple-doubles/

    “They want Westbrook rebounding the ball because they see that as one of their best chances to turn defense into offense. You get the ball into Westbrook’s hands as quickly as possible and… he can turn just an ordinary defensive rebound into a fastbreak opportunity.”

    It’s a legitimate strategy and I agree with it. Also, it does help the Thunder too because they are clearly at their best when Westbrook is full speed. I am assuming this is similar with the Rockets except the Rockets have better shooters than the Thunder to spread the floor for Harden.

    However, I am just saying I guess since these are mostly uncontested rebounds, you cannot use them to like really judge how good of a rebounder Westbrook is. He is an excellent rebounder for a guard regardless of the uncontested/contested part, but you can say that his rebounding stats are “overrated”. There is a difference between overrated and “not elite”. You can be elite but still be overrated is all I am saying.

  • OttawaCityMadman

    Just say you don’t like him or his style of play I have no problem with that. Why is that so hard? But to say he is “over rated” just make you sound like a controversial idiot. He will be an instant hall of famer and will be considered of of the best players all time at PG. Those are facts you just can’t argue with sorry…

  • zachlowry

    That’s funny because RWB averages more assists than anyone that plays for GSW

  • jimfred82

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    @superstars92 said...

    Yea there actually was an article about this before on ESPN. I can’t find that one but I did find this one which is similar

    http://fansided.com/2016/12/05/nylon-calculus-westbrook-triple-doubles/

    “They want Westbrook rebounding the ball because they see that as one of their best chances to turn defense into offense. You get the ball into Westbrook’s hands as quickly as possible and… he can turn just an ordinary defensive rebound into a fastbreak opportunity.”

    It’s a legitimate strategy and I agree with it. Also, it does help the Thunder too because they are clearly at their best when Westbrook is full speed. I am assuming this is similar with the Rockets except the Rockets have better shooters than the Thunder to spread the floor for Harden.

    However, I am just saying I guess since these are mostly uncontested rebounds, you cannot use them to like really judge how good of a rebounder Westbrook is. He is an excellent rebounder for a guard regardless of the uncontested/contested part, but you can say that his rebounding stats are “overrated”. There is a difference between overrated and “not elite”. You can be elite but still be overrated is all I am saying.

    Awesome article, and that really does put the rebounding into perspective. It’s also impressive that they can pull that off, because it really does help their offense because, like the article basically says, it’s pretty terrible once they get into the halfcourt.

  • munco

    He’s a one man army and can single handedly win a game on any given night. That one game in the NBA Finals versus the Cavs years ago was about as dominant a performance there’s ever been in a Finals game (think they still lost though). He might take some bad shots and make some bad decisions but the guy does it all. The fact he’s in the hunt to average a triple double is crazy. Even if he has a bad shooting night he’s still getting rebounds and making the opposing team’s defense focus on him.

    People said the same thing about Iverson but I think Westbrook is even more dominant than AI in his prime.

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    @pburghpens22 said...

    I could make a list of 20 players I’d rather have on my team than Westbrook…I just watch him and I’m not impressed…his shot isn’t good and he looks out of control dribbling all the time. I get that he averages a triple double, but almost 6 turnovers a game and he struggles with his shot? Alot of players could get 30 if they shoot 30 times a game

    How am I the only person craving this 20-man list?

  • Njsum1

    38-10-10-4-1 and he hit the game winner in Utah against one of the best defensive teams in the league. Overrated is a relative term, if he was the consensus #1 player in the NBA then I could see the argument that’s he’s overrated, yet if we’re saying he’s currently a consensus top 5 player, Id say he’s rated just about right.

  • mellofellowsu

    @pburghpens22 said...

    Westbrook is the most overrated player in this league

    nm

  • cuwclarke

    Amen. He’s erratic. So talented and more athletic than probably anyone in the league. But his shot is gross, he’s wild. I get that he doesn’t have help around him and needs to shoot, but it’s playground ball. Very hard to watch.

  • SmokeyTheBear

    @cuwclarke said...

    Amen. He’s erratic. So talented and more athletic than probably anyone in the league. But his shot is gross, he’s wild. I get that he doesn’t have help around him and needs to shoot, but it’s playground ball. Very hard to watch.

    you really had find an old russ thread to point out the general opinion of him?

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