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  • mjordantmac

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    I would hate to be the cause of another DFS world war but something has to be done. It was pretty obvious (through Twitter) that some of us were mad at the fact that we don’t have the ability to mass edit on FD. The Lowry news on 1/18 about 13 minutes before lock was very tough to handle on FD due to not being able to use CSV’s. Consider the next few points when analyzing Saahil’s lineups.

    • Lowry was $9k. The next closest priced PG was $6.7 (Dragic)… a considerable amount less than Lowry
    • You couldn’t global swap Jameer Nelson (a popular value play before the Lowry news) because Nelson was cheaper than Joseph
    • With no CSV’s to edit and 150 lineups in every tournament, it becomes near impossible to adjust lineups in ten minutes

    Here is a link to yesterday’s qualifier (smallest tournament I could find) to see all 150 of his entries.

    FD Qualifier Link

    The following image is approximately his 100+ lineup on the 236th page.

    I’d say about 95% of his lineups up to that point all had Joseph and used up the salary cap. High volume players in this same tournament had about $5k leftover salary because of their global swap efforts. It seems to me that Saahil is doing this on his own and FD has decided to ignore the issue. Both are in wrongdoing and nothing is being done.

    Seems like a coincidence that Saahil crushed every tournament on the site? I think not.

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/17689/contests/17689-206642361/scoring
    https://www.fanduel.com/games/17689/contests/17689-206642422/scoring
    https://www.fanduel.com/games/17689/contests/17689-206642481/entries/1144522924/scoring?entry=1144522924
    https://www.fanduel.com/games/17689/contests/17689-206642509/scoring

    Cory Joseph will most likely replace Channing Frye as Saahil’s new favorite player.
    Feel free to discuss.

  • Gqinxs

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    100% agree Manny. It was impossible to edit a large volume of lineups by hand last night optimally. There was a thread about this exact topic on mass editing by Saahil on this forum a week or two ago but I can’t seem to find it? Maybe it was deleted by a mod?

  • CJtheGrump

    To play Devil’s Advocate:

    - What was his planned exposure to Lowry in the first place? Can’t be known, but if it was only 20% (possible) this would be far less daunting a task than if it were 60%.

    - Do you think he could accomplish this with a multi-tab, multi-device, multi-screen approach? All lineups ready to edit? Maybe he works from a spreadsheet which contains each lineup and a link to a contest he’s entered. Then he just page-finds “LOWRY” and opens only the necessary contests each in new tabs.

    - Is it possible he had a relatively high exposure to Joseph in the first place?

  • Jaredmlevitt

    @CJtheGrump said...

    To play Devil’s Advocate:

    - What was his planned exposure to Lowry in the first place? Can’t be known, but if it was only 20% (possible) this would be far less daunting a task than if it were 60%.

    - Do you think he could accomplish this with a multi-tab, multi-device, multi-screen approach? All lineups ready to edit? Maybe he works from a spreadsheet which contains each lineup and a link to a contest he’s entered. Then he just page-finds “LOWRY” and opens only the necessary contests each in new tabs.

    - Is it possible he had a relatively high exposure to Joseph in the first place?

    Agree w/ this take. Cory Joseph early on was a good play. Bkn is awful and last time out against them, Joseph had 34 fd points. More than likely, his exposure was always for Joseph and not Lowry.

  • crazypaul

    From what I saw from my Twitter list of DFS players last night, many pro’s were already on Joseph before the news and contemplated taking him out of their lineups after the Lowry news broke because of increased ownership. That’s not to say that something sketchy may not have happened, but can you really say it did without any proof other than “well, EVERYONE was going to use Lowry”.

  • bric75

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    He also plays other sites. Even at 50% on CJ ( unlikely before the news) , changing all the other sites and FD?

    Would be interested to see how he does it.

  • EadesScience

    Well….I chose to fry porkchops instead of staying glued to my Twitter feed last night and consequently got stuck with Lowry in nearly half my lineups. On the happier note..The porkchops were really good.

    As far as Saahilsud and him circumventing any rules or policies, I just do not think that the man would put himself in that situation and take the chance on losing his ability to play at FD. I take the stance that he is innocent and that this thread hopefully will not become accusatory without any real evidence to base this on other than opinions and impressions.

    Ricky

  • Jaredmlevitt

    @EadesScience said...

    Well….I chose to fry porkchops instead of staying glued to my Twitter feed last night and consequently got stuck with Lowry in nearly half my lineups. On the happier note..The porkchops were really good.

    As far as Saahilsud and him circumventing any rules or policies, I just do not think that the man would put himself in that situation and take the chance on losing his ability to play at FD. I take the stance that he is innocent and that this thread hopefully will not become accusatory without any real evidence to base this on other than opinions and impressions.

    Ricky

    dry rub or marinade? important details you left out.

  • mabrla

    @EadesScience said...

    Well….I chose to fry porkchops instead of staying glued to my Twitter feed last night and consequently got stuck with Lowry in nearly half my lineups. On the happier note..The porkchops were really good.

    As far as Saahilsud and him circumventing any rules or policies, I just do not think that the man would put himself in that situation and take the chance on losing his ability to play at FD. I take the stance that he is innocent and that this thread hopefully will not become accusatory without any real evidence to base this on other than opinions and impressions.

    Ricky

    I’ve seen tweets and hints that would show that there may be a CSV coming for FD.

  • dakimbell

    Quick player replace you just start culling Lowry out of every lineup and upgrading elsewhere. It’s not really efficient but it’s possible. Plus I’m not sure he would have planned having much exposure to Lowry anyways yesterday.

  • bric75

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    I play the five main sites every night and 150 both fd and dk.

    Getting all those changes in before lock and getting CJ into 95% of your lineups (from any reasonable pre Lowry news level) on FD is, in my opinion, highly unlikely without some help.

    13 minutes just isn’t enough time.

    And if he only plays FD and DK. I still think it’s impossible without help.

    I’m happy to be shown wrong though.

  • Ross

    Since this exact matchup was played last week with Lowry in, it’s pretty easy to see he had some exposure to Joseph in that game also.

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/17642/contests/17642-206536427/entries/1140464799/scoring The first lineup of his in the Slam from 1/13 has Joseph, I am not going to dig through 1100+ pages of names to find all of his entries, but it does show he liked Joseph even with Lowry playing.

  • dakimbell

    @bric75 said...

    I play the five main sites every night and 150 both fd and dk.

    Getting all those changes in before lock and getting CJ into 95% of your lineups (from any reasonable pre Lowry news level) on FD is, in my opinion, highly unlikely without some help.

    13 minutes just isn’t enough time.

    And if he only plays FD and DK. I still think it’s impossible without help.

    I’m happy to be shown wrong though.

    i could get Lowry out and Joseph in to 1000’s of lineups in 13 minutes and upgrade to where I didnt leave much salary on the table. It would by no means be optimal but definitely possible

  • e4e5nf3nc6

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    @Ross said...

    Since this exact matchup was played last week with Lowry in, it’s pretty easy to see he had some exposure to Joseph in that game also.

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/17642/contests/17642-206536427/entries/1140464799/scoring The first lineup of his in the Slam from 1/13 has Joseph, I am not going to dig through 1100+ pages of names to find all of his entries, but it does show he liked Joseph even with Lowry playing.

    I cant find another Jospeh lineup

  • bric75

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    @dakimbell said...

    i could get Lowry out and Joseph in to 1000’s of lineups in 13 minutes and upgrade to where I didnt leave much salary on the table. It would by no means be optimal but definitely possible

    Right, but we are going on the OP’s assumption. That he max’s his salary cap. Obviously I realize you can mass edit one player.

    But you bring up a point. He could write a script that would use the mass edit feature. Not optimal but way better than what everyone else has.

  • bric75

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    And also remember he plays other sites. Unless you tried this a bunch of times, and I imagine not a ton of people have, it’s really f ing hard.

  • saahilsud

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    @mjordantmac said...

    I’d say about 95% of his lineups up to that point all had Joseph and used up the salary cap.

    This is not true I had 5 out of 17 lineups in the Monster without Joseph (I believe my ending CJ exposure was around 55% in all tournies). Of course all my top lineups had Joseph so if you are scrolling through from front to back it would seem like I had all Joseph.

    I had a substantial amount of Joseph pre the news and if you follow my lineups closely you know that I am generally pretty bullish on CJ.

    Much of my Lowry I had was swapped 2v2 with Joseph/Rozan for Lowry/Barton. You can also global player swap on FD upwards in price provided you have the available salary

  • Ross
    @e4e5nf3nc6 said...

    I cant find another Jospeh lineup

    I found a couple in that GPP from last week. It’s difficult without a CSV. https://www.fanduel.com/games/17642/contests/17642-206536427/entries/1140464799/scoring?entry=1140464835

    Here is one from DK on the same night 1/13 with Lowry playing vs Brooklyn. https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/36421410 If you download the CSV it’s pretty easy to see his exposure to Joseph is high. (71 of 150 lineups)

  • e4e5nf3nc6

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    Cool, thanks Ross

  • e4e5nf3nc6

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    @saahilsud said...

    This is not true I had 5 out of 17 lineups in the Monster without Joseph (I believe my ending CJ exposure was around 55% in all tournies). Of course all my top lineups had Joseph so if you are scrolling through from front to back it would seem like I had all Joseph.

    I had a substantial amount of Joseph pre the news and if you follow my lineups closely you know that I am generally pretty bullish on CJ.

    Much of my Lowry I had was swapped 2v2 with Joseph/Rozan for Lowry/Barton. You can also global player swap on FD upwards in price provided you have the available salary

    Were you able to get some of your Nelsons up to Joseph?

    Congrats on the good night!

  • squirrelpatrol

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    This is nowhere near as impossible as some are making it seem. The FanDuel Global Swap feature allows you to replace the player with any player where the salary will fit, even if the player is more expensive. So he could global swap from Lowry to Joseph, then he has $5100 salary left over in a large number of lineups. But he just has to do one more global swap on a player he has large exposure to – last night say Will Barton to Demar DeRozan – and it will make that swap in whatever lineup it can. So his Lowry/Barton lineups all become Joseph/DeRozan in a matter of seconds, with minimal salary left. It might take a few global swaps (accounting for Lowry lineups where he didn’t have Barton, or Lowry lineups where he already had both Barton and DeRozan) but in a few minutes anyone would be able to get their lineups near-optimal. Also the first thing I did on FanDuel when this news broke was swap Nelson for Joseph in whatever lineup I could (basically lineups where I had Nelson and $100 left), so that could factor in as well.

  • squirrelpatrol

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    Wow according to Saahil’s post I actually nailed his double-swap in my post above without even knowing. :-)

  • wolfpack8181

    We should be careful assuming that their is any wrongdoings going on. You need proof but not an assumption that he is cheating or doing something he shouldn’t. I don’t know him or probably play in his tourneys, I am a just an average Joe in this for fun.
    The best part of this thread would be the Porkchops!
    We all have to admit that pros and average guys play fantasy sports. We can’t assume cheating or wrongdoings are happenings because they are good.

  • dakimbell

    @bric75 said...

    And also remember he plays other sites. Unless you tried this a bunch of times, and I imagine not a ton of people have, it’s really f ing hard.

    Not really hard, as people above had said it becomes a mix and match 2×2 game with quick player replace. What made it a bit more challenging lastnight was the big gaps in salary, but there was plenty of time to make sweeping changes

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Any way he employed people who help build lineups, or make changes in situations like this?

    I’m at a tipping point with FanDuel as it is, so I don’t dismiss the OP’s hypothesis, but trying to think of other potential explanations before assessing how likely that may be.

  • kellykip

    I heard he lost like 5 minutes cause he tried to sub in Patrice Bergeron for Lowry.

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