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  • EadesScience

    Wow! It looks like Saahil is going in a direction involving a long-term commitment to the DFS community. Take a look at the latest Forbes article.

    Link to Forbes Article.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    I wish that Jason Robins would understand that the optics of this do not reflect well on DraftKings

  • Chance

    I wonder when Saahil will take it to the next level and actually use RotoQL data in his DFS contests.

  • KindGuy

    I’m confused? What is exactly is going on? Is DK teaming up with RotoQL?

  • Jvanspro

    This is the worst move DK could make. Why would a company invest in the highest volume player. I really can’t think of a dumber move for DK. I hope the merger falls though if they are going to run a company this way. I will never play on that site.

  • Enlightenmint

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    Lol you guys are hilarious. They are investing in sports data just like both dk n fd have done from the beginning. Jvanspro ๐Ÿ˜‚

  • Jvanspro

    Seems like a good idea from and industry and perception standpoint to be in bed with the highest volume player.

  • CUTiger81

    Regardless of the reasoning behind this, the optics are atrocious and if there’s one thing Jason should know by now it’s how important optics are.

  • Messiah717

    @elementasrat said...

    I’m confused? What is exactly is going on? Is DK teaming up with RotoQL?

    It looks like DK is investing in RotoQL. Basically RotoQL sought out venture capitalists to further fund their expansion and growth. Whether DK should be involved in something like this is the debate I guess. The highest level DFS player’s company.

  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @elementasrat said...

    I’m confused? What is exactly is going on? Is DK teaming up with RotoQL?

    no. Jason Robbins as a private investor is investing in rotoql.

  • fanturds

    I hated this fluff piece.

    DFS isn’t a game of skill or gambling.

    It’s both, like horse racing.

  • depalma13

    Just when you think the DFS leadership can’t be any dumber, they go and prove you wrong.

  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @Messiah717 said...

    It looks like DK is investing in RotoQL. Basically RotoQL sought out venture capitalists to further fund their expansion and growth. Whether DK should be involved in something like this is the debate I guess. The highest level DFS player’s company.

    They are? Where in the article did it say Draftkings was investing in rotoql? JASON ROBINS is investing in Rotoql, not Draftkings.

    That being said, this just adds fuel to the fire going all the way back to when Draftkings blatantly allowed certain users to break their TOS by allowing them to mass entering contests using scripts (and win millions of dollars) when, at the time, there were supposed to be rules in place preventing this. Instead, the winning users went unpunished, collected millions of dollars, and in fact were rewarded with new rules allowing them to now mass enter gpp’s using scripts and the like. Still to this day nobody has looked into THAT entire fiasco.

    So does it surprise me that Jason Robins is investing in something that Saahil Suud is involved in? Not one bit. In fact, I would EXPECT it.

  • Jvanspro

    @thedude404 said...

    no. Jason Robbins as a private investor is investing in rotoql.

    This is mere semantics. The fact the the CEO of DK is investing as a private investor is DK investing.

    DK is a game provider not a content provider and they shouldn’t intermingle.

    Also, now that Sahil is in bed with them should he be allowed to play? They don’t allow employees to play. Dude had to be drunk to think this is in any way a good idea.

  • thedude404

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @Jvanspro said...

    This is mere semantics. The fact the the CEO of DK is investing as a private investor is DK investing.

    DK is a game provider not a content provider and they shouldn’t intermingle.

    Also, now that Sahil is in bed with them should he be allowed to play? They don’t allow employees to play. Dude had to be drunk to think this is in any way a good idea.

    Well, I do agree with you that it does not look good. But having a CEO of DK investing in a company you are involved in does not then make you an employee of DK. So of course he should still be allowed to play on DK. Does it look good? Absolutely not.

  • vandymark

    I miss the days when SaahilSud entered NHL head to head contest.. want to talk about easy wins!

  • da__derf

    @vandymark said...

    I miss the days when SaahilSud entered NHL head to head contest.. want to talk about easy wins!

    This is why he needs the money/“investors”, you broke him with those NHL H2Hs! ;)

  • deactivated51600

    Sorry. Have not been on the RotoQL site so I have no clue, but curious. On the site does Saahil teach his exact methods of how he constructs his rosters? Or, does he just provide projections and builders and tools, etc? His secret sauce isn’t his projections. It’s whatever method he uses to piece them together into a finite set of 150.

  • da__derf

    @whoisjohngalt said...

    Sorry. Have not been on the RotoQL site so I have no clue, but curious. On the site does Saahil teach his exact methods of how he constructs his rosters? Or, does he just provide projections and builders and tools, etc? His secret sauce isn’t his projections. It’s whatever method he uses to piece them together into a finite set of 150.

    When I sub’ed for a month last year, it was primarily just projections (from who, can’t be sure) and a multi-lineup creator that imho was not setup very well and difficult to use. There were some other aspects of the site, like lineups/weather that you can get here at RG as well. It honesty felt like a paid RG site, minus the community, that wasn’t setup very well.

    I highly doubt he would give away his “secret sauce” of how he puts together his lineups, I’m sure it always changes anyway based on contest. And he plays in pretty much every contest.

  • Jvanspro

    @thedude404 said...

    Well, I do agree with you that it does not look good. But having a CEO of DK investing in a company you are involved in does not then make you an employee of DK. So of course he should still be allowed to play on DK. Does it look good? Absolutely not.

    I agree with you. However, I also see this as a huge conflict of interest and could easily see a lawsuit in the future regarding that.

  • da__derf

    It’s just semantics whether it’s DK as an entity or the CEO of DK privately investing. DK was already promoting the site prior to any investment from a member of DK being known:

    “DraftKings and the relationship with RotoQL goes beyond just the funding by Robins. An email to DraftKings users in March offered a free three-day trial to the site. ‘Saahil Sud (formerly Maxdalury) started RotoQL to provide DFS players with the analytics and tools that have supported his accomplishments (#1 player ranked on independent leaderboards), and now you can try it out for free,’ the email read.”

    http://www.legalsportsreport.com/13765/rotoql-draftkings-ceo-robins/

  • Messiah717

    It just all seems very slimy to me. Like those television house flippers turning around selling you their systems. Meanwhile the information they’re selling is junk and just a way to get your money. In this case it’s subscribe to this and you can start winning like me.

  • Cpjttogether

    this whole industry does not understand the concept of conflicts of interest. There are conflicts of interest all over the place. But whatever, I guess a jockey can bet on his own horse. This type of stuff is why Nevada said get a liscense or get out, imo.

  • EadesScience

    @whoisjohngalt said...

    Sorry. Have not been on the RotoQL site so I have no clue, but curious. On the site does Saahil teach his exact methods of how he constructs his rosters? Or, does he just provide projections and builders and tools, etc? His secret sauce isnโ€™t his projections. Itโ€™s whatever method he uses to piece them together into a finite set of 150.

    I have been a subscriber since the creation of the site and still am. Their is a whole lot to this service that takes some time to understand. Saahil focuses more on a player learning the process via his university system than just a auto-generation of lineups. The ability to generate “Your” own projections rather than rely upon those of someone else is a biggy for me. You have all the usual suspects data wise that you would ever need, but it is how much weight you put on certain fields of that data that allow for you the user to assign a projection. The lineup generator does not allow for the user to just say give me 150 lineups without the user having input.

    I have no idea if this is the exact algorithm that Saahil uses, but I do know that our lineups are very similar at the end of the night only I play flyweight tournaments while he is in the heavy weight division. All in all, it is a good fit for me because of the method that that I can stack games and save them all within one csv file. I by no means mass enter 150 LUs, more like 20-25.

    Ricky

  • Cpjttogether

    So we play on draft kings and pay draft kings owned roto ql to tell us what players to play? And then we play on fan duel and pay fan duel owned number fire to tell us what players to play? So will they design there pricing algorithms, to favor there premium sites projections and line ups over the other 989 premium sites ? And if its not possible to compete without these tools, do we get anything for not knowing that before, Instead of having to pay premium fees and double the rake?

  • ThatStunna

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    If anyone wants to exploit the insider advantage that RotoQL projections now have, I have plenty of head to heads open.

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