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  • mileyvirus

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/23123343

    the link speaks for itself…he didn’t take it down, but he was on the correct core and that was huge for him. i don’t play much baseball so i’m not that angry about it. a pretty good night if i say so.

  • tvsfrink

    Who cares?

  • deactivated60279

    Read maxdalury’s Wikipedia and it’s pretty clear (not confirmed) that he is a child of privilege. I don’t care about this, however I’m just saying more likely than not someone who went to a highschool school that costs more than most colleges, and has a squash and fencing team imo is proof enough for me. You didn’t say that he started with a huge BR u said he wasn’t born with this $. I’m pretty sure that statement is incorrect and that he had plenty of means to perfect his craft.

  • scoop85

    @cAUmberlandtiger8 said...

    How is multi entry not fantasy sports?

    Fantasy sports involves skill. Season long and Single entry fall into this category. Multi entry is garbage and part of the reason why states have banned it and why there is so much negative feedback from other players, government and so on……What talent is needed to beat someone with your 10 lineups to another players 1 lineup. (That is an example – so don’t read into and claim the lottery is unfair as well)

    Multi entry should not be called fantasy sports, it should be called “hello sucker you going to have to beat my 200 lineups today with your 1 entry…….Good luck fool”

    Once again Multi entry is NOT fantasy sports

    Love to all the Pumpkin pie heads

  • scoop85

    @tvsfrink said...

    Who cares?

    You do

  • scoop85

    @Ryazan said...

    ok, prove it that he STARTED with a huge bankroll and didn’t create it on his own.

    Lol you told him….you PPH

  • FFguru71

    The ironic thing is…if these “pros” were stuck doing single entry night after night after night and only ebing able to fire “one bullet” like everyone else, they would basically suck at it, and they know it. The ONLY way they can win a lot is by multi entering…that ISN’T impressive to me, at all. All that is is a “I have more $$ than you, so I’m going to multi enter because I can” contest. IF any of these pros could only put in one entry in ANY tournament like most of us, I will 1000% guarantee you they would NOT consistently win big $$. Now, if they did that, I would be impressed. They win because they have a lot of $$, and because they have a lot of $$ they can multi enter, thereby increasing their odds of winning even more $$.

    I have often thought I would LOVE to play any one of these pros mano y mano…but the rules would be….no using ANY research at all, no computer programs nothing, Just using your sports knowledge….I would absolutely destroy most any of them consistently. Why?? because i’d bet 80% of them or more(and that includes all DFS players) aren’t even “hard core” sports fans, or have that much knowledge of the sport they play…but what they do have is an understanding of numbers and statistics(mathematically, not basic sports stats), and THAT’S how they win. It’s sad that the people with the TRUE sports knowledge aren’t the ones winning consistently, but they flat out aren’t. They are the #‘s people that are winning…that’s not fantasy sports, that’s fantasy math and statistics.

  • mooseHAMMER78

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    @FFguru71 said...

    The ironic thing is…if these “pros” were stuck doing single entry night after night after night and only ebing able to fire “one bullet” like everyone else, they would basically suck at it, and they know it. The ONLY way they can win a lot is by multi entering…that ISN’T impressive to me, at all. All that is is a “I have more $$ than you, so I’m going to multi enter because I can” contest. IF any of these pros could only put in one entry in ANY tournament like most of us, I will 1000% guarantee you they would NOT consistently win big $$. Now, if they did that, I would be impressed. They win because they have a lot of $$, and because they have a lot of $$ they can multi enter, thereby increasing their odds of winning even more $$.

    I have often thought I would LOVE to play any one of these pros mano y mano…but the rules would be….no using ANY research at all, no computer programs nothing, Just using your sports knowledge….I would absolutely destroy most any of them consistently. Why?? because i’d bet 80% of them or more(and that includes all DFS players) aren’t even “hard core” sports fans, or have that much knowledge of the sport they play…but what they do have is an understanding of numbers and statistics(mathematically, not basic sports stats), and THAT’S how they win. It’s sad that the people with the TRUE sports knowledge aren’t the ones winning consistently, but they flat out aren’t. They are the #‘s people that are winning…that’s not fantasy sports, that’s fantasy math and statistics.

    @FFguru71, Most of the pros have head to heads posted where you can play them “mano y mano”

  • TheKid2430

    @FFguru71 said...

    The ironic thing is…if these “pros” were stuck doing single entry night after night after night and only ebing able to fire “one bullet” like everyone else, they would basically suck at it, and they know it. The ONLY way they can win a lot is by multi entering…that ISN’T impressive to me, at all. All that is is a “I have more $$ than you, so I’m going to multi enter because I can” contest. IF any of these pros could only put in one entry in ANY tournament like most of us, I will 1000% guarantee you they would NOT consistently win big $$. Now, if they did that, I would be impressed. They win because they have a lot of $$, and because they have a lot of $$ they can multi enter, thereby increasing their odds of winning even more $$.

    I have often thought I would LOVE to play any one of these pros mano y mano…but the rules would be….no using ANY research at all, no computer programs nothing, Just using your sports knowledge….I would absolutely destroy most any of them consistently. Why?? because i’d bet 80% of them or more(and that includes all DFS players) aren’t even “hard core” sports fans, or have that much knowledge of the sport they play…but what they do have is an understanding of numbers and statistics(mathematically, not basic sports stats), and THAT’S how they win. It’s sad that the people with the TRUE sports knowledge aren’t the ones winning consistently, but they flat out aren’t. They are the #‘s people that are winning…that’s not fantasy sports, that’s fantasy math and statistics.

    The amount of times someone spews BS like this gives me so much faith dfs is going to stay profitable. You do realize that almost all those “pros” identify an optimal lineup that DOES go in all cash games and single entry stuff. In multi-entry each addt’l lineup is slightly less profitable than the previous and how good you are depends what end of the +EV% / -EV% spectrum your lineups start at. If you are playing a tourney with 100 allowed entries and your 1 entry is -12% ROI long term (say you are a break even player after the rake) and say max’s 1st entry(his highest +ev lineup) has a 14% ROI, then his 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc will have less expected returns but they are still better lineups than yours. Thanks for keeping the hope alive for DFS though.

  • TheKid2430

    Most “pros” use one cash game lineup for H2H’s/5050’s. So take their games every night and profit.

  • yeahthisiscuddy

    @TheKid2430 said...

    The amount of times someone spews BS like this gives me so much faith dfs is going to stay profitable. You do realize that almost all those “pros” identify an optimal lineup that DOES go in all cash games and single entry stuff. In multi-entry each addt’l lineup is slightly less profitable than the previous and how good you are depends what end of the +EV% / -EV% spectrum your lineups start at. If you are playing a tourney with 100 allowed entries and your 1 entry is -12% ROI long term (say you are a break even player after the rake) and say max’s 1st entry(his highest +ev lineup) has a 14% ROI, then his 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc will have less expected returns but they are still better lineups than yours. Thanks for keeping the hope alive for DFS though.

    This is so wrong. Pros regularly enter lineups with busted stacks, even in high dollar tournaments. There’s no way those are “slightly less optimal” to their favorite lineups as you claim.

    They’re throwing darts of good hitting teams against weak pitchers. Sometimes it hits and they win a bunch of money. Most often they don’t.

  • btwice80

    @mooseHAMMER78 said...

    @FFguru71, Most of the pros have head to heads posted where you can play them “mano y mano”

    Yeah, but those lineups might have been made using research and/or computer programs, and both of those are expressly against FFguru’s rules.

  • deactivated60279

    I don’t have a dog in this fight. On the other hand, I do know there is a whole different skill to mass multi entering. It’s not just fire 200 lineups and win. Furthermore we like the big payouts t mme brings about. It does make the playing field uneven though.

  • tvsfrink

    @scoop85 said...

    You do

    I don’t care where he got his money.

  • TheKid2430

    @yeahthisiscuddy said...

    This is so wrong. Pros regularly enter lineups with busted stacks, even in high dollar tournaments. There’s no way those are “slightly less optimal” to their favorite lineups as you claim.

    They’re throwing darts of good hitting teams against weak pitchers. Sometimes it hits and they win a bunch of money. Most often they don’t.

    You are referring to variance, not EV or ROI. As well as you literally just described how the profitable multi-entry GPP players make money whether you know it or not (sometimes it hits and they win all the money and more nights than not they have negative returns on gpps)

  • tonytone1908

    @FFguru71 said...

    It’s sad that the people with the TRUE sports knowledge aren’t the ones winning consistently, but they flat out aren’t. They are the #‘s people that are winning…that’s not fantasy sports, that’s fantasy math and statistics.

    Far as I can tell it’s the numbers people who are winning in REAL sports as well. Ever hear of Moneyball? Or Theo Epstein? Or the evolution of the 3 point shot?

  • FFguru71

    @btwice80 said...

    Yeah, but those lineups might have been made using research and/or computer programs, and both of those are expressly against FFguru’s rules.

    You’re exactly right….I want it mano y mano based strictly on sports knowledge…no stats, no data NOTHING. You know why they would struggle so much under this scenario?? Because as i said, at least 80% aren’t true sports fans…they are just good with numbers. If you had to have people make LU’s using nothing but knowledge of the players themselves 95% of DFS players would rarely win much $$ i’d bet. By pure knowledge, I mean knowing who the players are, being able to name every player on every roster in said sport. Knowing at least something about his college/minor league career etc. No google searches nothing. THEN let’s see how these big $$ winners do. Hell, I remember reading an article about a guy a year or so ago, that fully admitted he had NEVER watched an inning of baseball in his life, but thought he’d give DFS a try because admittedly “I’m good with numbers”. Lo and behold, he won a large GPP his first time trying. He didn’t even know who the players were he was taking, but the #‘s said to take them, so he did. It’s things like that that irritate me. Most people that play DFS outside the basic star players will see someone on someone’s roster and go “who”?? Even though he isn’t that unknown of a player, at least to those that follow those sports. It sucks that true sports knowledge means nothing in DFS.

  • smutpeddlers

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/al-smizzle-s-quarter-arcade-challenge-271924 I’ll put this right here and bump Smizzles orginal post so all the people saying they would win can post results to show how easy it is….

  • FFguru71

    @TheKid2430 said...

    The amount of times someone spews BS like this gives me so much faith dfs is going to stay profitable. You do realize that almost all those “pros” identify an optimal lineup that DOES go in all cash games and single entry stuff. In multi-entry each addt’l lineup is slightly less profitable than the previous and how good you are depends what end of the +EV% / -EV% spectrum your lineups start at. If you are playing a tourney with 100 allowed entries and your 1 entry is -12% ROI long term (say you are a break even player after the rake) and say max’s 1st entry(his highest +ev lineup) has a 14% ROI, then his 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc will have less expected returns but they are still better lineups than yours. Thanks for keeping the hope alive for DFS though.

    Tell me how many “pros” have ever won a very large field GPP, by entering ONE single LU in a tournament like that?? Yes, I know they enter one LU in single entries, I have seen them…Maybe I wasn’t clear, but I meant more entering only ONE entry in a very large multi entry tournament. They wouldnt do it….you know why?? Because they KNOW they wouldn’t win it only firing a single bullet time after time. that’s my point. They do multi entry because they have the $$ to do so and for many of them it’s just a My d*** is bigger than yours contest.

    Let’s see Max or gandorf and any of those other ones that always MAX enter these large fiield GPP’s, enter them once and let’s see how profitable they are. I already know that answer.

    That’s my challenge to any of them that may read these threads…single enter large field GPP’s for a season in that sport….specifically NFL or MLB and don’t use any research or data or anything, Just your knowledge of the players…report back at the end of said season and let’s see how you do. No one will take me up on it….because they know I’m right.

  • btwice80

    @FFguru71 said...

    By pure knowledge, I mean knowing who the players are, being able to name every player on every roster in said sport. Knowing at least something about his college/minor league career etc.

    I’ve been playing fantasy sports for nearly 20 years, back when all I used was the stats on espn.com. I’ve never known the stuff you’re talking about (although in my roto prime I did know the names of most players on a MLB roster). Fantasy sports have always been a mathematical puzzle to me.

    edit: I actually do know more about players’ minor league careers nowadays thanks to BBreference. But not till they’re relevant MLB players.

  • FFguru71

    @btwice80 said...

    I’ve been playing fantasy sports for nearly 20 years, back when all I used was the stats on espn.com. I’ve never known the stuff you’re talking about (although in my roto prime I did know the names of most players on a MLB roster). Fantasy sports have always been a mathematical puzzle to me.

    But looking at sts on ESPN is still using SOME research…Look at nothing but pure sports knowledge and ok game logs too I suppose….then lets see how 95% of DFsers do. It would be a whole different game then wouldn’t it??

  • billholler

    For the few that think it’s so easy, I got drunk and entered a $5 entry Mon-Thurs football tourney on DK about 60 times. Thought I was a big baller. Happened to win. Loaded up that weekend, and had a good weekend. Finally, a bank roll. The rest of the NFL season I never had less than 300 lineups, usually closer to 600 lineups every weekend. NBA season was going well too. Then seemed to hit a wall. Almost every night I was just hoping to get 20% of my investment back. Then I finally won a tourney and thought I was back on track. Then a couple bad nights in a row and I’m back to where I started from. A few good weekends with NASCAR and golf followed by a bad week pf NBA or MLB and I’m again back to where I started from.

    I own my own business and am afforded the time and medium ranged bankroll to play a lot but it only takes a few bad nights or a player taking a day of rest at the last minute to kill a bankroll. Not as easy as some of you single entry guys seem to think.

  • Mangone

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    @FFguru71 said...

    Tell me how many “pros” have ever won a very large field GPP, by entering ONE single LU in a tournament like that?? Yes, I know they enter one LU in single entries, I have seen them…Maybe I wasn’t clear, but I meant more entering only ONE entry in a very large multi entry tournament. They wouldnt do it….you know why?? Because they KNOW they wouldn’t win it only firing a single bullet time after time. that’s my point. They do multi entry because they have the $$ to do so and for many of them it’s just a My d*** is bigger than yours contest.

    Let’s see Max or gandorf and any of those other ones that always MAX enter these large fiield GPP’s, enter them once and let’s see how profitable they are. I already know that answer.

    That’s my challenge to any of them that may read these threads…single enter large field GPP’s for a season in that sport….specifically NFL or MLB and don’t use any research or data or anything, Just your knowledge of the players…report back at the end of said season and let’s see how you do. No one will take me up on it….because they know I’m right.

    Your “challenge” will not make them money and honestly its pretty dumb imo….if its all just stats and math and multi entry why don’t you go take a night class on computer programming and some math courses and learn more. Maybe you can learn how to do what they do if its so easy or better yet you can also use your amazing sports knowledge as well with stats and computer skills and be a better version of Sahillsud since your sports knowledge is so amazing…..Like what Sahillsud does is very impressive.

  • Jazzraz

    @FFguru71 said...

    But looking at sts on ESPN is still using SOME research…Look at nothing but pure sports knowledge and ok game logs too I suppose….then lets see how 95% of DFsers do. It would be a whole different game then wouldn’t it??

    So you’re saying you would be better than most DFsers at a form of DFS that doesn’t exist where you put a single entry into giant GPP’s and don’t use research of any kind and just rely on sports knowledge?

  • VinnieMaf

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    Well, I never chimed in here at all, but I wanted to offer some hope. I am a semi-daily player, maybe play one lineup a day (might play up to 3 sports) for like $5 – $27. Took down an NBA one for $2,500 and then took a swing at bigger money entries. Never hit anything big beyond that.

    Then came this past week. One entry, $20. $50,000 win.

    So don’t be deterred by the big guys. Anyone can win.

    Edit: SaahilSud entered 100 times. Not a single one finished in the Top 500. The big bankrolls/plays are a definite advantage and I do not in any way look down on him for doing so – but it doesn’t mean this strategy is unbeatable!

  • baseballs

    my high school had squash too. the cafeteria ladies would put it in pasta Monday, mash it Wednesday, and make soup with the leftovers Friday.

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