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  • Ryazan

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    I want to begin this by pointing out that these 4 main issues, which some DFS players had problems with, are the reason the government got involved so suddenly and seemingly out of nowhere. However, it is very easy to ignore each and every one of these and still be a successful DFS player. Had people just kept focusing on themselves, their own teams, their own strategies, and their own research, then NONE of this would have happened. I can easily say that these issues did not affect me one bit, not when I was losing, not when I was winning.

    SCRIPTING – Scripting itself is just a time saving tool. Any of the pro’s that use scripts, they are using them after doing hours of analysis and research. It is not like people who use scripts just get on their computer, click a button, and BOOM they win all of your money. These people, I am sure, put in alot of hard work to come up with whatever it is they tell their script to do – the script does not do the thinking for them, it is just a time saver in the end when all is said and done. Whatever misunderstanding there was between the DFS sites and the scripts people used, believe me, is a completely minor issue that did not affect anyone’s winnings. People made a huge deal about it because they thought it was unfair unfair unfair!!! But a script can’t put together a lineup that wins. It is just a time saving tool. I do not know how to use scripts or any of that, but for 2 years of my DFS career, I couldn’t care less about scripts and who uses them – every single one of my losses, I chalk up to me making mistakes with my lineups, and that is the ONLY reason i lose. And when I won, and won alot, all the people using scripts to save them time, were losing to me. There is no cheating or BIG MAJOR issue when it comes to scripts – just a slightly confusing rule in the TOS.

    OWNERSHIP PERCENTAGES – The media has pounced on this, referring to it EVERYWHERE as “insider trading”. It is literally the reason why the FBI (for some reason) is involved in a full out investigation of DFS, as if people were actually making money off of insider information, which at this point, is not only just speculation (since DK cleared up their error, info was not known before 1pm), but it is being treated specifically as the MAIN REASON that some people win more money than other people. This is DFS – we may do all of your research, hell it can even be illegal research, but at the end of the day, it’s still all up to those millionaire athletes to play well. We players have no control over the outcome – none. So whatever mostly useless information that employees of websites may know, all it truly is, is JUST information. In the case of ownership percentages, no one has any kind of edge knowing that a player is EXACTLY 5.5% owned vs someone like me guessing that player will be 9% owned. It does not make me any more likely to take him if I knew his exact percentage. The media is treating the possibility of this as “knowing a player’s ownership percentage is stealing money from players that don’t know this and the DFS employees are cheating to win”. Completely awful logic. There is no actual insider trading going on, whether DFS employees have this information or not (and they said they do not).

    GAMBLING – If I walk into a casino every day and play slots for an hour, where I have no mental control at all over how much I lose or win, I am gambling. When I follow MLB and have a great feel for players, trends, streaks, and I put money on these players, I am INVESTING my money in SMART DECISIONS in order to MAKE MONEY. That is more like the stock market than it is gambling, because at least I have creative control over what I am doing with my money. A scratch ticket, you have no control at all for example. Let me make this very clear – putting money into players from different teams under a salary cap format is “investing into a portfolio of stocks for that one day” that if you are smart enough, will earn you some money. You cannot have a strategy in actual gambling – you just blindly throw your money into it, and hope for the best. How most others can’t see this logic is beyond me.

    MULTI-ENTRY (and the curious case of MaxDalury):

    Let me state a fact – MaxDalury does not have any more success than an average winning player. Let’s say an average winning player plays every day for a month, and overall puts in $1000 and turns that into $1200. I don’t know anyone’s true ROI so just bear with me. MaxDalury has the same exact success, except over a month, he probably puts in $1,000,000 and turns that into $1,200,000. So he may be a DFS millionaire, but the reason for that is because he puts in a crazy amount of money investing in his skills. The average player is comfortable putting in $1000 per month. The fact that Max uses scripts and multi-enters like crazy, he actually takes on a TON of risk, and you may see him win huge sometimes, but he plays every day, and I am sure he loses huge just as often. It is not like he is cheating somehow, putting in $1000, and coming out of it with $1,000,000. YOU GET OUT WHAT YOU PUT IN. Multi-entering a ton of lineups is alot of hard work, even with a script, and I could personally care less if someone like Max puts in 500, because on some nights, my 20 handmade 1 by 1 lineups will beat ALL of his 500 and I come out on top. This isn’t limited to me – anyone who is good at fantasy sports can take down good money in tournaments/cash games if they just invest properly. Max is not taking advantage of anyone with what he does. You can put in 1 lineup every day for $5, and after a month, you might turn those $150 into $175. Max will be putting in 1000 lineups every day at $5000 per day, and after a month, he’ll turn $150,000 into $175,000. No one who is multi entering has some kind of financial edge over their ROI compared to yours, they are just risking more – YOU are risk averse, and Max is risk loving (just like me, just on a smaller scale) – but no one has some edge because of this based on what I just said here.

    The government has attacked our DFS industry because they are highly uninformed, highly sloppy, the media is quite literally an embarrassment in their reporting, and because so many people on here brought on attention to MINOR problems, sources picked it up, and in this internet age, it’s game over.

    This is similar to going to McDonalds and ordering a cheeseburger – a 4 oz patty is the norm for a cheeseburger, but you order one and notice that the patty is kind of small. You take it out, go home, weigh it, and it’s actually 3.7 oz. You post about it online and you find that hundreds of others have had a similar issue. Next thing you know, a week later, McDonalds is being banned across various states for deception, illegal sales, and conspiracy. You could have just eaten that delicious (but unhealthy lol) cheeseburger, enjoyed it, and moved on with life. But you chose to complain, and this is what your complaint got you. You were so worried about McDonald’s serving you properly sized patties, that you forgot how much you enjoy McDonalds – but now you can’t have McDonald’s anymore. By the way, the patties ended up being 3.7 oz and not 4 oz because the cooking method in some of their restaurants shrunk them by accident. But the government saw it differently without considering the logical facts.

  • iSplashRollz

    “Suddenly” and “out of nowhere”
    I encourage you to read this sir

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/has-anyone-read-the-ngc-decision-897133

  • Bay101

    Perception is the problem. People read how a small percentage of players are winning all the money in the DFS industry and are using computer software to help them. If both sites offered scripts for everyone to use, there would not be as much scrutiny on the industry. I tried putting in 100 lineups once. Took me about 3 hrs not using scripts. Won’t be doing that again. If pros can put in 500 unique lineups without help from scripts and still continue to win, then I will be impressed by these so experts.

  • Heterodox

    @Ryazan said...

    OWNERSHIP PERCENTAGES – The media has pounced on this, referring to it EVERYWHERE as “insider trading”. It is literally the reason why the FBI (for some reason) is involved in a full out investigation of DFS, as if people were actually making money off of insider information, which at this point, is not only just speculation (since DK cleared up their error, info was not known before 1pm), but it is being treated specifically as the MAIN REASON that some people win more money than other people. This is DFS – we may do all of your research, hell it can even be illegal research, but at the end of the day, it’s still all up to those millionaire athletes to play well.

    Is it the FBI that said it was investigating the business model or one of the AGs? The point is, it was just the catalyst, and I don’t even think it’s the main focus of any investigation, regardless of what the media chooses to emphasize. Also, don’t doubt that this storm was coming whether or not Ethan ever published that article. The sites are shady enough with their murky, fluctuating policies and lottery-like marketing tactics, lack of csv and ability to see all opponents, etc, but the FBI didn’t just up and decide to get involved over one misclick, and the NYT didn’t just decide to go hog wild on a whim.

    And you’re right that NONE of us can predict what athletes will actually do. That’s why it’s an advantage to know what your OPPONENT – not the athlete – will do. Yes, it is just information, but if they are closer to perfect information than you are, they absolutely have a mathematical edge over you, assuming they know how to apply that information. I don’t know why that’s even still being debated. The issue is whether or not it happens.

  • Ryazan

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    @Bay101 said...

    Perception is the problem. People read how a small percentage of players are winning all the money in the DFS industry and are using computer software to help them. If both sites offered scripts for everyone to use, there would not be as much scrutiny on the industry. I tried putting in 100 lineups once. Took me about 3 hrs not using scripts. Won’t be doing that again. If pros can put in 500 unique lineups without help from scripts and still continue to win, then I will be impressed by these so experts.

    well of course a small percentage are winning most of the money. Because that percentage also put in most of the money – but in what way is that a problem? Like I said, you get out what you put in. I wouldn’t use a script if it was offered. I want to have full control over every single player i put into every single lineup.

  • Ryazan

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    @Heterodox said...

    That’s why it’s an advantage to know what your OPPONENT – not the athlete – will do

    My opponent is using Brady/Gronk this week. I know this ahead of time let’s say. How does this inside info help me put together a lineup that beats that? And this is all speculation again, because DK has confirmed that nothing shady is going on, so the only reason people think there IS something going on, is because DK employees, who put in tons of money into fanduel contests, actually end up winning them from time to time. You get out what you put in, like i said.

  • DavidK44

    @Ryazan said...

    well of course a small percentage are winning most of the money. Because that percentage also put in most of the money – but in what way is that a problem? Like I said, you get out what you put in. I wouldn’t use a script if it was offered. I want to have full control over every single player i put into every single lineup.

    It’s a problem if enough people think it’s a problem and that leads to politicians getting their dirty hands involved.

    I tend to agree with you on a substantive level. But perception and reality are often different. That something doesn’t actually help, or if it helps, well that’s simply how the game works, is far different than what the general public (who let’s be honest, isn’t exactly filled with geniuses) perceives. And that matters a ton.

  • tonytone1908

    @Ryazan said...

    I want to begin this by pointing out that these 4 main issues, which some DFS players had problems with, are the reason the government got involved so suddenly and seemingly out of nowhere. However, it is very easy to ignore each and every one of these and still be a successful DFS player. Had people just kept focusing on themselves, their own teams, their own strategies, and their own research, then NONE of this would have happened. I can easily say that these issues did not affect me one bit, not when I was losing, not when I was winning.

    SCRIPTING – Scripting itself is just a time saving tool. Any of the pro’s that use scripts, they are using them after doing hours of analysis and research. It is not like people who use scripts just get on their computer, click a button, and BOOM they win all of your money. These people, I am sure, put in alot of hard work to come up with whatever it is they tell their script to do – the script does not do the thinking for them, it is just a time saver in the end when all is said and done. Whatever misunderstanding there was between the DFS sites and the scripts people used, believe me, is a completely minor issue that did not affect anyone’s winnings. People made a huge deal about it because they thought it was unfair unfair unfair!!! But a script can’t put together a lineup that wins. It is just a time saving tool. I do not know how to use scripts or any of that, but for 2 years of my DFS career, I couldn’t care less about scripts and who uses them – every single one of my losses, I chalk up to me making mistakes with my lineups, and that is the ONLY reason i lose. And when I won, and won alot, all the people using scripts to save them time, were losing to me. There is no cheating or BIG MAJOR issue when it comes to scripts – just a slightly confusing rule in the TOS.

    OWNERSHIP PERCENTAGES – The media has pounced on this, referring to it EVERYWHERE as “insider trading”. It is literally the reason why the FBI (for some reason) is involved in a full out investigation of DFS, as if people were actually making money off of insider information, which at this point, is not only just speculation (since DK cleared up their error, info was not known before 1pm), but it is being treated specifically as the MAIN REASON that some people win more money than other people. This is DFS – we may do all of your research, hell it can even be illegal research, but at the end of the day, it’s still all up to those millionaire athletes to play well. We players have no control over the outcome – none. So whatever mostly useless information that employees of websites may know, all it truly is, is JUST information. In the case of ownership percentages, no one has any kind of edge knowing that a player is EXACTLY 5.5% owned vs someone like me guessing that player will be 9% owned. It does not make me any more likely to take him if I knew his exact percentage. The media is treating the possibility of this as “knowing a player’s ownership percentage is stealing money from players that don’t know this and the DFS employees are cheating to win”. Completely awful logic. There is no actual insider trading going on, whether DFS employees have this information or not (and they said they do not).

    GAMBLING – If I walk into a casino every day and play slots for an hour, where I have no mental control at all over how much I lose or win, I am gambling. When I follow MLB and have a great feel for players, trends, streaks, and I put money on these players, I am INVESTING my money in SMART DECISIONS in order to MAKE MONEY. That is more like the stock market than it is gambling, because at least I have creative control over what I am doing with my money. A scratch ticket, you have no control at all for example. Let me make this very clear – putting money into players from different teams under a salary cap format is “investing into a portfolio of stocks for that one day” that if you are smart enough, will earn you some money. You cannot have a strategy in actual gambling – you just blindly throw your money into it, and hope for the best. How most others can’t see this logic is beyond me.

    MULTI-ENTRY (and the curious case of MaxDalury):

    Let me state a fact – MaxDalury does not have any more success than an average winning player. Let’s say an average winning player plays every day for a month, and overall puts in $1000 and turns that into $1200. I don’t know anyone’s true ROI so just bear with me. MaxDalury has the same exact success, except over a month, he probably puts in $1,000,000 and turns that into $1,200,000. So he may be a DFS millionaire, but the reason for that is because he puts in a crazy amount of money investing in his skills. The average player is comfortable putting in $1000 per month. The fact that Max uses scripts and multi-enters like crazy, he actually takes on a TON of risk, and you may see him win huge sometimes, but he plays every day, and I am sure he loses huge just as often. It is not like he is cheating somehow, putting in $1000, and coming out of it with $1,000,000. YOU GET OUT WHAT YOU PUT IN. Multi-entering a ton of lineups is alot of hard work, even with a script, and I could personally care less if someone like Max puts in 500, because on some nights, my 20 handmade 1 by 1 lineups will beat ALL of his 500 and I come out on top. This isn’t limited to me – anyone who is good at fantasy sports can take down good money in tournaments/cash games if they just invest properly. Max is not taking advantage of anyone with what he does. You can put in 1 lineup every day for $5, and after a month, you might turn those $150 into $175. Max will be putting in 1000 lineups every day at $5000 per day, and after a month, he’ll turn $150,000 into $175,000. No one who is multi entering has some kind of financial edge over their ROI compared to yours, they are just risking more – YOU are risk averse, and Max is risk loving (just like me, just on a smaller scale) – but no one has some edge because of this based on what I just said here.

    The government has attacked our DFS industry because they are highly uninformed, highly sloppy, the media is quite literally an embarrassment in their reporting, and because so many people on here brought on attention to MINOR problems, sources picked it up, and in this internet age, it’s game over.

    This is similar to going to McDonalds and ordering a cheeseburger – a 4 oz patty is the norm for a cheeseburger, but you order one and notice that the patty is kind of small. You take it out, go home, weigh it, and it’s actually 3.7 oz. You post about it online and you find that hundreds of others have had a similar issue. Next thing you know, a week later, McDonalds is being banned across various states for deception, illegal sales, and conspiracy. You could have just eaten that delicious (but unhealthy lol) cheeseburger, enjoyed it, and moved on with life. But you chose to complain, and this is what your complaint got you. You were so worried about McDonald’s serving you properly sized patties, that you forgot how much you enjoy McDonalds – but now you can’t have McDonald’s anymore. By the way, the patties ended up being 3.7 oz and not 4 oz because the cooking method in some of their restaurants shrunk them by accident. But the government saw it differently without considering the logical facts.

    Is that you Dad? I swear our minds think alike. Thank you for putting all my random thoughts from throughout today into one concise article. Now I will probably shut up and spend my time watching more sports instead of repeating myself on here. You’ve said everything I have to say perfectly. Bravo.

  • Ryazan

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    @DavidK44 said...

    It’s a problem if enough people think it’s a problem and that leads to politicians getting their dirty hands involved.

    I tend to agree with you on a substantive level. But perception and reality are often different. That something doesn’t actually help, or if it helps, well that’s simply how the game works, is far different than what the general public (who let’s be honest, isn’t exactly filled with geniuses) perceives. And that matters a ton.

    the uninformed public cannot make the rules – it is up to us logical minds to tell them what the rules are. You can’t run the country based on perception, you have to run it based on reality and facts.

    If I were DK right now, and Jon Aguiar/Ethan Haskell, I know you’re reading this – sue New York Times for defamation as soon as possible. They should not be allowed to put out the false perception that there is “insider trading”. It is LIBEL

  • tonytone1908

    You would have to think the Dk/FD affiliate leagues and teams would fight tooth and nail to keep DFS from going anywhere since they have the most to lose.

  • Ryazan

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    @tonytone1908 said...

    You would have to think the Dk/FD affiliate leagues and teams would fight tooth and nail to keep DFS from going anywhere since they have the most to lose.

    if DFS goes away, all major sports will lose a TON of viewership and money. Why was my channel tonight while posting this thread turned to the Blue Jays game even though I’m a red sox fan? Because i had a full jays/royals stack in the Thu/Fri MLB Monster. Otherwise that game means jack shit to me.

  • Unico10

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    @Ryazan said...

    If I were DK right now, and Jon Aguiar/Ethan Haskell, I know you’re reading this – sue New York Times for defamation as soon as possible. They should not be allowed to put out the false perception that there is “insider trading”. It is LIBEL

    Did you ever stop and think that maybe they cannot sue for libel??

  • Ryazan

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    @Unico10 said...

    Did you ever stop and think that maybe they cannot sue for libel??

    no. I am not a lawyer. But this constant stream of factually false articles full of serious accusations cannot be fully legal, no freakin way

  • Unico10

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    @Ryazan said...

    no. I am not a lawyer. But this constant stream of factually false articles full of serious accusations cannot be fully legal, no freakin way

    Well. After about two weeks of this…. if the articles were indeed full of factually false accusations, one would think they would have sued or at least issued a cease and desist.

  • DavidK44

    @Ryazan said...

    no. I am not a lawyer. But this constant stream of factually false articles full of serious accusations cannot be fully legal, no freakin way

    There is a very, very, very big difference between what is “factually false articles full of serious accusations” and what is actionable in court. Especially when it comes to media/journalism.

  • Heterodox

    @Ryazan said...

    My opponent is using Brady/Gronk this week. I know this ahead of time let’s say. How does this inside info help me put together a lineup that beats that? And this is all speculation again, because DK has confirmed that nothing shady is going on, so the only reason people think there IS something going on, is because DK employees, who put in tons of money into fanduel contests, actually end up winning them from time to time. You get out what you put in, like i said.

    If you know he is using two players you can block him from gaining points on you with them, or you can let it be. Even if you don’t like the players he’s using, if you also use them you assume so much less risk that if he doesn’t have the same information there’s no way it’s not an advantage, whether or not it actually affects your decision. You have an option he doesn’t have. You can eliminate two of his plays without even having to think about those spots. Just because you don’t NEED to do this to gain an edge, doesn’t mean it’s not an edge, just like the fact that some people are good at simply picking players and not worrying about what their opponents do doesn’t mean that others don’t find an edge applying game theory.
    Also it doesn’t matter if you can guess/project reasonably accurately. Being dead-on precise is better because you never have to be wrong.

    And I’m not speculating about anything here, I’m just responding to your scenario.

  • Ryazan

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    some of the people replying to this thread, i feel like you didn’t even read my logical analysis of the situation. The only reason any of this is in court is because the illogical media caught the attention of the even more illogical politicians. But I think I said alot more useful things in my original post than the political garbage side of it.

  • iSplashRollz

    @Ryazan said...

    some of the people replying to this thread, i feel like you didn’t even read my logical analysis of the situation. The only reason any of this is in court is because the illogical media caught the attention of the even more illogical politicians. But I think I said alot more useful things in my original post than the political garbage side of it.

    You and logic do not mix, sorry boss.
    The link I posted, which you obviously didn’t read, clearly states this investigation was going on for months and was happening with or without the Ethan thing.

  • Ryazan

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    @Heterodox said...

    If you know he is using two players you can block him from gaining points on you with them, or you can let it be. Even if you don’t like the players he’s using, if you also use them you assume so much less risk that if he doesn’t have the same information there’s no way it’s not an advantage, whether or not it actually affects your decision. You have an option he doesn’t have. You can eliminate two of his plays without even having to think about those spots. Just because you don’t NEED to do this to gain an edge, doesn’t mean it’s not an edge, just like the fact that some people are good at simply picking players and not worrying about what their opponents do doesn’t mean that others don’t find an edge applying game theory.
    Also it doesn’t matter if you can guess/project reasonably accurately. Being dead-on precise is better because you never have to be wrong.

    And I’m not speculating about anything here, I’m just responding to your scenario.

    right, but no one anywhere has access to lineups of other people before lineups lock. That info is useless anyway even if it did somehow exists, because players change their minds about lineups in the last few minutes before lock anyway. There is no inside information such as this, it doesn’t exist. Lineups are only final at lock. Someone can think they are being clever by cheating and knowing that I am using Brady/Gronk at 12:50, but i go and change my mind, put in Gates, put it Kaepernick, and get Peterson in there with Foster too…..in other words, no matter if even someone is trying to cheat and see my lineup before lock, my lineup is always fluid. Hell, i dont think Ive ever finalized a cash game lineup even ONCE until there was less than 1 minute before lock lol

  • Ryazan

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    @iSplashRollz said...

    You and logic do not mix, sorry boss.
    The link I posted, which you obviously didn’t read, clearly states this investigation was going on for months and was happening with or without the Ethan thing.

    you insulted me big time in that other thread for no reason, and im sorry i have no way i can ignore your posts, but anything you say, I will not care to read.

  • Unico10

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    @Ryazan said...

    right, but no one anywhere has access to lineups of other people before lineups lock

    I guess that is ONE of the things we will all find out.
    We simply do not know that.

  • tonytone1908

    @Ryazan said...

    right, but no one anywhere has access to lineups of other people before lineups lock. That info is useless anyway even if it did somehow exists, because players change their minds about lineups in the last few minutes before lock anyway. There is no inside information such as this, it doesn’t exist. Lineups are only final at lock. Someone can think they are being clever by cheating and knowing that I am using Brady/Gronk at 12:50, but i go and change my mind, put in Gates, put it Kaepernick, and get Peterson in there with Foster too…..in other words, no matter if even someone is trying to cheat and see my lineup before lock, my lineup is always fluid. Hell, i dont think Ive ever finalized a cash game lineup even ONCE until there was less than 1 minute before lock lol

    This is another glaring point people overlook.

  • Ryazan

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    @Unico10 said...

    I guess that is ONE of the things we will all find out.
    We simply do not know that.

    cmon, don’t quote a small part of my post, quote the whole thing, because I kept going and explained EXACTLY how it’s not possible to know anyone’s lineup before lineups lock – that one little section you quoted doesn’t fully cover my point. Don’t pick and choose to read what I post. either read the whole thing, or read none of it. Tonytone1908 seems to have the right idea.

  • Ryazan

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    Do i have to spell it out differently? No one’s lineup is close to final until the last few minutes before lock. Thus access to anyone’s and everyone’s lineup at any point before that is null and void – it’s pointless, because many people will change their minds about their lineups right before lock. Even maxdalury, birdwings, condia, ect ect

  • tmspriggs

    @tonytone1908 said...

    This is another glaring point people overlook.

    Nah. Tournament ownership percentages don’t fluctuate much in the last minute. The Ethan thing was not about h2h.

  • Unico10

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    @Ryazan said...

    cmon, don’t quote a small part of my post, quote the whole thing, because I kept going and explained EXACTLY how it’s not possible to know anyone’s lineup before lineups lock – that one little section you quoted doesn’t fully cover my point. Don’t pick and choose to read what I post. either read the whole thing, or read none of it. Tonytone1908 seems to have the right idea.

    I quoted that part, because that is what you keep missing, intentionally or not.

    The point is not the minutia of one item. Yes, of course, I can work at FD see your lineup one minute to lock and than you change it.

    The issue is PRIVILEGED ACCESS
    The issue is DIFFERENT RULES FOR DIFFERENT LEVEL PLAYERS (scripts)

    How much of an advantage…. If it is an advantage…. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE

    The issue is that “we are all the same, but some are more the same than others…” (I know I did a horrible job trying to quote Orwell)

    With this. I am going to bed.

    Goodnight

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