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  • Ryazan

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      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

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      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    I want to begin this by pointing out that these 4 main issues, which some DFS players had problems with, are the reason the government got involved so suddenly and seemingly out of nowhere. However, it is very easy to ignore each and every one of these and still be a successful DFS player. Had people just kept focusing on themselves, their own teams, their own strategies, and their own research, then NONE of this would have happened. I can easily say that these issues did not affect me one bit, not when I was losing, not when I was winning.

    SCRIPTING – Scripting itself is just a time saving tool. Any of the pro’s that use scripts, they are using them after doing hours of analysis and research. It is not like people who use scripts just get on their computer, click a button, and BOOM they win all of your money. These people, I am sure, put in alot of hard work to come up with whatever it is they tell their script to do – the script does not do the thinking for them, it is just a time saver in the end when all is said and done. Whatever misunderstanding there was between the DFS sites and the scripts people used, believe me, is a completely minor issue that did not affect anyone’s winnings. People made a huge deal about it because they thought it was unfair unfair unfair!!! But a script can’t put together a lineup that wins. It is just a time saving tool. I do not know how to use scripts or any of that, but for 2 years of my DFS career, I couldn’t care less about scripts and who uses them – every single one of my losses, I chalk up to me making mistakes with my lineups, and that is the ONLY reason i lose. And when I won, and won alot, all the people using scripts to save them time, were losing to me. There is no cheating or BIG MAJOR issue when it comes to scripts – just a slightly confusing rule in the TOS.

    OWNERSHIP PERCENTAGES – The media has pounced on this, referring to it EVERYWHERE as “insider trading”. It is literally the reason why the FBI (for some reason) is involved in a full out investigation of DFS, as if people were actually making money off of insider information, which at this point, is not only just speculation (since DK cleared up their error, info was not known before 1pm), but it is being treated specifically as the MAIN REASON that some people win more money than other people. This is DFS – we may do all of your research, hell it can even be illegal research, but at the end of the day, it’s still all up to those millionaire athletes to play well. We players have no control over the outcome – none. So whatever mostly useless information that employees of websites may know, all it truly is, is JUST information. In the case of ownership percentages, no one has any kind of edge knowing that a player is EXACTLY 5.5% owned vs someone like me guessing that player will be 9% owned. It does not make me any more likely to take him if I knew his exact percentage. The media is treating the possibility of this as “knowing a player’s ownership percentage is stealing money from players that don’t know this and the DFS employees are cheating to win”. Completely awful logic. There is no actual insider trading going on, whether DFS employees have this information or not (and they said they do not).

    GAMBLING – If I walk into a casino every day and play slots for an hour, where I have no mental control at all over how much I lose or win, I am gambling. When I follow MLB and have a great feel for players, trends, streaks, and I put money on these players, I am INVESTING my money in SMART DECISIONS in order to MAKE MONEY. That is more like the stock market than it is gambling, because at least I have creative control over what I am doing with my money. A scratch ticket, you have no control at all for example. Let me make this very clear – putting money into players from different teams under a salary cap format is “investing into a portfolio of stocks for that one day” that if you are smart enough, will earn you some money. You cannot have a strategy in actual gambling – you just blindly throw your money into it, and hope for the best. How most others can’t see this logic is beyond me.

    MULTI-ENTRY (and the curious case of MaxDalury):

    Let me state a fact – MaxDalury does not have any more success than an average winning player. Let’s say an average winning player plays every day for a month, and overall puts in $1000 and turns that into $1200. I don’t know anyone’s true ROI so just bear with me. MaxDalury has the same exact success, except over a month, he probably puts in $1,000,000 and turns that into $1,200,000. So he may be a DFS millionaire, but the reason for that is because he puts in a crazy amount of money investing in his skills. The average player is comfortable putting in $1000 per month. The fact that Max uses scripts and multi-enters like crazy, he actually takes on a TON of risk, and you may see him win huge sometimes, but he plays every day, and I am sure he loses huge just as often. It is not like he is cheating somehow, putting in $1000, and coming out of it with $1,000,000. YOU GET OUT WHAT YOU PUT IN. Multi-entering a ton of lineups is alot of hard work, even with a script, and I could personally care less if someone like Max puts in 500, because on some nights, my 20 handmade 1 by 1 lineups will beat ALL of his 500 and I come out on top. This isn’t limited to me – anyone who is good at fantasy sports can take down good money in tournaments/cash games if they just invest properly. Max is not taking advantage of anyone with what he does. You can put in 1 lineup every day for $5, and after a month, you might turn those $150 into $175. Max will be putting in 1000 lineups every day at $5000 per day, and after a month, he’ll turn $150,000 into $175,000. No one who is multi entering has some kind of financial edge over their ROI compared to yours, they are just risking more – YOU are risk averse, and Max is risk loving (just like me, just on a smaller scale) – but no one has some edge because of this based on what I just said here.

    The government has attacked our DFS industry because they are highly uninformed, highly sloppy, the media is quite literally an embarrassment in their reporting, and because so many people on here brought on attention to MINOR problems, sources picked it up, and in this internet age, it’s game over.

    This is similar to going to McDonalds and ordering a cheeseburger – a 4 oz patty is the norm for a cheeseburger, but you order one and notice that the patty is kind of small. You take it out, go home, weigh it, and it’s actually 3.7 oz. You post about it online and you find that hundreds of others have had a similar issue. Next thing you know, a week later, McDonalds is being banned across various states for deception, illegal sales, and conspiracy. You could have just eaten that delicious (but unhealthy lol) cheeseburger, enjoyed it, and moved on with life. But you chose to complain, and this is what your complaint got you. You were so worried about McDonald’s serving you properly sized patties, that you forgot how much you enjoy McDonalds – but now you can’t have McDonald’s anymore. By the way, the patties ended up being 3.7 oz and not 4 oz because the cooking method in some of their restaurants shrunk them by accident. But the government saw it differently without considering the logical facts.

  • Ryazan

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      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

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      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @hotpants said...

    Why wouldn’t he have a mass-edit script? DK allows it. Not just quick player replace, but creating new “optimal” lineups in reaction to late-breaking news (see NBA 5 minutes before lock)

    Just opening themselves and the industry up to more bogus/inflammatory reporting

    ok, because FD specifically does not allow it. Dk allows it? If so then fine, anyone who wants the advantage Max has, get a script. Not something the FBI should be getting their resources involved in though.

  • tonytone1908

    @Unico10 said...

    Maybe Maxdalury himself will convince him?

    “The first step is scraping data from various public resources online and plugging the numbers into his custom-built predictive models, which generate hundreds of lineups based on his forecasts. There are publicly available tools that do some of this work for daily fantasy players, but Sud created bespoke software to make sure no one else can access his data. He also has a technique for identifying athletes who aren’t going to end up on a lot of other team’s rosters, which is important, because there’s a particular advantage in choosing players no one else has noticed.”

    Source: Bloomberg

    Do you think he’s not going to have that stuff anymore no matter what you do? You’re delusional.

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