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  • BurrTheBaddestB

    I know that I am undoubtedly beating a dead horse here with the creation of this new thread, but I gotta get something off of this massive chest ‘o mine that is beginning to grind at my inner “bitch”.

    This season – more so than ever before – pros, so-called “gurus”, and yes, even some decent-sized “sharks” seem to be flooding the “$250 NBA Mini Swat” GPP’s over on FanDuel. Some of them are very recognizable names in the DFS game (as well as being members of this site to boot). With such large amounts of money already won over time and seemingly limitless bankrolls at their disposal, this is as unsettling to me as it is humorous.

    Why are they even wasting their time (and mine) and why do they also seem to be seeking out each and every empty or unfilled “novice” and/or “small fish” opportunity that is possible nowadays?

    Is it an ego thing?

    Is it some kind of power play to remind everyone that you’re going to have to go through them no matter where you may try to play and no matter what amount that you’re willing to wager?

    There has got to be some underlying reason(s) as to how and why this is more prevalent now than during any other season/sport that I’ve noticed to date. If not for any of the aforementioned ones that I just questioned above, though, certainly for a different one…right?

    Any further thoughts and comments on this new(ish) (and absolutely pathetic) trend that I’ve noticed is welcomed and encouraged, gang. Thanks!

  • tgs1976

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    It’s a money thing. Always has been, always will be.

  • jecarl2

    They are probably scripting and entering everything, not just the 250 mini swat. A lot of people assume these guys are making large sums of money…im not so sure.

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    Scripting isn’t allowed anymore, I thought, but who the hell really knows besides those on the “inside”. There is this one dude that is seemingly in almost EVERY single “NBA Mini Swat” I ever enter during any given slate. He’s always the first one to submit a lineup into any new contest that opens up with the exact same number of lineups (six) created/submitted/played every single time, all usually in order, one right after the other. It’s like he doesn’t even try to hide the fact that he simply seems to be using some kind of illegal script while trying to one-up everyone else by occupying the first six open spots available in any brand new GPP.

  • jimmyquinella

    @tgs1976 said...

    It’s a money thing. Always has been, always will be.

    ^

  • sonicattack

    Scripting is allowed, that’s talked about on the shows regularly. Not all pros do it but some definitely do. Playing in mass multi entry games with low bankroll and having a low number of entries is always a bit of a risk as a result.

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    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/how-important-is-it-to-max-min-players-when-scripting-1730818

  • tamparoor

    How about chiploteaddict brother papagates winning the million dollar NFL contest on dk and the very next day he is playing the 25cent contest

  • Messiah717

    I posted in the NHL thread last night about Testosterown blasting the .25 games with lineups. It won’t stop until the sites actually do something proactive for once and make those games for the more novice players. Until then even the smallest amount is seen as easy money. The overall health of DFS or the player pool is of no concern to those players.

  • wolfjb1

    From what I can tell, FD seems to automatically post new mini-swats as soon as the one that’s posted is a certain percentage filled.

    So if I’m a pro (which I’m not and never will be), I will just keep mass entering all day long, because I can keep making money.

    I hate this crap too, but I accept it for what it is.

    People on RG seem really not to fundamentally understand the definition of “professional.” The pros are in this to make money. They are not interested in the health of the industry. The sites are in this to make money. You can argue that it’s killing the DFS universe, but RG is an echo chamber. You can argue that it’s against their self interest because it’s killing the industry, but there is no evidence of this. To the contrary, both sites seem to be posting massive NBA GPPs every day and they fill 100 % of the time. The industry is doing fine, or at least FD and DK are doing ok.

    For the most part, there are an unlimited number of fish out there for the sharks to swallow up. The sites have “beginner only” contests, but they don’t address the middle tier, which includes most of us on RG, because they don’t have to.

  • Bigo1

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    Wrong target. The sites, not the players, are responsible for the DFS ecosystem.

    It literally takes no more than 10 seconds for a pro (or any other player) to enter all the low stake GPPs. After spending 8 to 10h building up LUs every day, why would he not do it??

  • Heterodox

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    This season – more so than ever before – pros, so-called “gurus”, and yes, even some decent-sized “sharks” seem to be flooding the “$250 NBA Mini Swat” GPP’s over on FanDuel. Some of them are very recognizable names in the DFS game (as well as being members of this site to boot). With such large amounts of money already won over time and seemingly limitless bankrolls at their disposal, this is as unsettling to me as it is humorous.

    Why are they even wasting their time (and mine) and why do they also seem to be seeking out each and every empty or unfilled “novice” and/or “small fish” opportunity that is possible nowadays?

    Is it an ego thing?

    Some kind of power play to remind everyone that you’re going to have to go through them no matter where that you try to play and no matter what amount that you’re willing to wager?

    There has got to be some underlying reason(s) as to how this is more prevalent now than during any other season/sport that I’ve noticed to date.

    It’s the fact that a bunch of them started new tout sites, and the smaller contests are easier to win simply owing to field size, so they load up on them in order to tweet screenshots of their wins.

    If you follow any of these people on Twitter, you understand this. Sure, pros play in small stakes contests, because there’s no opportunity cost to it and money’s money. But if you’re noticing an uptick in the number of recognizable names in the smaller, secondary contests, that’s why.

    As an aside, DFS Twitter might be the worst thing this game has inflicted on the world. I feel compelled to follow, rightly or wrongly, because I don’t want to be out of touch with whatever direction this thing is going in, but it’s a hellscape, populated by lame asses with the laziest, most generic shtick – so bad it’s practically an insult, with stereotypical chest-pounding touts, and people who feel the need to tweet generic commentary and updates, despite the fact that everyone’s watching, everyone’s following the beat writers (who do the same), and they’re adding nothing to the experience, saying nothing that is even remotely interesting or entertaining. And they all seem to forget that they are fantasy players, not GMs, and that teams are not run to maximize the number of fantasy points players produce. Not one of them has ever had a legitimate sports take, outside the context of fantasy, yet they all try. OK. End of rant.

  • elementasrat

    I’ve never understood the notion that players are responsible for the health of DFS. It’s the sites responsibility.

    I’m a low stakes casual player but I would absolutely enter every contest possible if I had the bankroll to do so.

    At the end of the day, money is involved. Why not maximize profits?

  • Garrincha67

    I am up voting this rant as the best of the week and well said. I could not agree more with your observations.

  • Garrincha67

    @Garrincha67 said...

    I am up voting this rant as the best of the week and well said. I could not agree more with your observations.

    As an aside, DFS Twitter might be the worst thing this game has inflicted on the world. I feel compelled to follow, rightly or wrongly, because I don’t want to be out of touch with whatever direction this thing is going in, but it’s a hellscape, populated by lame asses with the laziest, most generic shtick – so bad it’s practically an insult, with stereotypical chest-pounding touts, and people who feel the need to tweet generic commentary and updates, despite the fact that everyone’s watching, everyone’s following the beat writers (who do the same), and they’re adding nothing to the experience, saying nothing that is even remotely interesting or entertaining. And they all seem to forget that they are fantasy players, not GMs, and that teams are not run to maximize the number of fantasy points players produce. Not one of them has ever had a legitimate sports take, outside the context of fantasy, yet they all try. OK. End of rant.

  • RikkiDee

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    @Heterodox said...

    As an aside, DFS Twitter might be the worst thing this game has inflicted on the world. I feel compelled to follow, rightly or wrongly, because I don’t want to be out of touch with whatever direction this thing is going in, but it’s a hellscape, populated by lame asses with the laziest, most generic shtick – so bad it’s practically an insult, with stereotypical chest-pounding touts, and people who feel the need to tweet generic commentary and updates, despite the fact that everyone’s watching, everyone’s following the beat writers (who do the same), and they’re adding nothing to the experience, saying nothing that is even remotely interesting or entertaining. And they all seem to forget that they are fantasy players, not GMs, and that teams are not run to maximize the number of fantasy points players produce. Not one of them has ever had a legitimate sports take, outside the context of fantasy, yet they all try. OK. End of rant.

    Rant of the year, Hicks would be proud.

  • billsfan777

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    I’ll be honest, but the reason I do it is BECAUSE new players are in it. Why would I join a 300$ contest with all good players instead of joining a 3$ contest with 100 duplicate entries with less good players. I’m here to make money and until the sites tell me I can’‘t join these sorts of league, I will continue to do so because why wouldn’t I?

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    @Bigo1 said...

    Wrong target. The sites, not the players, are responsible for the DFS ecosystem.

    It literally takes no more than 10 seconds for a pro (or any other player) to enter all the low stake GPPs. After spending 8 to 10h building up LUs every day, why would he not do it??

    It’s funny to me that you’re attempting to shift any blame whatsoever away from high-ranking DFS players while — coincidentally enough — also being ranked “No. 241 Overall” here on the RotoGrinders website. Congrats.

    You personally may not have your very own foot in any of the sites’ (back)doors and/or pockets, but the bottom line is that even us so-called “fish” know of specific individuals and groups who do. And that, right there, is one of the many reasons why both main sites operate at such a snail’s pace when “attempting” to implement (new) protocols and/or rules to even the playing field for all.

    I’m sorry that you don’t like my opinion on this matter (as I obviously question yours very heavily as well), but if people like me don’t continue to speak up and stand for what is right regarding fair and equal play in the daily fantasy sports industry, the “Top 200 Overall” players of the RotoGrinders world alike (and beyond) will continue to play like dirt-bags, all the while thinking that it is absolutely okay. (Newsflash: It’s not, nor should it be anymore.)

  • elementasrat

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    It’s funny to me that you’re attempting to shift any blame whatsoever away from high-ranking DFS players while — coincidentally enough — also being ranked “No. 241 Overall” here on the RotoGrinders website. Congrats.

    You personally may not have your very own foot in any of the sites’ (back)doors and/or pockets, but the bottom line is that even us so-called “fish” know of specific individuals and groups who do. And that, right there, is one of the many reasons why both main sites operate at such a snail’s pace when “attempting” to implement (new) protocols and/or rules to even the playing field for all.

    I’m sorry that you don’t like my opinion on this matter (as I obviously question yours very heavily as well), but if people like me don’t continue to speak up and stand for what is right regarding fair and equal play in the daily fantasy sports industry, the “Top 200 Overall” players of the RotoGrinders world alike (and beyond) will continue to play like dirt-bags, all the while thinking that it is absolutely okay. (Newsflash: It’s not, nor should it be anymore.)

    Ohhhh Give me a break. News flash: there is money involved and profits to be had. People are going to maximize their opportunities. Deal with it or move on to another site. Players aren’t responsible for shit.

  • elementasrat

    @billsfan777 said...

    I’ll be honest, but the reason I do it is BECAUSE new players are in it. Why would I join a 300$ contest with all good players instead of joining a 3$ contest with 100 duplicate entries with less good players. I’m here to make money and until the sites tell me I can’‘t join these sorts of league, I will continue to do so because why wouldn’t I?

    No need to explain yourself. This is ridiculous. Just another whiny player who doesn’t understand simple logic.

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    @Heterodox said...

    It’s the fact that a bunch of them started new tout sites, and the smaller contests are easier to win simply owing to field size, so they load up on them in order to tweet screenshots of their wins.

    If you follow any of these people on Twitter, you understand this. Sure, pros play in small stakes contests, because there’s no opportunity cost to it and money’s money. But if you’re noticing an uptick in the number of recognizable names in the smaller, secondary contests, that’s why.

    As an aside, DFS Twitter might be the worst thing this game has inflicted on the world. I feel compelled to follow, rightly or wrongly, because I don’t want to be out of touch with whatever direction this thing is going in, but it’s a hellscape, populated by lame asses with the laziest, most generic shtick – so bad it’s practically an insult, with stereotypical chest-pounding touts, and people who feel the need to tweet generic commentary and updates, despite the fact that everyone’s watching, everyone’s following the beat writers (who do the same), and they’re adding nothing to the experience, saying nothing that is even remotely interesting or entertaining. And they all seem to forget that they are fantasy players, not GMs, and that teams are not run to maximize the number of fantasy points players produce. Not one of them has ever had a legitimate sports take, outside the context of fantasy, yet they all try. OK. End of rant.

    I respect your take on the matter and I thank you for it also.

    I think we both can agree, however, that it is still very shitty for the rest of us just starting out and attempting to get our feet wet (having to deal with all of the extracurricular bullshit and whatnot).

  • Heterodox

    @billsfan777 said...

    I’ll be honest, but the reason I do it is BECAUSE new players are in it. Why would I join a 300$ contest with all good players instead of joining a 3$ contest with 100 duplicate entries with less good players. I’m here to make money and until the sites tell me I can’‘t join these sorts of league, I will continue to do so because why wouldn’t I?

    Credit for being straightforward, but I think your advantage is mitigated by the fact that pretty much everyone who is in the $300 is also in the $3, so you’re still competing against them, though with more inexperienced players I guess there’s that much more to go around for all of you.

    I can say, for my part, I used have the attitude that it was kind of a bitch move for pros to play in smaller stakes contests, even though I understood the practicalities of it. But I’ve evolved to where I don’t think it really matters, beyond maybe the perception of very new players, but I think the importance of those very new players diminishes as the industry matures and they’re a less crucial component of the ecosystem. And I also understand that they don’t care if we perceive it as a bitch move or not, because they are in this to make money. If anything, we are the suckers.

    The reason I don’t think it matters is that I’ve seen the effects that prohibiting players or limiting entries has on prize pools first-hand, and I’ve experienced the stability of prize pools that results from having a reliable base of players who will max enter. It’s a matter of less money more often, for average or serious-but-recreational players, or more money less often. When you factor in the fact that the “more money less often” side often involves a top prize that can be life-changing, or at least life-enhancing, I think that side wins out.

    Though I’d be totally embracing of a completely different landscape if someone can dream one up and bring that dream to fruition. And I think the industry in general has been cynically conceived and run in a predatory way. But I think a lot of us have accepted that, while embracing the idea that there’s something worthwhile to be salvaged, even if it exists in spite of the people who brought it into being.

  • Heterodox

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    I think we both can agree, however, that it is still very shitty for the rest of us just starting out and attempting to get our feet wet (having to deal with all of the extracurricular bullshit and whatnot).

    I just think that’s a matter of the sites not informing you sufficiently. If they presented the whole thing to you in a different way, I don’t think you’d think twice about it.

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    @elementasrat said...

    No need to explain yourself. This is ridiculous. Just another whiny player who doesn’t understand simple logic.

    It appears to me that you came in here to do a bit of “whining” yourself, fella. That is ridiculous.

    Now we BOTH appear to be coming off as “whiny” players who don’t understand simple enough logic.

  • Heterodox

    I mean they do have beginner contests, which they could certainly expand a bit, and I agree that they probably don’t feel the urgency on that issue, and only created those contests as a concession to pressure they received from the public.

  • elementasrat

    Get your feet wet in the beginner contests than move on up.

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