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  • BurrTheBaddestB

    I know that I am undoubtedly beating a dead horse here with the creation of this new thread, but I gotta get something off of this massive chest ‘o mine that is beginning to grind at my inner “bitch”.

    This season – more so than ever before – pros, so-called “gurus”, and yes, even some decent-sized “sharks” seem to be flooding the “$250 NBA Mini Swat” GPP’s over on FanDuel. Some of them are very recognizable names in the DFS game (as well as being members of this site to boot). With such large amounts of money already won over time and seemingly limitless bankrolls at their disposal, this is as unsettling to me as it is humorous.

    Why are they even wasting their time (and mine) and why do they also seem to be seeking out each and every empty or unfilled “novice” and/or “small fish” opportunity that is possible nowadays?

    Is it an ego thing?

    Is it some kind of power play to remind everyone that you’re going to have to go through them no matter where you may try to play and no matter what amount that you’re willing to wager?

    There has got to be some underlying reason(s) as to how and why this is more prevalent now than during any other season/sport that I’ve noticed to date. If not for any of the aforementioned ones that I just questioned above, though, certainly for a different one…right?

    Any further thoughts and comments on this new(ish) (and absolutely pathetic) trend that I’ve noticed is welcomed and encouraged, gang. Thanks!

  • spades4085

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    I know that I am undoubtedly beating a dead horse here with the creation of this new thread, but I gotta get something off of this massive chest ‘o mine that is beginning to grind at my inner “bitch”.

    This season – more so than ever before – pros, so-called “gurus”, and yes, even some decent-sized “sharks” seem to be flooding the “$250 NBA Mini Swat” GPP’s over on FanDuel. Some of them are very recognizable names in the DFS game (as well as being members of this site to boot). With such large amounts of money already won over time and seemingly limitless bankrolls at their disposal, this is as unsettling to me as it is humorous.

    Why are they even wasting their time (and mine) and why do they also seem to be seeking out each and every empty or unfilled “novice” and/or “small fish” opportunity that is possible nowadays?

    Is it an ego thing?

    Some kind of power play to remind everyone that you’re going to have to go through them no matter where that you try to play and no matter what amount that you’re willing to wager?

    There has got to be some underlying reason(s) as to how this is more prevalent now than during any other season/sport that I’ve noticed to date. If not for any of the aforementioned ones that I just questioned above, though, certainly for a different one…right?

    Thoughts and comments on this new(ish) (and absolutely pathetic/sickening) trend that I’ve noticed is welcomed and encouraged, gang. Thanks!

    Honestly I get that your mad and the situation does suck when this kind of thing is going on. For the most part though its simple greed, plain and simple. Until the company implements something to curb it you are going to have it. Ethics for it to me are out the window and for most people playing if given the chance to have the system/bankroll/edge that the sharks have, 8/10 people would do the exact same thing they are doing.

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    @Garrincha67 said...

    I am up voting this rant as the best of the week and well said. I could not agree more with your observations.

    Thank you, sir. It’s comforting to at least know that there’s some decent, honest, and well-rounded individuals still left in this DFS game (along with myself).

    Sadly enough, however, one individual in this thread has already blatantly admitted that they’d continue with the cycle/issue that I brought to everyone’s attention IF presented with a large enough bankroll and/or opportunity to do so. Although appearing to be only speaking theoretically from their end, the hot-garbage spewing from their mouth/fingertips at the time was and is precisely what is wrong with the worlds that we’re living (and playing) in today…

  • KindGuy

    Dont be afraid to say my name next time

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    @billsfan777 said...

    I’ll be honest, but the reason I do it is BECAUSE new players are in it. Why would I join a 300$ contest with all good players instead of joining a 3$ contest with 100 duplicate entries with less good players. I’m here to make money and until the sites tell me I can’‘t join these sorts of league, I will continue to do so because why wouldn’t I?

    I’m not even talking about or concerned with the $3+ GPP’s they all swarm to as well — that doesn’t necessarily bother me or rub me the wrong way (nor should it really).

    I’m speaking only in regard to the lowest of low stakes GPP play over on FanDuel at the moment: the $250 NBA Mini Swat ($1 Entry, 8 Max Entries).

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    @elementasrat said...

    Dont be afraid to say my name next time

    Ditto.

    Glad you’re not as bad at playing guessing games as you are at this whole DFS one, bub…

  • spades4085

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    Ditto.

    Glad you’re not as bad at playing guessing games as you are at this whole DFS one, bub…

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    And yes, for those that are concerned or wondering, I was aware of the “Beginner” contests that they offered upon initial registration of a new account and I took advantage of them. Unfortunately (or fortunately, however you want to perceive this), I won well over $2.5k+ during my first couple of days playing in them and got awarded the “Experienced Player” badge for having “$2.5k+ won across 6+ contests”. In doing so, they booted me out of those rather quickly, leaving me to seek out a similar situation with a (somewhat) level playing field on “the other side”.

    Suffice to say, I haven’t found that playing field yet…

  • RikkiDee

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    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    And yes, for those that are concerned or wondering, I was aware of the “Beginner” contests that they offered upon initial registration of a new account and I took advantage of them. Unfortunately (or fortunately, however you want to perceive this), I won well over $2.5k+ during my first couple of days playing in them and got awarded the “Experienced Player” badge for having “$2.5k+ won across 6+ contests”. In doing so, they booted me out of those rather quickly, leaving me to seek out a similar situation with a (somewhat) level playing field on “the other side”.

    Suffice to say, I haven’t found that playing field yet…

    Oh, so you’d prefer to continue playing against weaker competition, even though you’ve proven yourself an experienced player now?

    Congratulations, you are now just as deplorable as the sharks, gurus and pros you have villainized here.

    I’m sure those beginners would look at someone like you the same way you look at pros joining your regular games.

    People aren’t going to remove themselves from their personal incentives for some undefined greater good. Get off your high horse, and make better lineups.

  • Garrincha67

    @elementasrat said...

    Ohhhh Give me a break. News flash: there is money involved and profits to be had. People are going to maximize their opportunities. Deal with it or move on to another site. Players aren’t responsible for shit.

    You are so wrong and missing the woods for the forest. The poster makes a very good observation about game integrity and having a platform that should cater to all customers. So the “200-300” heavy volume sharks being allowed to as they please because they bring the most rake to the DFS platform does not mean it is the correct path. It is actually very short sighted as these platforms will dry up very quick in customer attraction & retention. The few hundred sharks will be left to exchange ever increasing rakes with each other, that becomes unsustainable for the long-term and will be final nail for the very few DFS platforms left now.

    In short, think long term and be proactive to have a platform with impeccable standards and game integrity. Or else … you can fill in the blanks in a few seasons time.

  • Garrincha67

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    Thank you, sir. It’s comforting to at least know that there’s some decent, honest, and well-rounded individuals still left in this DFS game (along with myself).

    Sadly enough, however, one individual in this thread has already blatantly admitted that they’d continue with the cycle/issue that I brought to everyone’s attention IF presented with a large enough bankroll and/or opportunity to do so. Although appearing to be only speaking theoretically from their end, the hot-garbage spewing from their mouth/fingertips at the time was and is precisely what is wrong with the worlds that we’re living (and playing) in today…

    Agreed we live in a very self serving and self centered world. DFS is no exception, I just can not stand the hypocrisy and double dealing you see both from the platforms & some of their customers. We all want to do well, have fun and cash in to be profitable. But that does not mean we throw ethics and fair play out of the window. If we are complicit in it, then how can we moan when sites like Fantasy Aces defraud customers out of their money and others sites disappear taking player funds with them. Ethics and game integrity works both ways, the platforms and the customers. In short, it is a two way street and I do not want to be hypocritical pretending it is otherwise.

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    @RikkiDee said...

    Oh, so you’d prefer to continue playing against weaker competition, even though you’ve proven yourself an experienced player now?

    Congratulations, you are now just as deplorable as the sharks, gurus and pros you have villainized here.

    I’m sure those beginners would look at someone like you the same way you look at pros joining your regular games.

    People aren’t going to remove themselves from their personal incentives for some undefined greater good. Get off your high horse, and make better lineups.

    So are you ACTUALLY trying to imply that I am just like you now and that we BOTH are on the same level, skill and bankroll-wise, guy? Is that REALLY the argument you want to try and use to persuade everyone on here?

    After a few days of messing around in some of the $1, 20-Entry MAX “Beginner” GPP’s, running into some crazy-ass beginner’s “dumb luck” with a few of my lineups thrown together last second, and suddenly I’m now all violá: officially on YOUR level and required to take your bullshit?

    Oh boy, Mr. Rainbow Man – PLEASE continue. This linevitable upcoming theory and/or rant pertaining to how right you and your “kind” are should be absolute pure GOLD

  • QSchoolDropOut

    I highly doubt anyone is really making money at this.

    It’s just like the casinos. In the end, they get all the money. Whatever advantages they may have (the ability to pick teams) is not a better advantage than the websites have by taking money off of the top. Nothing comes out of the casinos but liars and losers. I suspect fantasy sports is the same thing. I won’t believe someone makes money at this until I see their bank statement. How much did they deposit over time and how much did they win,

  • zpruitt3

    If ya can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen

  • krazyju84

    I can understand the frustration of the OP and others but If you are playing DFS for source income why wouldn’t you do everything you can to maximize profit each and every day? If you are paid according to your performance at your job, wouldn’t you want to maximize your performance? I certainly would.

    If max entering is your concern then there are plenty single entry or 3 entry max games, even 100 league is fun too. Its your choice on what games to join and play, if you are not having fun playing certain games then try something else. No reason to complain and criticize if they are playing within the rules.

  • BloodGame

    @krazyju84 said...

    I can understand the frustration of the OP and others but If you are playing DFS for source income why wouldn’t you do everything you can to maximize profit each and every day? If you are paid according to your performance at your job, wouldn’t you want to maximize your performance? I certainly would.

    If max entering is your concern then there are plenty single entry or 3 entry max games, even 100 league is fun too. Its your choice on what games to join and play, if you are not having fun playing certain games then try something else. No reason to complain and criticize if they are playing within the rules.

    +1

    Blaming people for maximizing their profits while being 100% within the rules of the site?? Ridiculous.

    I agree with the sentiment of not letting sharks in the smaller games, but the blame is on the sites, not the players.

  • Lathum

    I get the OPs frustrations also, but the blame is misplaced.

    If you want to be annoyed be mad at the sites for allowing it, not the players who are operating within the constructs of the rules.

    And I find it hard to believe you made 2.5K in your first few days, yet don’t have the ability to at least maintain some level of success, plenty of fish in this sea.

  • JSteele

    I just have one thing to say and that is the sites are adding single entry and 3 entry contests for people that don’t want to multi entry 150 lineups and while pros are in these too it’s much easier to beat them 1 on 1 or 3 on 3 than 150-1. If you don’t like the big contests for that reason don’t play them. It’s that simple.

  • SelfCharmer

    If I told you that I had a game which could make you money playing and the format was very simple:

    There are 2 buttons:

    1. Button 1 credits your bank account with $5
    2. Button 2 credits your bank account with 30 cents

    Rules:
    You can press any button as many times as you like.
    There are only 100 clicks for button 1 & 200 clicks for button 2 available every 24 hours

    Do you think you would only click button 1?

    The sharps/pros/whatever you want to call them have already put in hours of work building their LUs and strategies for that nights games. They have done all the research, constructed all LUs, checked all late news to see if anything has changed, reviewed models/stat sites/ forums and are now at the point where they just need to click the “Enter” button. How in any way is it their fault for pressing both button 1 and 2?

  • Njsum1

    Is it slightly annoying to see top 20 ranked grinders in the quarter arcade on a nightly basis, maybe a little. Do I think they should be allowed to enter…I do. Yet from what I’ve seen, their lineups suck sometimes too, so I really don’t mind competing.

    What I do take exception with is the notion that everyone should win in DFS, or at least a greater percentage of people. Here’s why…and I’ve said this before, yet I think it’s worth repeating. DFS was derived from season long fantasy, right. Think about your 12 man fantasy football league. If you take a 10 yr sample size, I’d guess only about 2 or 3 of those teams actually have a profit. And that’s playing against the most casual and novice of players. That’s around 20 percent. I’d guess the percentage of profitable DFS players is around 10 percent, and the decrease can be attributed to rake and a tougher competiton. Yet it’s essentially very close. My point…season long fantasy and DFS wasn’t made for the majority of people to profit, it was made for entertainment, and only a few lucky/skilled players will profit. JMHO

  • Bigo1

    • 859

      RG Overall Ranking

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    Unfortunately (or fortunately, however you want to perceive this), I won well over $2.5k+ during my first couple of days playing in them

    LOL!
    So you basically maxed out and cleaned up the beginners contests as soon as you could. And now you would like to remove some competition to make money in low stake games…

    You sound very much like a ‘decent, honest, and well-rounded individual’ as you described yourself.

  • kellykip

    Agree or disagree with the perspective of the OP, but it is a good sign that after all the industry has done already to alienate their customer base, there are people out there who still care enough to take the initiative to put their anger and disappointment into words.

    When people don’t care enough to bother complaining anymore, that’s when the DFS industry will really be in trouble.

  • RikkiDee

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    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    So are you ACTUALLY trying to imply that I am just like you now and that we BOTH are on the same level, skill and bankroll-wise, guy? Is that REALLY the argument you want to try and use to persuade everyone on here?

    After a few days of messing around in some of the $1, 20-Entry MAX “Beginner” GPP’s, running into some crazy-ass beginner’s “dumb luck” with a few of my lineups thrown together last second, and suddenly I’m now all violá: officially on YOUR level and required to take your bullshit?

    Oh boy, Mr. Rainbow Man – PLEASE continue. This linevitable upcoming theory and/or rant pertaining to how right you and your “kind” are should be absolute pure GOLD

    The point is, the line between ‘good player’ and and ‘average guy’ isn’t as easy to define as you make it out to be, and that no individual should ever be expected to purposely avoid taking an edge that is available to them. You call this soulless but you are admitting a desire to do the exact same thing to less experienced players.

    If you were able to play beginner contests at what point would you stop? When you stop self defining yourself as a beginner? How many wins is that? Or would you never stop if sites didn’t force you to?

    The sites definitely should continue to take measures to ensure the fairness of games and maintain a sustainable balance of players, but don’t blame the players for simply responding to the incentives they are presented with. This isn’t a moral issue.

  • SelfCharmer

    @Bigo1 said...

    LOL!
    So you basically maxed out and cleaned up the beginners contests as soon as you could. And now you would like to remove some competition to make money in low stake games…

    You sound very much like a ‘decent, honest, and well-rounded individual’ as you described yourself.

    100% This.

    Let me know if you find the contests with only bad losing players in, I am always on the look out…

  • nam6641

    • x2

      2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    @tamparoor said...

    How about chiploteaddict brother papagates winning the million dollar NFL contest on dk and the very next day he is playing the 25cent contest

    Because a lot of people only care about themselves and an action like this is pathetic. People are killing the ecosystem and this is why when I enter the highstakes games it is the same 50 dudes in every single contest, because all the new guys are killed off before they learn and advance. It is on the sites to govern this.

  • whateverworks_187

    This should be a pretty easy thing to fix. The blame belongs on the sites. Not the players.

    #1 – I think its a little silly for the really high rollers to enter anything under $3. MANY of them don’t (SaahilSud for example).

    #2 – The cash lines for low stake tournaments is consistently lower then high stakes. Making them more ROI+ thus, it makes financial sense to enter them. You’ll say its only $1 entry… Sure… Now multiply that by 150 contests, and it adds up.

    #3 – Sites like FD/DK should have more new player tournaments. And, should change what they define as an “experienced player”… Need better tiers, because basically anybody that plays regularly has all the purple star rank on FD.

    #4 – FD has done a good job limiting the # of entries at a given price point per/slate. This # could be made even smaller in theory. But, real solution is more beginner (or even intermediate tourneys.)

    #5 – Another simple solution would be have tourneys for players who have lifetime winners lower then a given total. Perhaps $10,000 or $25,000… That would weed out A LOT of players, but would leave space for casual players that bet $10-$30 per day.

    Lastly, its important to have places for lower stakes events that don’t feature high rollers, because DFS is an ecosystem. If new players lose to much, they don’t reinvest. Obviously, people will argue that its a right of passage, but without an influx of new players it will eventually be nothing but sharks, and the ROI will go down for everybody. The counter argument that must also be considered is to many beginner tournaments leaves nothing but experienced players playing each other in bigger events, and makes it harder to be have a good EV. This is already the case in NBA where the player quality is higher then EVER. Somebody gets hurt 10 minutes before tip, and it’s safe to ownership of said player will be under 5%… Injury happened at 6:50pm a few years ago, ownership could still be in the 30% range, and everybody good would celebrate. This just doesn’t happen anymore.

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