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  • BurrTheBaddestB

    I know that I am undoubtedly beating a dead horse here with the creation of this new thread, but I gotta get something off of this massive chest ‘o mine that is beginning to grind at my inner “bitch”.

    This season – more so than ever before – pros, so-called “gurus”, and yes, even some decent-sized “sharks” seem to be flooding the “$250 NBA Mini Swat” GPP’s over on FanDuel. Some of them are very recognizable names in the DFS game (as well as being members of this site to boot). With such large amounts of money already won over time and seemingly limitless bankrolls at their disposal, this is as unsettling to me as it is humorous.

    Why are they even wasting their time (and mine) and why do they also seem to be seeking out each and every empty or unfilled “novice” and/or “small fish” opportunity that is possible nowadays?

    Is it an ego thing?

    Is it some kind of power play to remind everyone that you’re going to have to go through them no matter where you may try to play and no matter what amount that you’re willing to wager?

    There has got to be some underlying reason(s) as to how and why this is more prevalent now than during any other season/sport that I’ve noticed to date. If not for any of the aforementioned ones that I just questioned above, though, certainly for a different one…right?

    Any further thoughts and comments on this new(ish) (and absolutely pathetic) trend that I’ve noticed is welcomed and encouraged, gang. Thanks!

  • DoubleTime

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    What if the sites released, say, 20-man contests throughout the day at different buy-in levels for each slate. Anybody is free to enter these contests, with the one caveat being it must be your first submitted entry for that slate. I think this would let people get in one contest per slate with a more diverse crowd. It would be like a slight extension of the beginner games, but available to everyone. Each contest would have an entirely unique field. The pros would use their entry for the highest buy-in level available, leaving the $1 games for those that really are only trying to play $1 games. Once you enter any contest for a given slate, these contests disappear from your lobby. The rules would effect everybody equally so nobody could call it unfair. I do not think this would result in much of a decrease in total money spent by all users. The biggest problem with trying to come up with a solution for this issue (well-known players in every game), is that most solutions limit the overall money spent by all users, so the sites won’t go for it.

    A lot of the grumbling I read is from people that just want to play in one contest that isn’t filled with recognizable names. This is a hobby they spend a couple bucks on and just want one game where they aren’t playing against the best players in the industry. The sites need to come up with a solution that at least allows people to the opportunity to get in very limited action in protected games.

  • SelfCharmer

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    No, I play in “Beginner” games because I AM—*ahem*—a BEGINNER. I literally JUST started playing DFS and getting serious about it a little over a month ago.

    You have won $2.5k by your own admission… I am sure there are thousand of other people in the beginner contests who would love to win 10% of that.

    How about you just play the lowest stakes until you get better, you have the BR now to lose $200 in Quarter Arcades until you actually get better, then you wont mind some pros playing in $3 contests as there are still thousands of bad players at that stake.

    Or are you just trying to find the easiest way to win another $2.5k? If you find it, like I said before, let us know how..

  • KillaChap

    @SelfCharmer said...

    Or are you just trying to find the easiest way to win another $2.5k? If you find it, like I said before, let us know how..

    I’ve been playing 2 years and I would love to know how to win $2.5k. I’m not negative over that time but I certainly would love one big one to make it all worth it!

  • KillaChap

    @Cpjttogether said...

    Oh are the beginner contests not flooded with roto ql ,number fire ,monster roster or fantasy labs optimized line ups yet? can a beginner not buy a premium line up and play it? what a mess.

    As someone who has used most of those optimizers, you aren’t going to win dick with them. Even in a beginner contest.

  • KillaChap

    @jjwd said...

    If the real beef is “pros” playing in micro-limit contests, then stick to that point. Get RG on your side or find some other advocate organization. There are constructive ways to make things happen.

    You mean publicly shaming them isn’t constructive? Makes me feel better.

  • fanjuice

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    These are the same people that allow for big contests with huge payouts to happen in the first place because they play such high volume. I don’t think you could have the big $3 and 100k to first tournaments without these sharks. They also allow for more mini swats to be filled, and grow the sites overall experience.

    So there is an upside to the downside

  • fanjuice

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    @KillaChap said...

    As someone who has used most of those optimizers, you aren’t going to win dick with them. Even in a beginner contest.

    This is true, optimizers do have good picks, but the “optimal lineup” it spits out usually is robotic and a human would be able to tell it is a bad play but the optimizer won’t. (For example you know someone is trending down but the optimizer uses all data from the past and the optimized average will be higher than how he will perform today). The best way to succeed using optimizers is to eliminate the picks you don’t like first.

  • KillaChap

    @fanjuice said...

    These are the same people that allow for big contests with huge payouts to happen in the first place because they play such high volume. I don’t think you could have the big $3 and 100k to first tournaments without these sharks. They also allow for more mini swats to be filled, and grow the sites overall experience.

    So there is an upside to the downside

    I get this point, that’s why I’ll never complain about people mass entering huge GPP’s. Your chance at winning these is already slim and if you are expecting to win one, then you’re probably the most optimistic person on earth. My personal gripe is the 3 man $1 games with the “pros.” Let me eat the plankton. Then when I’m good and full I’ll bring more money into the sharks swimming pool and you can try to eat me. Ecosystem 101.

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    It’s been a little while since I last posted in here, as I wanted to sit back and observe a few things regarding what I originally created this thread about. Now with that being said (and for those who HAVEN’T noticed or would like to at least have a heads up), the high-volume “sharks”/DFS players known as “mollusk”, “rusgirl”, and “j_sportsfan_78” are ALL in cahoots together.

    Not only do they mass enter into all of the BIG-money tourneys with one another (with each one entering/reserving seats one right after the other EVERY DAMN TIME) but also into the $1 “NBA Mini Swat’s” every single slate as well.

    The aforementioned observation I just made became even MORE obvious once I started clicking on their lineups after lock each and every night/slate and noticing that ALL of their lineups are damn-near identical. The only variation(s) in each of them being 1-2 players switched out and rotated between them.

    I mean, it’s so goddamn obvious what they’re doing I can’t believe that I’m the first one noticing this and/or saying anything about it. Who do we have to go to or talk to over on FanDuel about getting these asshats banned and/or their accounts suspended? They’re deliberately colluding together to circumvent the max numbers of entries one is allowed to have so that one of them (or hell, ALL of them) can finish at (or very near) the top of each and every tournament, night in and night out.

  • jgrot22

    ^^^^ exactly.. or draft kings needs to make more single entry contest.

  • jecarl2

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    It’s been a little while since I last posted in here, as I wanted to sit back and observe a few things regarding what I originally created this thread about. Now with that being said (and for those who HAVEN’T noticed or would like to at least have a heads up), the high-volume “sharks”/DFS players known as “mollusk”, “rusgirl”, and “j_sportsfan_78” are ALL in cahoots together.

    Not only do they mass enter into all of the BIG-money tourneys with one another (with each one entering/reserving seats one right after the other EVERY DAMN TIME) but also into the $1 “NBA Mini Swat’s” every single slate as well.

    The aforementioned observation I just made became even MORE obvious once I started clicking on their lineups after lock each and every night/slate and noticing that ALL of their lineups are damn-near identical. The only variation(s) in each of them being 1-2 players switched out and rotated between them.

    I mean, it’s so goddamn obvious what they’re doing I can’t believe that I’m the first one noticing this and/or saying anything about it. Who do we have to go to or talk to over on FanDuel about getting these asshats banned and/or their accounts suspended? They’re deliberately colluding together to circumvent the max numbers of entries one is allowed to have so that one of them (or hell, ALL of them) can finish at (or very near) the top of each and every tournament, night in and night out.

    What makes you think you are the first one to notice this? There have been multiple post regarding this over the years and the sites choose to ignore the issue. It’s not in their financial interest to curb this activity. I can give you a much larger pool of players that share lineups, going all the way back to the Draftstreet days. It sucks but you need to be extra selective in picking your contest to try and avoid it. If you insist on playing in large field 50/50s and gpps then you are going to have to deal with this.

  • Rumblnbumblnstumbln

    Heterodox hit nail on head with his snapshot comment. Pros owe the DFS community nothing. The rant is like asking a professional poker player to avoid sitting at tables against amateurs. Are you kidding?! Probably, the best current way to mitigate a pros advantage is for the site (s) to create more single entry tournaments and/or reduce the number of entries into their multiple entry tournaments. Pros then become challenged to try and figure out which of their multiple lineup combinations is best. Periodically, they’ll pick weaker ones which helps most of us, the “generic field player”. The rant should be directed at the site to open up more single entry tournaments. Just my humble opinion.

  • dirtydistance

    I actually like playing the sharks, but I come from a background as a competive athlete and money aside, I jusr love the feeling of competing against the best and sometimes even beating those players everyone looks up to in the industry. However my problem is the big time multientries entering smaller 20 man $2 games on fanduel. Guys I work with would set these up for about 7-8 of us and then whoever else on Fd wanted to get in, and we’d have chipotleaddict and a few other big names joining us regularly. That was what annoyed me, but in the big pools, I enjoy going up against anyone and everyone.

  • Messiah717

    The sharks jump into everything they can get their hands on. Especially if they see smaller field contests setup by players they feel are easy prey. It sucks that somebody cannot even create a small game without these sharks being obnoxious about it and taking it over but that’s just the way it goes. The only solution is not to play because nothing is, has or will be done about it.

  • clatrndzl

    Who cares? Go play scratch off tickets if you want to gamble.

    Most of us understand what we are up against and that we can not change it. Just because they are good at what they do and have the bankroll to enter everything doesn’t mean they can’t or shouldn’t.

    If I was in their position, I’d do the exact same thing. I like money more than I like your feelings.

  • deactivated51600

    @clatrndzl said...

    I like money more than I like your feelings.

    Scary that someone actually seems proud to state this publicly. Good for you for being brainwashed by the dollar.

  • buckshock

    Just a simple question from a guy that loves playing daily fantasy. Why do the “pros, grinders, millionaires”, play such a wide disbursement of contests?? I’m talking about seeing them enter lets say a $400 tourney a max of 50 times. lets see, thats $20,000 in entries, and lets just say $1500 of their entry is lost for overhead to the site. Then a casual guy like me can’t even find a measley $1 triple up without those same players!!! Why? This just doesnt make any sense financially to me at all. Other than the obvious, which I probably can’t say on here….but we all think it…..opposite of “outside”…..Shed some light here, confused.

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    @clatrndzl said...

    Who cares? Go play scratch off tickets if you want to gamble.

    Most of us understand what we are up against and that we can not change it. Just because they are good at what they do and have the bankroll to enter everything doesn’t mean they can’t or shouldn’t.

    If I was in their position, I’d do the exact same thing. I like money more than I like your feelings.

    Well if THIS post doesn’t scream “scumbag”, I don’t know what else would qualify…

  • clatrndzl

    Get mad and call me names if you want. That is fine, but love and hugs don’t make the world go around. The almighty dollar does.

    Do you play DFS to break even? Were you not drawn to this due to the allure of winning tens of thousands of dollars?

    Right or wrong I want that money and as much of it as I can get. These “sharks” are not robbing people, or selling drugs, or anything else of that nature. They are doing something they are really good at and making a lot of money. Better get as much as they can while it lasts. I don’t blame them one bit.

  • w3junky

    There’s an easy solution. Every player has a ranking. Some contests only allow a certain level of ranked players. Ex: Any one ranked 2000 or higher. It’s ridiculous playing NBA this year. Sharks everywhere. The industry better be careful or us low guys are gonna get sick of this shit very soon and leave.

  • clatrndzl

    @w3junky said...

    There’s an easy solution. Every player has a ranking. Some contests only allow a certain level of ranked players. Ex: Any one ranked 2000 or higher. It’s ridiculous playing NBA this year. Sharks everywhere. The industry better be careful or us low guys are gonna get sick of this shit very soon and leave.

    This is one reason why they jam these tournaments as much as they can. This bubble will eventually pop, and these massive paydays will go away at some point.

  • blake024

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    I know that I am undoubtedly beating a dead horse here with the creation of this new thread, but I gotta get something off of this massive chest ‘o mine that is beginning to grind at my inner “bitch”.

    This season – more so than ever before – pros, so-called “gurus”, and yes, even some decent-sized “sharks” seem to be flooding the “$250 NBA Mini Swat” GPP’s over on FanDuel. Some of them are very recognizable names in the DFS game (as well as being members of this site to boot). With such large amounts of money already won over time and seemingly limitless bankrolls at their disposal, this is as unsettling to me as it is humorous.

    Why are they even wasting their time (and mine) and why do they also seem to be seeking out each and every empty or unfilled “novice” and/or “small fish” opportunity that is possible nowadays?

    Is it an ego thing?

    Is it some kind of power play to remind everyone that you’re going to have to go through them no matter where you may try to play and no matter what amount that you’re willing to wager?

    There has got to be some underlying reason(s) as to how and why this is more prevalent now than during any other season/sport that I’ve noticed to date. If not for any of the aforementioned ones that I just questioned above, though, certainly for a different one…right?

    Any further thoughts and comments on this new(ish) (and absolutely pathetic) trend that I’ve noticed is welcomed and encouraged, gang. Thanks!

    The only thing that is pathetic about this is your post. My god, play in only single entry tourneys or get the **** out of the DFS world. I am so sick of hearing the common DFS player complain about multi-entry and how the winning players go about their business. At least half of time on multi-entry GPPs a non ‘shark’ like you wins. And all that money they get for first is thanks exclusively to the $ provided by the max entry players. Just look at the spreadsheets, most of their lineups are garbage and don’t place! Multi-entering doesn’t significantly increase your chances of taking down a GPP. Quit complaining, and start working harder and researching more. Look at the top lineups each night and try to understand the mentality used in drafting those lineups. If this is too much work for you, then perhaps DFS isn’t for you. When people like you complain about the unfairness of DFS you are acting no differently than someone who wants to play football but doesn’t like to get tackled and instead of quitting you hang around and try and lobby the sport to eliminate it.

  • clatrndzl

    @blake024 said...

    The only thing that is pathetic about this is your post. My god, play in only single entry tourneys or get the **** out of the DFS world. I am so sick of hearing the common DFS player complain about multi-entry and how the winning players go about their business. At least half of time on multi-entry GPPs a non ‘shark’ like you wins. And all that money they get for first is thanks exclusively to the $ provided by the max entry players. Just look at the spreadsheets, most of their lineups are garbage and don’t place! Multi-entering doesn’t significantly increase your chances of taking down a GPP. Quit complaining, and start working harder and researching more. Look at the top lineups each night and try to understand the mentality used in drafting those lineups. If this is too much work for you, then perhaps DFS isn’t for you. When people like you complain about the unfairness of DFS you are acting no differently than someone who wants to play football but doesn’t like to get tackled and instead of quitting you hang around and try and lobby the sport to eliminate it.

    Careful. You’ll get lumped into the group of scumbags with me.

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    @clatrndzl said...

    Careful. You’ll get lumped into the group of scumbags with me.

    Too late…

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    @blake024 said...

    The only thing that is pathetic about this is your post. My god, play in only single entry tourneys or get the **** out of the DFS world. I am so sick of hearing the common DFS player complain about multi-entry and how the winning players go about their business. At least half of time on multi-entry GPPs a non ‘shark’ like you wins. And all that money they get for first is thanks exclusively to the $ provided by the max entry players. Just look at the spreadsheets, most of their lineups are garbage and don’t place! Multi-entering doesn’t significantly increase your chances of taking down a GPP. Quit complaining, and start working harder and researching more. Look at the top lineups each night and try to understand the mentality used in drafting those lineups. If this is too much work for you, then perhaps DFS isn’t for you. When people like you complain about the unfairness of DFS you are acting no differently than someone who wants to play football but doesn’t like to get tackled and instead of quitting you hang around and try and lobby the sport to eliminate it.

    A LOT of people agree with me and like my post.

    I’m sorry you are not one of them…

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