RSD FORUM

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    I know that I am undoubtedly beating a dead horse here with the creation of this new thread, but I gotta get something off of this massive chest ‘o mine that is beginning to grind at my inner “bitch”.

    This season – more so than ever before – pros, so-called “gurus”, and yes, even some decent-sized “sharks” seem to be flooding the “$250 NBA Mini Swat” GPP’s over on FanDuel. Some of them are very recognizable names in the DFS game (as well as being members of this site to boot). With such large amounts of money already won over time and seemingly limitless bankrolls at their disposal, this is as unsettling to me as it is humorous.

    Why are they even wasting their time (and mine) and why do they also seem to be seeking out each and every empty or unfilled “novice” and/or “small fish” opportunity that is possible nowadays?

    Is it an ego thing?

    Is it some kind of power play to remind everyone that you’re going to have to go through them no matter where you may try to play and no matter what amount that you’re willing to wager?

    There has got to be some underlying reason(s) as to how and why this is more prevalent now than during any other season/sport that I’ve noticed to date. If not for any of the aforementioned ones that I just questioned above, though, certainly for a different one…right?

    Any further thoughts and comments on this new(ish) (and absolutely pathetic) trend that I’ve noticed is welcomed and encouraged, gang. Thanks!

  • Bigo1

    Did BurrTheBaddestB have a bad DFS week?? Why would he/she continue posting on this thread?

    There are clearly two complete opposite points of views. Let us just agree to disagree and move on.

  • buckshock

    Wow, not one of you took this post for the information included in it for what it actually is. If any of you idiots had any sense of Intelligence to decipher the information contained herein, and henceforth, a most respectful and informative reply would have been included with the harsh reality of your brazen, hardheaded, tendencies. Read, and most importantly understand the included details and facts given, then process them….if mentally capable, in an intellectual manner. Lastly, if a response is going to be given, make damn sure it actually relates to the question at hand. Thank you for trying!!! You all get a participation trophy!!!!

  • deactivated146352

    Even though its a money thing.

    The beginner/intermediate mini swat contest is just as hard as the big tournament games. What stops pros from creating more then one account?

    Nothing.

    I just enter the bigger tournaments to increase my chances of winning.

  • clatrndzl

    @buckshock said...

    Wow, not one of you took this post for the information included in it for what it actually is. If any of you idiots had any sense of Intelligence to decipher the information contained herein, and henceforth, a most respectful and informative reply would have been included with the harsh reality of your brazen, hardheaded, tendencies. Read, and most importantly understand the included details and facts given, then process them….if mentally capable, in an intellectual manner. Lastly, if a response is going to be given, make damn sure it actually relates to the question at hand. Thank you for trying!!! You all get a participation trophy!!!!

    Wowee!

    Those are big words. Can’t you dumb it down for me and the others who don’t agree with you and OP?

  • BurrTheBaddestB

    @clatrndzl said...

    Wowee!

    Those are big words. Can’t you dumb it down for me and the others who don’t agree with you and OP?

    You’re one of a VERY SMALL percentage that seem to disagree with “buckshot” and myself. So congrats, you have that going for you at least, I suppose.

    This (plus all posts from you and your other little buddy liking all of your responses) should tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about why DFS as a whole is in the state that it’s in.

    Colluding and cheating are as rampant as ever (and I’m even providing you with names and tourneys I have proof it’s happening in), yet you’d like to encourage everyone to continue to turn a blind eye towards it?

    Un-fucking-real…

  • clatrndzl

    Don’t bring anyone else into it. I’ve been liking my own posts.

    Send all your “evidence” to FanDuel or DraftKings. I can’t do anything about it.

  • superstars92

    In a somewhat related note, does anyone know what happened to Saahil Sud? I don’t see him at all in the 300 dollar contest in DK (let alone max enter it), and I don’t see him in the 1500 one either. I’m not sure if he entered the 4 or 50 dollar ones or not. I also noticed yesterday, he did not enter the big 1500 dollar contest, where as other top pros like ChipotleAddict did. He also has not been entering as much lately the last month from what I’m observing (but just glancing at the live contests, so I don’t have super solid data on that). I did see him on FanDuel though (which I am a beginner yay), so it’s not like he stopped playing.

    It seems like he isn’t doing as well lately (but still probably profitable), so I am not sure how many of these “pros” actually make a lot of money. I definitely wouldn’t be a pro because the time/effort would be ridiculous and I doubt most of the top pros make more than my regular job.

    When you guys complain about pros, I have a feeling a ton of pros don’t even make that much, and it just happens like some nights a few of the pros win (which alternates) simply because the number of total entries from pros is a ton, and you guys just think pros win all the time (however most individual pros don’t make that much, it’s just that pros as a whole are positive EV so you get this feeling they always win).

  • superstars92

    I do agree about pros colluding/lineup sharing. I posted about this before too. Not only do they collude and share lineups, they are complete hypocrites about it.

    I can easily make a list of pros who collude because it literally happens every day and you see it so much that it just naturally compes up. For example people like Kunu88/Daut44/aejones/MakeItRain84/aboveandbeyond [1], Mazwa/ragingphillip [2], youdacao/mdoublet98 [3], etc. and the list goes on.

    I’ve got some respect for Saahil though. At least he does it his own way.

  • superstars92

    Actually, the youdacao/madoublet98 is the funniest from what I noticed. I’m just going by from what I observe sometimes in my double up and tourneys on DK. It looks like madoublet98 is like working for youdacao or something because youdacao is clearly the superior player and he also max enters and plays all the highest stakes, but madoublet98 tags along and has like the same cash game lineups as youdacao and the same core in tourneys but does not enter anywhere the stakes/entries that youdacao does.

    They either are like best buddies and one just piggybacks off the other or like ones literally working for the other lol (I’m being nice here with my wording lol but you can see what I’m getting at here…I could have phrased it differently between the two DFS relationship).

    Anyways, just gotta call them out on it cause it’s so obvious. It doesn’t really matter to me though. I just play for fun, occasionally win, but no matter how good I am, there’s no way I would play every night (or even on both sites). Even if I was making more in DFS than my current job (which is highly unlikely even after multiple mid-level GPP top finishes and will definitely be impossible in 3-5 years), I would never be a pro, and I honestly don’t know why people are full-time DFS players to be honest with you.

  • Messiah717

    Which is exactly why pros who look to collect every last dollar for their income will do anything to get it. The collusion being discussed is quite obvious. You can see these folks nightly with identical lineups all over the place. The sites don’t care so there’s two choices. Don’t play or stop complaining about it and play.

  • franciscolora

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    I know that I am undoubtedly beating a dead horse here with the creation of this new thread, but I gotta get something off of this massive chest ‘o mine that is beginning to grind at my inner “bitch”.

    This season – more so than ever before – pros, so-called “gurus”, and yes, even some decent-sized “sharks” seem to be flooding the “$250 NBA Mini Swat” GPP’s over on FanDuel. Some of them are very recognizable names in the DFS game (as well as being members of this site to boot). With such large amounts of money already won over time and seemingly limitless bankrolls at their disposal, this is as unsettling to me as it is humorous.

    Why are they even wasting their time (and mine) and why do they also seem to be seeking out each and every empty or unfilled “novice” and/or “small fish” opportunity that is possible nowadays?

    Is it an ego thing?

    Is it some kind of power play to remind everyone that you’re going to have to go through them no matter where you may try to play and no matter what amount that you’re willing to wager?

    There has got to be some underlying reason(s) as to how and why this is more prevalent now than during any other season/sport that I’ve noticed to date. If not for any of the aforementioned ones that I just questioned above, though, certainly for a different one…right?

    Any further thoughts and comments on this new(ish) (and absolutely pathetic) trend that I’ve noticed is welcomed and encouraged, gang. Thanks!

    At some point, people who complain in the same way you’re complaining, have to realize that not everyone can win at a game. There are winners and there are losers, just like there is in any game/sport. There are just people better than you. Why should the sites have to make it easier for YOU to win? You said it yourself, you made a quick lineup and took down beginner contests. You shouldn’t be able to win a game that you put basically no time into. So now, because you get your ass handed to you and you’re frustrated, the people who are good at the game have to take a step back so that you can win?

    I was a beginner just like you and I made my way up without complaining in the same circumstances you’re in. If you really want to be good, dedicate the time and effort, and you’ll get there. Stop complaining. Not everyone can win at a game. Again, NOT EVERYONE CAN WIN AT A GAME! I’ve just never heard of two World Series Champs, or two NBA Champs.. It just doesn’t work that way.

    If you’d some guidance on how to become a master and be like the top 1% of people at their craft, give a listen to Brian Tracy. He’ll explain it a lot better than I am.

    Also, I’m not trying to be a dick, I’m just being completely honest in my response. I hope you can take this reply and view the issue from our point of view.

  • Thanasi

    I love the response, “why should sites make it easier for you to win.” That’s exactly what they’re doing when the sites raise the max entry from 20 to 150. Recently DK lowered max in 4 point play to 20 and the mass entry players suddenly weren’t populating the leaderboard, but DK raised it back to 150 and Awesemo wins with the names of other mass entry players not far behind. Congrats to Awesemo on a great win with 36 entries which is obviously tame compared to other mass entry players but I do find it interesting that many of the mass entry players were missing from the leaderboards when limit was 20 then max shoots back to 150 & the familiar names are back at the top.

  • jokerswild22

    someone please link this girl to a single entry contest.

  • SelfCharmer

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    I can’t believe that I’m the first one noticing this and/or saying anything about it.

    Cute.

  • SelfCharmer

    @BurrTheBaddestB said...

    A LOT of people agree with me and like my post.

    I’m sorry you are not one of them…

    The rest of us are busy getting on with our lives, rather than looking for ways to make ourselves feel better on the internet.

    If you play dfs and value the other players feelings over the money, then you are a fish.

  • Messiah717

    As has been mentioned the real issue is the collusion that continues to take place and is blindly allowed.

  • Immaculate

    I believe one of the factors affecting the tendency for “sharks” to enter even the low $ contests might be the Rankings system itself, primarily on RG but, to a lesser extent, on other, less popular sites. Right now, RG does not include in their Super Heavyweight rankings any Tournaments with a Prize Pool less than $5K, according to the FAQ, . I think it would serve the DFS ecosystem better if, in addition to this qualifier, RG ignored any contest with an entry fee of less than $27 in the Super Heavyweight rankings.

    Whether these rankings really have that much influence over which contests pros choose to enter is open to debate but it doesn’t make any sense to me to include contests in the top-tier rankings that are made up mostly of low-tier players. Revising the rules relating to the Rankings accordingly might be one more positive step toward improving the overall fairness of DFS play.

  • superstars92

    @Thanasi said...

    I love the response, “why should sites make it easier for you to win.” That’s exactly what they’re doing when the sites raise the max entry from 20 to 150. Recently DK lowered max in 4 point play to 20 and the mass entry players suddenly weren’t populating the leaderboard, but DK raised it back to 150 and Awesemo wins with the names of other mass entry players not far behind. Congrats to Awesemo on a great win with 36 entries which is obviously tame compared to other mass entry players but I do find it interesting that many of the mass entry players were missing from the leaderboards when limit was 20 then max shoots back to 150 & the familiar names are back at the top.

    I’m not supporting pros with my comment, but your argument here is incredibly flawed. Of course when they decrease the max entries to 20 and the tournammet still fills at it’s normal size, you’ll see less pros (if you define pros as people who max enter or nearly max enter) at the top of the leaderboard. That’s simply because they have less entries as a whole compared to the rest of the field.

    However, their EV does not change (if anything it might slightly increase because they don’t submit lineups 21-150 which to them, have slightly less EV, than lineups 1-20).

    If you can prove their EV changes as a whole group, then that proves your point. However I’m positive it doesn’t.

    Again stop looking at pros as individuals. Look at them as a group. Of course from time to time a few pros as individuals will stand out, but as a group I think they are becoming less and less profitable. It’s quite obvious with SaahilSud, but you can see it across the industry.

  • Messiah717

    @Immaculate said...

    I believe one of the factors affecting the tendency for “sharks” to enter even the low $ contests might be the Rankings system itself, primarily on RG but, to a lesser extent, on other, less popular sites. Right now, RG does not include in their Super Heavyweight rankings any Tournaments with a Prize Pool less than $5K, according to the FAQ, . I think it would serve the DFS ecosystem better if, in addition to this qualifier, RG ignored any contest with an entry fee of less than $27 in the Super Heavyweight rankings.

    Whether these rankings really have that much influence over which contests pros choose to enter is open to debate but it doesn’t make any sense to me to include contests in the top-tier rankings that are made up mostly of low-tier players. Revising the rules relating to the Rankings accordingly might be one more positive step toward improving the overall fairness of DFS play.

    I think to them it’s just about sucking up as much money as they possibly can every night.

  • KillaChap

    I just want the pros out of my $1 entry 3 man tournaments. Is that too much to ask? They must not be making much money if they need that $2.70. Lord knows I’m not .

  • KillaChap

    At what point do the “fish” start mass entering with other “fish” and use these same tactics?

  • hendog

    • 2017 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    I can understand the point of view that there’s something wrong here, but I have yet to see a reasonable solution that accounts for all the varieties of playing styles and life situations. Regarding my own experience, I have a been a multi-enterer for years. A few years ago I was max entering the NFL quarter arcades every week when they dropped the limit down to 50. That sucked hard! Now to get the same action I had to go up to $1 and $2. But the limit there was also 50. If I wanted to get the same volume as previously I needed to move up to $3 stakes, where max entering cost $450—more than I could justify. I made some poor decisions then, as I was not a winning player. I’m lucky I didn’t lose my bankroll. And all because people were worried about the integrity of the low buy-in games, forcing me to make bad financial decisions to continue my hobby.

    I slowly built my bankroll and this season I was playing $1-5 GPPs. I got lucky and had some life-changing wins. Should I be legally mandated to move up? I will, of course, move up slightly, maybe incorporate the $9 Slant, but it’s not like I now have the bankroll to max enter the milly maker every week. I mean, I could afford to, but it would be stupid bankroll management.

    Not to mention that my family is not in the greatest financial situation, and I withdrew 95% of the winnings to pay off medical bills and student loans. And not even completely at that. So my bankroll for next season will be not much bigger than it started last season. But now that I’ve had success am I some kind of shark or pro and I have to come up with a new playing style? Give me a break.

    In short, the rules some of you want to see simply promote poor bankroll management. I like to play lower stakes, not because I find the competition easier but because that’s what I’m comfortable with given my personal preferences for caution, playing style, and financial situation.

    There are some hypothetical rules that would leave someone like me untouched. For example, if restrictions only kick in when you enter a $1K+ buyin or something like that. But screw that also, I want to be able to take that option if I feel like really gambling one night, and I wouldn’t want it to torpedo my entire DFS experience as a result.

    Until there’s a proposal for limiting the play of top players that actually recognizes them as human beings with their own individual situations and doesn’t hamstring their choices, I will continue to push back in these threads. (actually, one option might be more levels of beginner-only statuses. People will still complain when they reach gen pop though). Don’t forget to consider what should happen when a “pro” loses their bankroll. It happens, folks. When are they let back in to the lower stakes?

    If you want me to quit, or change my playing style to one I’m not comfortable with, because of one big win, then I’m taking that as a personal attack on my family. That win helped lessen our debts and I hope for more wins in the future to bring us out of debt completely. In the meantime, if you don’t think you can win, you should probably stop playing. Or if you think that mass multi-entering is unfair, then do it yourself, grinding the lowest levels. Not because it’s easier competition, but because you can afford more entries. It’s how I got started, and it took me four years and untold thousands of hours to make a profit and convince myself that I’m actually good at this. If you want to compete, put in that time yourself. There are no easy wins, even for the “pros”.

  • w3junky

    Check out these $3 mini’s on FD. Every single one has the same 10-20 guys/girls in it and each one has 5-10 entries. So ridiculous. Make these single entry dang it!

  • Ryazan

    • x3

      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    back in my hayday (yea i had one in 2015), when I was on top of the world in MLB, I only played the $300 Monster and the $1065 Slugger, with occasional $25 contests mixed in – I never even thought of bothering with low buy in contests – only do it now cuz i’m basically broke lol. How someone with over 100K in their bankroll plays $1, $5, $10 contests, it boggles my mind as to how big of dirtbags these kinda people are. Even worse is when they play qualifiers that are under $25 to to get into higher buy in contests when they can easily buy in directly.

    The responsibility falls 100% on the website themselves by the way – they enable this kind of behavior.

  • SA16

    • 914

      RG Overall Ranking

    Make better lineups

  • X Unread Thread
  • X Thread with New Replies*
  • *Jumps to your first unread reply

RotoGrinders.com is the home of the daily fantasy sports community. Our content, rankings, member blogs, promotions and forum discussion all cater to the players that like to create a new fantasy team every day of the week.

If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL). Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER (NJ/WV/PA/MI), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (CO), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-888-532-3500 (VA) or call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN).