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  • dpadilla

    I’m sure it’s pretty common and every site has been doing it for years, but sites directly comping entries strikes me as unethical. When casinos do it they’re only costing themselves money, but in dfs every new entry in a tournament costs the other entrants. So in my opinion, the sites are taking money (or tournament value) away from entrants who paid or won their entry fee without losing anything themselves. Am I overreacting?

    Also, I’m not talking about the rewards points that everyone earns, since everyone earns them at the same rate.

  • danilo

    Very good point Dpadilla!

  • cwatson51

    I don’t think they’re doing anything wrong or unethical. It’s known when you register for the tournament how many possible entries are in it or could be. Doesn’t matter who pays for the entry or how it gets filled up. I understand what you’re saying and how it would be less entries into the tournament if they didn’t but its put out ahead of time how many possible entries their could be. They arent adding entries after its already full or anything.

  • jhorst52

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    Yeah, this really doesn’t make sense. You purchase a ticket to a tournament with X players and X payout. How the tournament fills (paid or non paid) entries has no impact on the tournament or the entry you yourself purchase.

  • danilo

    jhorst, your point is valid in a full GPP. In one that has overlay, however, it makes a significant difference.

  • PigskinaBlanket

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    I have no problem with it. Base your play decisions assuming a full GPP. You can never count on overlay

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    I see where you’re coming from, but I don’t think your logic is correct.
    Assuming we’re talking about GPP’s (which I believe are all the comp’s I’ve ever received) the sites are guaranteeing the prize pool. In effect that means they are 100% staking the contest. It’s their money (up to when the rake threshold is met)…Until, as players, we buy in our share(s) to play for the agreed upon prize.
    The expectation should be that each of those contests will fill.
    If they don’t, Overlay is great…but I don’t think it’s unethical in any way for them to run promos, or comp entries….Again, they are the ones assuming the risk when they run big GPP’s.
    Also, from what I’ve seen, lots of those offers often go to casual players or people who haven’t been playing much lately…so these offers can be good for DFS as a whole as they help bring in/keep new casual players which may be more beneficial in the long run.

  • ThatStunna

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    Sites aren’t allowed to sell discounted entries to gpps (by law I believe). Giving out free entries would be different because the site doesn’t (directly) make a profit.

  • dpadilla

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    I see where you’re coming from, but I don’t think your logic is correct.
    Assuming we’re talking about GPP’s (which I believe are all the comp’s I’ve ever received) the sites are guaranteeing the prize pool. In effect that means they are 100% staking the contest. It’s their money (up to when the rake threshold is met)…Until, as players, we buy in our share(s) to play for the agreed upon prize.
    The expectation should be that each of those contests will fill.
    If they don’t, Overlay is great…but I don’t think it’s unethical in any way for them to run promos, or comp entries….Again, they are the ones assuming the risk when they run big GPP’s.
    Also, from what I’ve seen, lots of those offers often go to casual players or people who haven’t been playing much lately…so these offers can be good for DFS as a whole as they help bring in/keep new casual players which may be more beneficial in the long run.

    I think unethical was the wrong word. Maybe unfair to those who paid their entry fee?

  • danilo

    I guess I see things a little different than some of the subsequent posters

    My expectations:

    -site puts up a gpp and honors the guarantee

    -every individual has the same opportunity to partake of the contest (excluding beginner only contests)

    With all the concerns about the industry, do we really think it is appropriate for 80% of the people to pay full price for entries while others are getting theirs for free?

    It doesn’t seem fair nor does it seem wise

  • futureoffantasy

    Perhaps you should consider it a part of their Rewards Program and that might put your mind at ease.

    You know how the Top Tier gets access to the largest monthly freeroll each month? They are getting rewarded more for playing more despite the regular FPPs being released at the same rate. Comping entries is just the same as them adding $50K more to the monthly freeroll, for example. Not exactly the same obviously, but same premise. You spend more, you get more.

    Another reason I’m fine with comped entries… it gives sites more reason to take a risk in terms of bigger contests without being as scared for potential overlay. They can take a few more chances with expansion if they have comped entries in their back pocket to alleviate some of the overlay if they swing and miss in terms of making GPPs too big.

  • catmando

    With rake going to 15 percent some overlay would be good and so would some comps…the whole FDP monthly thing is no longer worth it as everyone gets in

  • Nosuckoutplz

    This is really only a (serious) problem if the site has something to gain from the entries. Beyond goodwill/marketing/etc.

    For example, in poker it’s happened a few times that the venue will actually freeroll some of their employees, with the expectation that whatever they win comes off the books, not actually paid to them. That’s a problem.

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