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  • Putz

    Is it true he sometimes gets paid by people who support “regulated” gaming and writes “opinion” articles against DFS, often in a negative light, with lots of conjecture and speculation taken as fact by so many, such as the main stream media?

    Is it true those same people who pay him, and those with similar interests, are after DFS because they can’t get online gaming legal here in the US? Is he a shill for them or a good guy who supports DFS?

    Anyone done an investigation on the motive of Chris Grove and who pays him via “Consulting” services?

    Just curious given his poker background. His most recent article or blog or anti-DFS report was “investigating” whether DraftKings was blocking users or not from playing games from within the state over the weekend. I didn’t pay much attention to his writings until recent events, only to see the biased garbage he writes.

    Anyone have knowledge of this and care to answer these questions?

  • bsize30

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  • Putz

    After reading his bio/role description under his article, it’s pretty clear now…

    Chris Grove – Chris is the publisher of Xxxxx and Xxxxxxx. Grove also serves as a consultant to various stakeholders in the regulated market for online gambling in the United States.

  • easternmh

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    Certainly seems to have one

  • fishcakeking

    FCK

    @Putz said...

    Is it true he sometimes gets paid by people who support “regulated” gaming and writes “opinion” articles against DFS, often in a negative light, with lots of conjecture and speculation taken as fact by so many, such as the main stream media?

    Is it true those same people who pay him, and those with similar interests, are after DFS because they can’t get online gaming legal here in the US? Is he a shill for them or a good guy who supports DFS?

    Anyone done an investigation on the motive of Chris Grove and who pays him via “Consulting” services?

    Just curious given his poker background. His most recent article or blog or anti-DFS report was “investigating” whether DraftKings was blocking users or not from playing games from within the state over the weekend. I didn’t pay much attention to his writings until recent events, only to see the biased garbage he writes.

    Anyone have knowledge of this and care to answer these questions?

    I actually did some research into this as a few people privately made some accusations.

    In my research I found no financial connection that would be of concern. I could have missed something, but I will say there are many people who’s financial association to sites is undeniable.

    FCK

  • Heterodox

    Everyone has an agenda. Everyone. It’s not worthwhile to focus on what that might be. Better to stick to refuting any bullshit they spew and leave the motives out of it.

  • jmo26

    He was actually asked about this thread on Twitter: https://twitter.com/OPReport/status/655874245453451264

  • Cal

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    I know Chris and have been an OnlinePokerReport reader for years. I do not think his nor Dustin Gouker’s content is influenced in any way by third parties.

  • Putz

    Thanks for clarifying. Just seems to be all in for shutting down DFS, maybe because online gambling is not legal and based on the negative spin in many his articles. Based on that it’s plausible to wonder who he consults for in the industry trying to shutdown DFS because their industry is not legal.

    Regarding his tweet, it’s great to make things more transparent, but what positive articles has he written? Whose minds are made up? These were questions based on his corpus of work and consulting work for the industry that is anti-DFS.

  • Putz

    As an example, the NYTimes jumps on his little blog as a point of fact to bash DK for allowing people in Nevada to enter contests in Sunday…

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/19/sports/draftkings-continues-to-operate-in-nevada.html?_r=0&referer=

    This flaw in his little experiment is the following, which the mainstream media does not bring up…

    5. The DraftKings account we logged into had a mailing address located in another state listed in the account information.

    Given this information, he clearly had no understanding of technology. They operated their experiment on a laptop on a casino wifi network. If done on a mobile device, DK could have used geofencing technology via GPS to prevent this activity. This group failed to validate their IP address, which can be done on many sites for free. They also reference a year old quote from a DK employee about deficiencies in their tracking technology.

    Agenda anyone? Now Drape references this little blog and its flawed experiment (note all the updates to correct its flaws and add clarifications) as fact. Maybe Joe should have written for Chris?

  • jmo26

    I do think it’s unfortunate that Chris chooses to have a bit of a slant in his writing, as I don’t think it necessarily benefits himself or his site, but I don’t think it’s because he’s influenced by any third party at all.

    What he hints at in a couple of his tweets, and I do agree with, is the fact that a lot of the DFS community needs to redirect at least some of their anger towards those who deserve it: the sites. Seems there are a lot of people attacking either each other (lots of Twitter wars) or the reporters/lawyers (some undoubtedly deserve it – Joe Drape and Daniel Wallach, for example, jump on anything that sheds a negative light on DFS, with little concern for its accuracy). However, speaking as someone who loves DK and would be absolutely crushed if it didn’t get through this, I think it’s hard to argue against the fact that they’ve handled this all very poorly, and are ultimately responsible for where we’re at right now.

  • LSRDustin

    @Putz said...

    As an example, the NYTimes jumps on his little blog as a point of fact to bash DK for allowing people in Nevada to enter contests in Sunday…

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/19/sports/draftkings-continues-to-operate-in-nevada.html?_r=0&referer=

    This flaw in his little experiment is the following, which the mainstream media does not bring up…

    5. The DraftKings account we logged into had a mailing address located in another state listed in the account information.

    Given this information, he clearly had no understanding of technology. They operated their experiment on a laptop on a casino wifi network. If done on a mobile device, DK could have used geofencing technology via GPS to prevent this activity. This group failed to validate their IP address, which can be done on many sites for free. They also reference a year old quote from a DK employee about deficiencies in their tracking technology.

    Agenda anyone? Now Drape references this little blog and its flawed experiment (note all the updates to correct its flaws and add clarifications) as fact. Maybe Joe should have written for Chris?

    It was not on a casino wifi network. Not sure where you got that from.

  • Putz

    @LSRDustin said...

    It was not on a casino wifi network. Not sure where you got that from.

    What wifi network was it?

  • DavidK44

    @Putz said...

    5. The DraftKings account we logged into had a mailing address located in another state listed in the account information.

    Given this information, he clearly had no understanding of technology. They operated their experiment on a laptop on a casino wifi network. If done on a mobile device, DK could have used geofencing technology via GPS to prevent this activity.

    The point was that DK has been ordered not to operate in the state. That DK would have stopped this group had they used a mobile phone is irrelevant to the fact that they didn’t stop this group when they used a computer on a wifi network somewhere in Nevada. From the way the NGC/AG frame their decisions, it was on the sites to prevent people (residents and non-residents alike) from playing within Nevada.

    “We block people using their mobile phones to play DFS in Nevada”
    “But what about people using a computer?”
    “We blocked mobile play!”

  • footballfplyer55567

    Clear agenda, just look at their history of posts.

  • Vigilantes

    My opinion is this dude was jealous that DFS was operating while his beloved online poker cannot. He has been on a mission to destroy DFS and was largely responsible for blowing the scandal up using his contacts in the media right from threads on here.

  • Putz

    @DavidK44 said...

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    Again, what is the point of this dude “investigating” whether sites are complying with state laws? He is becoming a part of the story vs. a blogger. His reason is clear.

  • Heterodox

    @Putz said...

    5. The DraftKings account we logged into had a mailing address located in another state listed in the account information.

    Given this information, he clearly had no understanding of technology. They operated their experiment on a laptop on a casino wifi network. If done on a mobile device, DK could have used geofencing technology via GPS to prevent this activity. This group failed to validate their IP address, which can be done on many sites for free. They also reference a year old quote from a DK employee about deficiencies in their tracking technology.

    I haven’t read the article, it’s on my list but goddamn am I getting sick of them…the question I could answer myself but don’t want to is if the overall point was that they are being lax in their controls regarding who can play and who can’t? If they are not doing enough to prevent people from playing who aren’t supposed to be playing, they are endangering the industry by inviting even more trouble and making everyone look like a bunch of rule skirters. I say IF. I don’t know, just a plausible premise. I concede that the actual points a lot of these articles make get lost in the tone or the facts/allegations/assumptions they choose to repeat and emphasize over others, but I’m still surprised to see you on the “blame the messenger” side of things.

    I repeat my earlier point about focusing on the ad hominem part of things, and instead questioning the substance of any issues raised.

  • Heterodox

    @Putz said...

    Again, what is the point of this dude “investigating” whether sites are complying with state laws? He is becoming a part of the story vs. a blogger. His reason is clear.

    He blogs on the industry, does he not? Do you not think it’s of interest whether or not the sites are complying with with law at either the state or federal level? It seems obvious to me that anyone would investigate this for any number of reasons legit and not

  • Putz

    @Heterodox said...

    I haven’t read the article, it’s on my list but goddamn am I getting sick of them…the question I could answer myself but don’t want to is if the overall point was that they are being lax in their controls regarding who can play and who can’t? If they are not doing enough to prevent people from playing who aren’t supposed to be playing, they are endangering the industry by inviting even more trouble and making everyone look like a bunch of rule skirters. I say IF. I don’t know, just a plausible premise. I concede that the actual points a lot of these articles make get lost in the tone or the facts/allegations/assumptions they choose to repeat and emphasize over others, but I’m still surprised to see you on the “blame the messenger” side of things.

    I repeat my earlier point about focusing on the ad hominem part of things, and instead questioning the substance of any issues raised.

    A messenger vs. messenger w/agenda is different. I see he wrote an article on Ethan’s investigation, but will this one trickle up to his buddy at the NY Times to add something more positive?

  • Heterodox

    @Putz said...

    A messenger vs. messenger w/agenda is different.

    I don’t want to say no, but no. It’s just not useful to think about what anyone’s agenda is, even if it seems really obvious in some cases. Ultimately, everyone has one. You get into a sniping war over whose motives are pure. All that matters is the substance, or lack thereof, of what they report.

    I mean, if he has an agenda but is right, is it important that he has an agenda?

  • Putz

    @Heterodox said...

    I don’t want to say no, but no. It’s just not useful to think about what anyone’s agenda is, even if it seems really obvious in some cases. Ultimately, everyone has one. You get into a sniping war over whose motives are pure. All that matters is the substance, or lack thereof, of what they report.

    I mean, if he has an agenda but is right, is it important that he has an agenda?

    Absolutely.

  • Heterodox

    A good example would be all those who work for this site and have shouted down and ridiculed every concern everyone has ever raised. They have an obvious conflict of interest between the sites they/their employer have business relationships with and the posters who want to have an open discussion on sensitive issues. When they make asinine points like “the sites have too much to lose to let that happen” I don’t bother pointing out their agenda. It’s obvious and not constructive. I instead focus on why that’s such a mind bogglingly stupid point to make.

  • Heterodox

    @Putz said...

    Absolutely.

    Well I guess we can agree to disagree. I just think it’s like elementary logic to not focus on the individual but instead focus on the substance or lack of substance of their arguments. You can go down the rabbit hole of agendas but like I said, everyone has one, they can deflect back and you get no where.

  • Galante118

    • Blogger of the Month

    Certainly seems extremely biased

  • footballfplyer55567

    There are little to no ethical/moral based reporters or main stream media outlets anymore. You can’t rely on these for your news anymore. All about what will build up stories, propaganda, and eye-balls/clicks.

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