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  • drummerjack

    Dumpster diving in a $3 200 person Mini Squeeze with a $100 top prize.

  • JustDFSin

    If this is there living they are not supposed to enter because you don’t wan’t them to?

  • Jcb890

    Don’t worry, Matt Kalish and the DK “Integrity Team” have been listening to and seeing the comments/complaints. They’re going to “take action quickly” and “possibly make changes for NFL season”.

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/dk-community-guidelines-and-compliance-interview-with-matt-kalish-submit-questions-and-suggestions-1900918

    (yes, that was sarcasm)

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    @Jcb890 said...

    Don’t worry, Matt Kalish and the DK “Integrity Team” have been listening to and seeing the comments/complaints. They’re going to “take action quickly” and “possibly make changes for NFL season”.

    https://rotogrinders.com/threads/dk-community-guidelines-and-compliance-interview-with-matt-kalish-submit-questions-and-suggestions-1900918

    (yes, that was sarcasm)

    Jack, listen to that interview JCB linked to, around the 29 minute mark.

    While JCB’s take on it is negative, it’s actually good news for your complaint. Matt says they are looking to make changes to address this.

    It’s up to the sites to address ecosystem issues like this. There are high volume players that self exclude from low stakes, but all top players are never going to be on the same page about self exclusion. The sites can address, it, though. I don’t know what they will end up doing but at least you have confirmation they are working on it.

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    @Cal said...

    Jack, listen to that interview JCB linked to, around the 29 minute mark.

    While JCB’s take on it is negative, it’s actually good news for your complaint. Matt says they are looking to make changes to address this.

    It’s up to the sites to address ecosystem issues like this. There are high volume players that self exclude from low stakes, but all top players are never going to be on the same page about self exclusion. The sites can address, it, though. I don’t know what they will end up doing but at least you have confirmation they are working on it.

    Yes maybe they will develop a game integrity team to look into it (he says with heavy sarcasm)

  • Jcb890

    @Cal said...

    Jack, listen to that interview JCB linked to, around the 29 minute mark.

    While JCB’s take on it is negative, it’s actually good news for your complaint. Matt says they are looking to make changes to address this.

    It’s up to the sites to address ecosystem issues like this. There are high volume players that self exclude from low stakes, but all top players are never going to be on the same page about self exclusion. The sites can address, it, though. I don’t know what they will end up doing but at least you have confirmation they are working on it.

    Why should anyone have a take on that interview other than it being negative? It was 33 minutes of skirting around issues and not providing any real answers. Matt repeatedly claims that they are going to “take action quickly”. If this is indeed quick for them, I’d be really curious to know what a long lead time or slow action would be. This has been well over a year in the making.

    The Community Guidelines were not clarified at all in the interview, except that they are a “living document” – translation “useless”. What exactly did Kalish present to the audience other than the usual “Integrity Team” BS that everyone already knows about? I don’t see any comments that are positive in regards to the interview either. He contradicts himself multiple times during the interview claiming separately that it is both OK to work together to create lineups, split entry fees, split profits, etc. as long as each person contributes something to the lineups being built, but then says it would be colluding and against the rules to work together to create advantages. Basically all anyone has to do is play dumb, play that you are naive and claim you are each contributing to lineup construction. “1 or 2 people is ok, but when we see 20 or 30 people doing it, it is a problem.” Awesome stance DK!

    Can you even say with a straight face that interview was useful and brought about anything positive? Did it give you a good feeling that the Community Guidelines will see “substantive changes” as Kalish put it?

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    @Jcb890 said...

    Why should anyone have a take on that interview other than it being negative? It was 33 minutes of skirting around issues and not providing any real answers. Matt repeatedly claims that they are going to “take action quickly”. If this is indeed quick for them, I’d be really curious to know what a long lead time or slow action would be. This has been well over a year in the making.

    The Community Guidelines were not clarified at all in the interview, except that they are a “living document” – translation “useless”. What exactly did Kalish present to the audience other than the usual “Integrity Team” BS that everyone already knows about? I don’t see any comments that are positive in regards to the interview either. He contradicts himself multiple times during the interview claiming separately that it is both OK to work together to create lineups, split entry fees, split profits, etc. as long as each person contributes something to the lineups being built, but then says it would be colluding and against the rules to work together to create advantages. Basically all anyone has to do is play dumb, play that you are naive and claim you are each contributing to lineup construction. “1 or 2 people is ok, but when we see 20 or 30 people doing it, it is a problem.” Awesome stance DK!

    Can you even say with a straight face that interview was useful and brought about anything positive? Did it give you a good feeling that the Community Guidelines will see “substantive changes” as Kalish put it?

    You’re so negative that you’ve taken a positive and turned it into a negative. DK has never said publicly before that they were going to address sharks swimming in the shallow end. Now they are saying they are going to take some actions on it. Instead of saying “why didn’t you do this earlier or move faster,” why not say “I’m glad you’re looking at this issue I find important, here are my suggestions for how to improve the situation:”

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    @JustDFSin said...

    If this is there living they are not supposed to enter because you don’t wan’t them to?

    I’m guessing some of these guys wont be doing it for a living much longer……

  • phillygamecox

    @Cal said...

    You’re so negative that you’ve taken a positive and turned it into a negative. DK has never said publicly before that they were going to address sharks swimming in the shallow end. Now they are saying they are going to take some actions on it. Instead of saying “why didn’t you do this earlier or move faster,” why not say “I’m glad you’re looking at this issue I find important, here are my suggestions for how to improve the situation:”

    Cal – I think the main issue with these situations is that the sites are always reactive versus proactive. Unless there is a big fuss made, or something exposed like Ethan, Mazwa/raging, etc…the sites are more than happy to just turn their heads the other way. Deep down, they should know the optics and/or other shady things should be addressed well before it comes to light through a RG forum post.

    I am 100% hopeful that the sites do a much better job and will once again give them the chance to show us they truly care about integrity of the industry. Yet, the track record is very poor along those lines, so I think until actual changes are made – everyone will be hesitant to trust the sites are doing what is in the majority of the player’s best interests.

  • madmanjayWV

    Why the heck are they waiting to friggin’ NFL season to “get going” — so epic #FAIL

  • sochoice

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    The $3 mini squeeze is open to any player at this time with a 5 entry limit, right? So, is your problem that you are playing against good players or that they are able to enter 5 entries into the tourney (as you are too if you choose)? If you don’t want to take the chance of running into any really good, high volume players, play only single entry tournaments. That way, your one lineup is matched up against any player’s one lineup. Good measure of your skill and their skill on that particular slate and you are on equal footing with them. Easy solution.

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    @phillygamecox said...

    Cal – I think the main issue with these situations is that the sites are always reactive versus proactive. Unless there is a big fuss made, or something exposed like Ethan, Mazwa/raging, etc…the sites are more than happy to just turn their heads the other way. Deep down, they should know the optics and/or other shady things should be addressed well before it comes to light through a RG forum post.

    I am 100% hopeful that the sites do a much better job and will once again give them the chance to show us they truly care about integrity of the industry. Yet, the track record is very poor along those lines, so I think until actual changes are made – everyone will be hesitant to trust the sites are doing what is in the majority of the player’s best interests.

    I think this is a very accurate description of how many DFS players feel. The concerns and frustrations that they are now looking into trying to improve are not new in any way and have been things they have heard about for years. I am all for giving sites the benefit of the doubt and am curious to see what changes occur but am also not going to hold my breath for any real solutions to come of this. In the past changes from the sites have been paper thin, so I don’t expect this to be any different.

    Hopefully, I am wrong and in the coming months we see sites create a system that meets the needs of both small and large BR players. I am of the belief that this system can become a reality, but it’s up to the sites to pull the trigger and decide it is worth it.

    In the meantime I think we are once again stuck in limbo. You will have some players constantly defending the sites and saying we need to give them a chance to back up their comments. On the other hand you will have players saying that sites have had a grace period lasting multiple years and yet never decided to do anything despite hearing these exact same frustrations. The reality is that neither side is wrong.

  • Jvanspro

    @Cal said...

    You’re so negative that you’ve taken a positive and turned it into a negative. DK has never said publicly before that they were going to address sharks swimming in the shallow end. Now they are saying they are going to take some actions on it. Instead of saying “why didn’t you do this earlier or move faster,” why not say “I’m glad you’re looking at this issue I find important, here are my suggestions for how to improve the situation:”

    Sorry Cal, I can’t agree. All Matt did was dance around and nothing positive came from the interview. We’ve been down this road before. I think we just need to realize that the sites could care less about what players think as long as they keep getting rake.

  • Clyde

    @sochoice said...

    The $3 mini squeeze is open to any player at this time with a 5 entry limit, right? So, is your problem that you are playing against good players or that they are able to enter 5 entries into the tourney (as you are too if you choose)? If you don’t want to take the chance of running into any really good, high volume players, play only single entry tournaments. That way, your one lineup is matched up against any player’s one lineup. Good measure of your skill and their skill on that particular slate and you are on equal footing with them. Easy solution.

    That about says it all…the reason Jake Marishnick, batting 9th or wherever he was batting, pops up in a few winning lineups is because of high volume lineup entries and in a relatively high projected scoring game he’s bound to show up somewhere…you’re not as likely to see him in a single or 3-5 max entry…it’s their best against yours

  • HungryHungryHip

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    If this is there living they are not supposed to enter because you don’t wan’t them to?

    So you finished in the top 10 and them playing bumped you down on prizes?? FeelsBadMan

  • JustDFSin

    In the words of a famous RG contributor, build a better a lineup

  • Clyde

    @JustDFSin said...

    In the words of a famous RG contributor, build a better a lineup

    That’s it…

  • reugene81

    As much as it can be frustrating to see sharks in low fee contest I feel that the best thing to do is join them. I am a mid level player on Draftkings that has won quite a bit of small gpp. Hoping to get up to their level soon. I have learned the game and used my research to find my way on top of a lot of contest and I mostly only play tournaments. I have the mentality that I can be one of those guys. In my opinion work harder and get better.

  • Taterchipdip

    I have beaten all three of those sharks on DK. Sure they are great players and lots of times they have crushed me, but that doesnt mean I give up. When they beat you look at their LUs study them to see why they are the best. Who says YOU cant become the best? It will take time, but so what?

  • Cpjttogether

    How would we know if we are playing a shark? when anyone could play a sharks line up . How do we know if the people we are playing aren’t using sharks line ups instead of there own? Cuz of there famous names? Do you not see the no star begginers winning the gpps ?

  • tomac

    Work harder?

    Average Joe goes to his 9-5, comes home and depending on his family situation, has anywhere from 15-75 minutes to prep his lineup.
    Joe Pro DFS’es for a living, and most likely has about 6x more research/prep time to build his lineups.

    Yes, this is business, and yes Joe Pro is not restricted by the sites from getting all of Average Joe’s action. But if Average Joe doesn’t have an environment to compete on a regular basis against other Average Joes, eventually all that will be left is Joe Pros.

    Both Joes are needed in order for DFS to continue.

    Work harder and get better are simple minded responses that really do nothing to forward this conversation.

  • Cpjttogether

    Tomac has a good point. Rather your optimistic or pessimistic I guess the truth is this stuff is hard to fix or it would be fixed already

  • travs424

    I like when i see a player with a stat provider as their picture. esp when I am ahead of them, I think not only are they paying to join the league they paid for the stats and projected lineup and I just passed them.

    feels better then just winning, it is like a bonus win.

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    @Jvanspro said...

    Sorry Cal, I can’t agree. All Matt did was dance around and nothing positive came from the interview. We’ve been down this road before. I think we just need to realize that the sites could care less about what players think as long as they keep getting rake.

    Jvans, listen to the Kalish interview at the 29 minute mark. In my response to JCB I’m narrowing down what I refer to as positive specifically to this section on low stakes games and player ecosystem.

    Start listening at the 29 minute mark here: https://rotogrinders.com/podcasts/interview-with-draftkings-co-founder-matt-kalish-1911835

    Dan asks specifically about guys playing in $10,000 H2Hs also playing in $1 H2Hs. Kalish responds that the amount of posts about it has made him aware that it is an real issue and that his team is going to take some form of action on it before NFL season. He’s never said that before – before this interview there was no confirmation that DK was going to do anything to address that issue. Now they are publicly saying they will. Anyone who wants sharks to stay out of the shallow end should be very happy to hear that.

    I can understand if someone says they’d like more clarity. There are still plenty of issues I’d like to have more clarity on. But to say nothing at all positive came out of the interview is just too negative imo.

  • BmoreClutch

    @Cal said...

    Jvans, listen to the Kalish interview at the 29 minute mark. In my response to JCB I’m narrowing down what I refer to as positive specifically to this section on low stakes games and player ecosystem.

    Start listening at the 29 minute mark here: https://rotogrinders.com/podcasts/interview-with-draftkings-co-founder-matt-kalish-1911835

    Dan asks specifically about guys playing in $10,000 H2Hs also playing in $1 H2Hs. Kalish responds that the amount of posts about it has made him aware that it is an real issue and that his team is going to take some form of action on it before NFL season. He’s never said that before – before this interview there was no confirmation that DK was going to do anything to address that issue. Now they are publicly saying they will. Anyone who wants sharks to stay out of the shallow end should be very happy to hear that.

    I can understand if someone says they’d like more clarity. There are still plenty of issues I’d like to have more clarity on. But to say nothing at all positive came out of the interview is just too negative imo.

    Sharks in the shallow end has been happening for years. How did Kalish/DK just became aware that it’s a real issue? And if they didn’t just become aware, why was nothing done sooner?

    This is why people have an issue with the interview. It just brought up more questions.

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    @BmoreClutch said...

    This is why people have an issue with the interview. It just brought up more questions.

    Again, I’m not saying all questions are answered or that everything is now clear. But we now have an answer to the question “Is DraftKings planning to take actions to address sharks swimming in the shallow end?” Movement in that direction is a positive for many in this community, including me.

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