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  • SelfCharmer

    With the EPL return around the corner, I am going to start another Soccer blog (focused mainly on EPL/UCL/UEL as those are the slates I play the most) and was wondering what types of content people would like to see.

    I previously did a very informal sort of Bankroll challenge blog starting with $100 and although people enjoy reading these, they very rarely help get people interested in DFS Soccer and don’t really achieve anything other than acting as a sort of diary.

    Some ideas about it I have had are:

    Blogs coming out Before the Gameweek with my thoughts on the upcoming games and anything of particular interest in this wekeends slate/footballing world (don’t expect this to just be player picks and me listing who the studs are though as that won’t happen)

    Blogs after the Gameweek reviewing simply the matches and anything we can take from the results (on a team basis and player basis) – think stats reviews and any patterns in play occurring etc.
    Most likely at this point

    A Break down After the gameweek of 1 of my Lineups (Cash or GPP) and going through some of the decisions I made when selecting the LU. – This one takes a bit more time on my part as I would have to essentially write the article before the GW and then assess it after – also if I do not play the Gameweek then there would be no article…

    A break down after the gameweek looking at the Lineups used by the “Sharks” and trying to dissect their thoughts and explain why they rostered certain players. – I am unsure on this one as although the information is there for anyone to look at, I do not feel amazing about trying to publicly discuss other people’s LUs which could then theoretically reduce their future EV (Not saying I would be able completely explain players LUs but it is something I am mindful of)

    A Mixture of all of the above is what I would most likely do if no one has any other suggestions but I am open to all offers…

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    I think either of the last two options are the most valuable. To me, I wish there was more of this throughout every DFS sport. Too much focus on picks BEFORE the game slate locks (everyone just wants picks I guess) but not enough focus on retrospective analysis on the thoughts behind putting a lineup together, what worked and what did not work and why.

    To me the retrospective analysis is more of a teaching tool for new players and a lot more interesting. Sometimes the process may be a good one but the results just do not work out due to variance.

    Also, I think a lot of the “sharks” you speak of are pretty active either here or on Twitter. You could probably pretty easily ask them beforehand if they mind if you break down their lineup for a blog. I suspect most, if not all, would be pretty receptive. You also could pick 1 or 2 different people every week.

  • SelfCharmer

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    Also, I think a lot of the “sharks” you speak of are pretty active either here or on Twitter. You could probably pretty easily ask them beforehand if they mind if you break down their lineup for a blog.

    Yeah I speak to a fair few of them on Twitter. Obviously though the blog wouldn’t even necessarily be accurate as it would be my views on their approach and is possible I miss interpret what they are trying to achieve with their process. Also I think this only really works for Cash LUs – GPP is just too many factors as they would play multiple LUs etc.

    I think therefore maybe the best approach would be analysing one of my LUs and my approach after the GameWeek and if I do not play I could just analyse someone else’s LU.

    The only problem is Cash games in soccer are getting super tough and a lot of the winning players end up with near identical LUs so would be pretty boring…

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    Right. GPP you would almost have to look at all their lineups/exposure as a whole to sort of analyze the strategy behind it.

    I do not play cash games for that reason. I’ve always been a GPP player in general but now that college football and college basketball are gone, soccer might be my best DFS sport. But I still don’t play cash games because cash game plays are typically too obvious with a lot of overlap.

  • SelfCharmer

    Also, the aim of the blog would not really be focused on your interest, am trying to aim it at players who have never played soccer or are trying to get into it or dabble a little at the smallest stakes etc

  • KindGuy

    I would love to see a recap of the top players lineups.

    Also, you could avoid the multiple lineup issue by looking at the lineups from the highest entry fee GPP since those are usually single entry. Would be nice to see how players construct lineups when the stakes get really high.

  • SelfCharmer

    @elementasrat said...

    I would love to see a recap of the top players lineups.

    Also, you could avoid the multiple lineup issue by looking at the lineups from the highest entry fee GPP since those are usually single entry. Would be nice to see how players construct lineups when the stakes get really high.

    Except these lineups wouldn’t be their true GPP LUs. These would be lineups catered for top heavy 10-20 player contests which are not going to help the smaller stakes player

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @SelfCharmer said...

    Also, the aim of the blog would not really be focused on your interest, am trying to aim it at players who have never played soccer or are trying to get into it or dabble a little at the smallest stakes etc

    Understood but unfortunately players who have never played soccer before who might give it a shot are most likely looking for top plays/picks

  • SelfCharmer

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    Understood but unfortunately players who have never played soccer before who might give it a shot are most likely looking for top plays/picks

    There lies the challenge!

    At the moment most likely a mash up of all of the above but thanks for suggestions guys. Any more gladly accepted…

  • Tugglife2

    All of that sounds great. I’m a big soccer fan and finally plan on diving into soccer DFS this season.

  • SelfCharmer

    @Tugglife2 said...

    All of that sounds great. I’m a big soccer fan and finally plan on diving into soccer DFS this season.

  • yousif

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    @Stewburtx8 said...

    I think either of the last two options are the most valuable. To me, I wish there was more of this throughout every DFS sport. Too much focus on picks BEFORE the game slate locks (everyone just wants picks I guess) but not enough focus on retrospective analysis on the thoughts behind putting a lineup together, what worked and what did not work and why.

    To me the retrospective analysis is more of a teaching tool for new players and a lot more interesting. Sometimes the process may be a good one but the results just do not work out due to variance.

    Also, I think a lot of the “sharks” you speak of are pretty active either here or on Twitter. You could probably pretty easily ask them beforehand if they mind if you break down their lineup for a blog. I suspect most, if not all, would be pretty receptive. You also could pick 1 or 2 different people every week.

    Agreed – retrospective analysis in soccer would be super valuable. A lot of people can make guesses before hand based on stats but would be great to hear someone actually go back & understand why certain players performed better than others

  • ATL_Gunner

    Short of analyzing exact lineups, what I think might be interesting is looking at some of the higher scoring plays from each position from the previous weekend and trying to analyze whether they are trends that can be exploited, or they are “one week wonders” so to speak. IE: if 4 weeks in a row the highest scoring midfielder is the one playing against Newcastle – maybe that’s something to consider going in to this week.

    I think DFS soccer in general tends to have a lot of recency bias, especially around goals, and a retrospective analysis with a peek towards next week might be interesting.

    If there’s interest in this – I would actually be willing to take this on a bit myself. But I do think that retrospective analysis is dead on the way to go. There’s a lot of content about picks looking ahead to slates. But I don’t think there’s much to help people figure out WHY they should play someone.

  • SelfCharmer

    @ATL_Gunner said...

    Short of analyzing exact lineups, what I think might be interesting is looking at some of the higher scoring plays from each position from the previous weekend and trying to analyze whether they are trends that can be exploited, or they are “one week wonders” so to speak. IE: if 4 weeks in a row the highest scoring midfielder is the one playing against Newcastle – maybe that’s something to consider going in to this week.

    I think DFS soccer in general tends to have a lot of recency bias, especially around goals, and a retrospective analysis with a peek towards next week might be interesting.

    If there’s interest in this – I would actually be willing to take this on a bit myself. But I do think that retrospective analysis is dead on the way to go. There’s a lot of content about picks looking ahead to slates. But I don’t think there’s much to help people figure out WHY they should play someone.

    Yeah I think Retrospective game analysis is actually much more helpful to new players than simply analysing the top players LUs (they just might not realise it)

    It is much better if someone is picking out trends by certain teams and how this is reflected in scoring, so players could look for future instances where these circumstances happen again and how this should effect their roster construction.

    At the moment the route I am leaning towards is analysing the key factors in certain games and how this affected scoring and if this a trend that could continue or just a one week phenomenon. Then ending with a look at one of my LUs and what what went well/what went bad so people can get a small insight into the thoughts behind LU construction and whether there was any statistical reasoning behind its success or failure.

  • SelfCharmer

    So it looks like Rotowire are going to be doing a Podcast after the weekends games analysing Lineups in some form (maybe a cash LU or winning GPP Lu) so I do not really see the point of doing a blog post every week essentially doing the same thing…

    Very happy that more content will be coming out for soccer, especially as I think they do a great job on that pod and look forward to listening to their reviews, however I do think it would be a bit pointless to do the same thing so back to the drawing board on that one…

  • sirrobert6

    • Blogger of the Month

    Just did the first post of the year, everyone is obviously free to get involved.
    I want to stress my self awareness of knowing my faults, I’m no pro nor claim to be. This is something I happen to care passionately about, so have no issue sharing my love for it.
    I will update it with a link when it clears review.

    EDIT:
    https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/dk-epl-week-1-the-diamond-standard-2009650

  • ATL_Gunner

    I wrote one that’s more a macro look back on 2016-17, and trying to apply it towards this year. Feel free to take a look, and let me know what you like/don’t like.

    https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/finding-bunches-of-goals-in-the-epl-2012164

  • milanman21

    I’m not much for overindulging on blogs and I don’t particularly go with player recommendations. I’ve been involved with the sport as either a player, coach, or (now hosting a podcast) for 37 years so a lot of my lineup builds are based on eye test. It helps to know the set piece takers and things of the like, but if I think a team defends center forwards well for example I’ll fade the center forward in that match.

    Aside from that my cash lineups have a lot of high volume crossers/ peripheral stat-getters with a heavy goal scoring favorite. GPPs I’ll take have more goal scoring threats and not as many peripheral guys.

  • joerapjr

    To all the soccer bloggers here on RotoGrinders — you guys have been crushing it this year. Keep it up, people are loving your content!

  • feartheturtle

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    Hi sirrobert6, do you play head to head on DraftKings? I am don’t know as much about soccer as you, but I would certainly like to test myself out against you. If you want to play (any stakes is fine with me), please send an invite to feartheturtle7 on DK. Hope to see you keep up the blog during the season. Thanks!

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @feartheturtle said...

    Hi sirrobert6, do you play head to head on DraftKings? I am don’t know as much about soccer as you, but I would certainly like to test myself out against you. If you want to play (any stakes is fine with me), please send an invite to feartheturtle7 on DK. Hope to see you keep up the blog during the season. Thanks!

    LOL really?

  • FightingLikeBeavers

    Hi everyone, I have also started a soccer blog and just finished a huge preview for the DK main slate! Check out my twitter @tom_whelan for details!
    GL this weekend

  • MHDU2424

    I think a breakdown looking at the top GPP lineups of the week and how they got there would be cool

    Also, maybe breakdown a few of the plays that were lower owned but used a lot by the sharks. For example, when lineups were released we saw a defender in a solid matchup was unexpectedly playing as a winger and should have been an “easy” plug and play at only 3800…..but ended up only being 12% owned by mainly sharks. I feel like this type of breakdown would be helpful for soccer dfs players moving forward

    I think the chalk plays generally speak for themselves in EPL unless you’re a brand new player

  • FightingLikeBeavers

    @MHDU2424 said...

    I think a breakdown looking at the top GPP lineups of the week and how they got there would be cool

    Also, maybe breakdown a few of the plays that were lower owned but used a lot by the sharks. For example, when lineups were released we saw a defender in a solid matchup was unexpectedly playing as a winger and should have been an “easy” plug and play at only 3800…..but ended up only being 12% owned by mainly sharks. I feel like this type of breakdown would be helpful for soccer dfs players moving forward

    I think the chalk plays generally speak for themselves in EPL unless you’re a brand new player

    This is exactly how I approached my article this week so it’s great to hear that someone else thinks it’s a good idea!

    Would love to see more content like this though! SelfCharmer, I think you should give it a go too. Don’t be put off by the fact that others like Rotowire are doing similar things. Just do it better than them! :D

  • SelfCharmer

    @FightingLikeBeavers said...

    SelfCharmer, I think you should give it a go too. Don’t be put off by the fact that others like Rotowire are doing similar things. Just do it better than them! :D

    Aha I am not put off by that but unfortunately been really busy with work and family the last few weeks so my time for playing is much smaller, let alone writing.

    Will most likely be posting a lot more in 2/3 weeks though!

  • FightingLikeBeavers

    @SelfCharmer said...

    Aha I am not put off by that but unfortunately been really busy with work and family the last few weeks so my time for playing is much smaller, let alone writing.

    Will most likely be posting a lot more in 2/3 weeks though!

    Ha fair enough, it’s always a bit hectic at the start of the season anyway without work/family stuff.

    Will keep an eye out for it anyway!

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