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  • biglucky

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      2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    I’ve been wondering how the site stakekings.com is getting around DK’s terms of use policy. After quickly reviewing DK’s terms of use how is DK allowing this? The part I am referring specifically is this

    “In addition, conduct that would be deemed improper also includes, but is not limited to:”

    “Using a single Account to participate in a Contest on behalf of multiple entrants or otherwise collaborating with others to participate in any Contest;”

    Unless I am clearly missing something the sites main selling point is directly in conflict with DK’s terms of use.

    Would anyone care to explain to me how and why this is allowed to gone on out in the public(i imagine it has been going on since the beginning of DFS)

  • dwc1421

    @biglucky said...

    “Using a single Account to participate in a Contest on behalf of multiple entrants or otherwise collaborating with others to participate in any Contest;”

    I’m pretty sure this refers to two or more users collaborating to obtain an edge. Example user 1 runs 150 lu’s in a Gpp & user 2 runs 150 different lu’s in the same Gpp but splitting the profits

  • 2Slik

    Don’t expect ethics to trump profitability. DK’s terms of use policy is just a statement meant to make you feel good. Stakekings also conflict’s with RG’s mission statement but who cares, right? Until staking proves to become a hindrance to site profitability (if it doesn’t eat itself with the rake, fees, and diminishing returns first) it’s here to stay. Be aware of what you’re up against and ultimately let your results and personal enjoyment determine if it’s worth continuing in DFS.

  • bhdevault

    • Lead Moderator

    • Blogger of the Month

    @2Slik said...

    Stakekings also conflict’s with RG’s mission statement but who cares, right?

    RG has a mission statement? News to me!

  • jstevens2k11

    @bhdevault said...

    RG has a mission statement? News to me!

    how many DK crowns can you get from this mission? asking for a friend..

  • 2Slik

    @bhdevault said...

    RG has a mission statement? News to me!

    Really???, FYI it can be seen in the footer of every webpage:

    RotoGrinders.com is the home of the daily fantasy sports community. Our content, rankings, member blogs, promotions and forum discussion all cater to the players that like to create a new fantasy team every day of the week. Our goal is to help all of our members make more money playing daily fantasy sports!

  • Trappist1

    What is the difference between Syndicate play which is against the rules of DK and Skate Kings ? Skate Kings is syndicate play in all but name. Guessing DFS has reached a peak and people are trying to squeeze the last penny out of it while they can. Pathetic really and what next ?

  • biglucky

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      2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    I don’t think it means what you said since they also have this specifically written in the terms of use

    “Colluding with any other individual(s) or engaging in any type of syndicate play;”

    To me this refers to what you are stating. Not sure what draftkings is thinking here, moreover is it worth high ranking players to risk their ability to play on draftkings to get “staked”

    Is it just a know thing that DK has no integrity whatsoever because I missed that article if so. If that’s not the case I’m really wondering……

  • biglucky

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      2016 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    I just had a quick glance at the regulations put in place by massachusetts and it seems they might be breaking one of the states terms to operation by allowing this. I could be reading or understanding this wrong but it clearly states

    (5) No Proxy Players: DFSOs shall take commercially and technologically reasonable
    measures to prevent one DFS player from acting as a proxy for another. Such measures
    shall include, without limitation, use of geolocation technologies to prevent simultaneous
    logins to a single account from geographically inconsistent locations.

    If 10 people are staking 1 guy to play for them is that not exactly what a proxy player would do? Just curious…

    Gambling by Proxy Explained
    In its simplest sense, gambling by proxy is a way for gamblers to play at real casino venues without having to attend the venue themselves. They get an intermediary or ‘proxy’ to take their money to the table and make the wager for them. The player gets the profit from a winning bet, minus the proxy’s commission, or they pay a small fee for the service if their bet loses.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    I read it the same as you.
    I’m not surprised either, it’s pretty much modus operandi at this point. It’s also stupid. I’m not even sure StakeKings is a big issue, but like many past examples, it becomes a talking point and issue and likely seems more nefarious then it is because these companies handle situations poorly. It makes it seem like there’s a lack of transparency that reinforces the “it’s unfair and odds stacked against me” mindset.

    It’s also why we can’t have nice things…people complain about government intervention and regulation, but it’s the companies that put themselves in that position when they can’t self regulate. And again, I don’t even know if SK’s is a real issue and I doubt DK is doing anything shady with them…it’s just a complete lack of common sense, oversight and enforcement, etc.

    As for Rotogrinders, “stake better lineups”.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    I read it the same as you.
    I’m not surprised either, it’s pretty much modus operandi at this point. It’s also stupid. I’m not even sure StakeKings is a big issue, but like many past examples, it becomes a talking point and issue and likely seems more nefarious then it is because these companies handle situations poorly. It makes it seem like there’s a lack of transparency that reinforces the “it’s unfair and odds stacked against me” mindset.

    It’s also why we can’t have nice things…people complain about government intervention and regulation, but it’s the companies that put themselves in that position when they can’t self regulate. And again, I don’t even know if SK’s is a real issue and I doubt DK is doing anything shady with them…it’s just a complete lack of common sense, oversight and enforcement, etc.

    As for Rotogrinders, “stake better lineups”.

    it doesnt help that DFS players complain about every single little thing in the industry.

  • flip4flop

    @jstevens2k11 said...

    how many DK crowns can you get from this mission? asking for a friend..

    sorry you only get XP

  • Trappist1

    Think it is the right of every DFS player to make sure the games they paying and playing are legit & with game integrity. What do you expect ? DFS players to keep quiet about insane rakes, syndicate play & collusion and overall questions about game integrity. I do not consider it complaining, it is the customers right to speak about what they feel is wrong and should be improved. At the end of the day, without game integrity DFS is done and dusted. The platforms are churning customers at a big number and doubt new players are coming in droves to sign up and deposit to play. Do you know what sports books will do if they catch you with syndicate play ? They will ban you outright and while in DFS they turn a blind eye.

  • dolphinkick182

    What is the difference between a group of people paying a guy for a stake of his LU, or a group of people paying a guy to DM you his LU so you can play it yourself? In both instances, you are paying a guy for a stake in his LU. BOTH instances, his not yours. As I said when RG first launched the partnership, they are one in the same. IF you don’t think so, please explain the difference to me.

  • dolphinkick182

    @bhdevault said...

    RG has a mission statement? News to me!

    ouch

  • dolphinkick182

    @Trappist1 said...

    Do you know what sports books will do if they catch you with syndicate play ?

    “Charlie, they took my thumb, look at it Charlie, they took my thumb!”

    Would have been a perfect spot for a Pope of Greenwich Village GIF here but damned if I could find one.

  • bhdevault

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    • Blogger of the Month

    @dolphinkick182 said...

    What is the difference between a group of people paying a guy for a stake of his LU, or a group of people paying a guy to DM you his LU so you can play it yourself? In both instances, you are paying a guy for a stake in his LU. BOTH instances, his not yours. As I said when RG first launched the partnership, they are one in the same. IF you don’t think so, please explain the difference to me.

    While I don’t use Stake Kings, it’s a HUGE difference. You are only facing that said lineup once. Lineup sellers you are facing the same lineup multiple times, heck sometimes up to 15% of a double up is the same lineup seller.

  • XxHeisenbergxX

    Here is my opinion on Stake Kings…this is something that has been going on in all forms of gambling since the beginning of time…players get staked in poker tourneys, syndicates shoot for giant pick 6 pools, and since DFS has started people with large bankrolls have staked players. Somewhere along the line someone went BUST or a group went BUST and these high stakes high volume players are tapped out and so are their backers or their backers have just shut them down. So now they create a website hoping to grab naive players and say HEY want to win BIG???? This site is formed cause they NEED you not because they are generous and want to share the wealth. There is a poker website that does the exact same thing I cannot think of it off the top of my head but it has been around for years where you can stake a whale or something like that. If you look around the poker industry there are so many high stakes players with so much owed debt they have no where else to turn.

    With so many poker players also playing DFS I would not be surprised if this website was created along those same lines as the poker staking website.

    My opinion this is a website to get funds to gamble without having to pay it back.

  • depalma13

    The site has never shown they have a way of blocking people who live in states where DFS is illegal, do you really think they care about terms of service?

  • Lathum

    @TnRiddles said...

    it doesnt help that DFS players complain about every single little thing in the industry.

    This made me laugh. It is so true. If some of the people around here dedicated half the energy to building lineups that they do to worrying about everything else they would probably build better lineups.

  • bigez952

    @bhdevault said...

    While I don’t use Stake Kings, it’s a HUGE difference. You are only facing that said lineup once. Lineup sellers you are facing the same lineup multiple times, heck sometimes up to 15% of a double up is the same lineup seller.

    I 100% agree with this statement. I also don’t use Stakekings and never will but I wish more people would go this route and more focus was put on lineup sellers. I love DFS but it is getting really hard to play when 10-30% of single entry double ups are the same lineup everynight so if you lose to that lineup your night is over. Last night in the MLB $25 single entry double up I put up nearly 150 points and just missed the cash line since it only paid top 400 and 100 of the pay slots were taken up by the same lineup on a 14 game slate with a lot of different options to go. I know it goes both ways and if you beat this daily lineup train cashing is very easy but it does kind of ruin the spirt of the single entry game when 50-100 people every single day play the same lineup so you know they are either buying the lineup or just pushing optimize from some website and putting that lineup in with 0-effort.

  • dolphinkick182

    @bhdevault said...

    While I don’t use Stake Kings, it’s a HUGE difference. You are only facing that said lineup once. Lineup sellers you are facing the same lineup multiple times, heck sometimes up to 15% of a double up is the same lineup seller.

    I get that, but what I was referring to was the act of doing it in terms of TOS.

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