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  • 147star

    Hi, I apologise if this is a taboo subject or if there is a separate section for this sort of thing on the forum but I am an active DK player who would be very interested in receiving staking for DK contests. I am from the UK which has the added bonus of being tax free so my potential profits have significant upside. I would be happy to give away a decent chunk of my winnings for the possibility of pursuing DK as a more serious venture.

    I currently play poker as a profession and due to bankroll requirements on there I am not in a position to be able to deposit a bankroll big enough to enter enough line ups to play DK optimally. Many, many times I have had a strong core line up and one guy has let me down. I’m sure this happens to everybody but I consistently make the correct selections to base my team around but entering only 10 or so line ups I am not able to crack the correct combination. I am aware that my current approach is not optimal and I would have the time and the motivation to enter max line ups every night and I’m confident that I would be a winning prospect with huge upside. I won’t claim I am perfect and adapting to injury updates and reacting quickly enough to produce optimal line ups based on these updates is something that I have not yet mastered but I’m sure with some guidance and software advice I could improve greatly on that too.

    I have played poker as a profession for the last 8 years under the moniker 147_star with a fair amount of success but I discovered DK a year or so ago and I find it extremely refreshing and interesting. My current speciality is NBA but I am a very quick learner and I would be able to adjust to all sports depending on the time of the year. I was able to get to grips with and learn the NFL from scratch (I literally didn’t know more than 4 guys at the start of the season) to end up having a reasonable campaign where I played every week and consistently had profitable line ups with a few sweats at big scores.

    As for my NBA credentials, I have played DK almost every night this season and the second half of last season (which involves tons of research) and the nights I have missed I have kept in touch with the scores so I don’t miss a sleeper in the next round of fixtures. I will take this professional approach with all sports that I am entrusted to play. I know the rosters and the strengths and weaknesses of each team and I watch a lot of NBA so I am also able to use my own assessments to corroborate with the numbers and the various DvP stats. I will also vow to never ever roster Mbah a Moute!!

    If this is the sort of thing that may garner some interest, I would be happy to discuss strategies or my approach with you to demonstrate my knowledge. I am well trusted within the poker community and my trustworthiness can be vouched for within the poker world. Please contact me if you would like to discuss this further and I hope that one of the big sharks out there sees this and fancies making some money with me.

    Cheers, 147star.

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  • KindGuy

    Haha good luck man. Staking in DFS is very rare. I’ve tried offering my services but no one ever seems interested so I stopped and focused on my own money and bankroll. Good luck.

  • Bigo1

    Main issue is you have no history in your profile

  • rainbowtroutman

    No offense meant but your ranking might have something to do with that elementastat

  • KindGuy

    @rainbowtroutman said...

    No offense meant but your ranking might have something to do with that elementastat

    Except I haven’t asked here…..

  • 147star

    I tried to link my account to my DK name but I’m not sure if that has happened. Without any large scores though my results would show a lot of consistency but not earth-shattering scores. I profit on the majority of nights but obviously without a significant win when I brick a night it hits me a lot harder than the nights of cashing for small gains.

    I think my main way of demonstrating my knowledge would be through a chat on Skype to discuss my thought processes and to construct some line ups. I also have my poker results available to view on tracking websites and my results there should also lend credence to my DK ability as there are a lot of transferable skills between the two disciplines.

    I appreciate the replies. If anybody is interested further I can give my Skype details.

  • Messiah717

    @147star said...

    I tried to link my account to my DK name but I’m not sure if that has happened. Without any large scores though my results would show a lot of consistency but not earth-shattering scores. I profit on the majority of nights but obviously without a significant win when I brick a night it hits me a lot harder than the nights of cashing for small gains.

    I think my main way of demonstrating my knowledge would be through a chat on Skype to discuss my thought processes and to construct some line ups. I also have my poker results available to view on tracking websites and my results there should also lend credence to my DK ability as there are a lot of transferable skills between the two disciplines.

    I appreciate the replies. If anybody is interested further I can give my Skype details.

    It’s not going to show any previous activity as soon as you link your name. The only way they can track your results is by you linking your name. They cannot go back and track results from contests you played before that. It will only start showing your results in contests you play moving forward.

  • SelfCharmer

    @Bigo1 said...

    Main issue is you have no history in your profile

    THIS

  • SelfCharmer

    I think the only way you get any interest is being active in the community, have stats to back up your “results” (maybe use a tracker and post graphs etc)

    GL

  • sgaffney

    As people have pointed, the lack of results history makes it hard for anybody to buy in. I would imagine you’re gonna need at least a few months of success but if you are serious why don’t you just do a short daily blog. Describe your picks for that night and post your score the next day with a breakdown of where you finished. If you are winning consistently, people will take notice.

  • fsunole64

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    Really no need for staking in DFS. Poker is completely different where you can only play so many tables at once so being able to multiply that works for staking. In poker since time is a key factor. In DFS I can easily enter every single contest for the day up to the entry limits in a matter of 2 minutes which really reduces the reason to stake someone. If a player is a good DFS player he can very quickly grind a small bank roll up less limiting the need for staking.

  • wolfjb1

    Agreed. It just doesn’t make much sense. If I stake a guy, is he gonna start playing in the $10K doubleups and $1500 GPPs? I mean if the player is really all that good, just start grinding the sh_t out of cash games and the big GPPs and he’ll have a bankroll in no time!

  • SelfCharmer

    Agree you should just grind it up if you are actually a winning player, with a sport like NBA where you have opportunity for profit so many times a week, focus on that, not on getting staked.

  • KindGuy

    @147star said...

    I hope that one of the big sharks out there sees this and fancies making some money with me.

    Kinda contradicting yourself here

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @fsunole64 said...

    If a player is a good DFS player he can very quickly grind a small bank roll up less limiting the need for staking.

    +1

    ^An exception would be someone who isn’t particularly risk tolerant. For example, a player may be successfully grinding mid to low stakes, but isn’t comfortable dabbling with 1k+ leagues.

  • Roma315

    Poker staking vs DFS is two different beasts. Just build a bankroll and you won’t need a backer.

  • therayray81

    • 2011 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • 2012 DraftStreet DSFC Finalist

    Can I have some money too?

  • 147star

    All good stuff here, I appreciate the feedback. My main issue was / is solely grinding GPP’s and the fact that in these the EV is increased by producing more line ups. GPP’s are so top heavy that entering 10 or even 20 line ups seems to be a losing strategy due to the extremely top heavy nature of the payouts. As a result, I think I will play some more cash as that could be a good way to regularly profit to cover the variance of tournaments. I did initially adopt this strategy but I was really demoralised to see so many shared line ups in DON’s etc that I stuck to GPP’s.

    I guess my thought process was that if 150 line ups was the optimal strategy then having 150 + half of another 150 would be an even more optimal strategy but perhaps there is a saturation point where the EV is reduced based on more entries.

    It didn’t help that when I deposited and did max line ups after profiting for a few hundred the first night I lost almost all of that back due to the moisture on the court in Philadelphia v the Kings!! Guess I’ll bite the bullet and take another shot and then hopefully I’ll be going live with my own DK staking soon. Ty for the replies.

  • WCHprime

    GPP’s are so top heavy that entering 10 or even 20 line ups seems to be a losing strategy due to the extremely top heavy nature of the payouts

    - Just play the 3 max tournaments if this is really what you think. Its not about how many lineups you make, its about the quality of them. If indeed what you say is true is about a core group of players hitting and 1 guy is missing, you can simply max enter the $1,$2 or even $0.25 to grind up a roll onto the $4, $27 etc…

    It didn’t help that when I deposited and did max line ups after profiting for a few hundred the first night I lost almost all of that back due to the moisture on the court in Philadelphia v the Kings!!

    - How do you expect people to trust you with their money when the day you have the most money on the line you put it on the Philly vs Kings game. Lots of news outlet saying that game wasn’t going to be played.

  • Heterodox

    @WCHprime said...

    - Just play the 3 max tournaments if this is really what you think. Its not about how many lineups you make, its about the quality of them. If indeed what you say is true is about a core group of players hitting and 1 guy is missing, you can simply max enter the $1,$2 or even $0.25 to grind up a roll onto the $4, $27 etc…

    It didn’t help that when I deposited and did max line ups after profiting for a few hundred the first night I lost almost all of that back due to the moisture on the court in Philadelphia v the Kings!!

    – How do you expect people to trust you with their money when the day you have the most money on the line you put it on the Philly vs Kings game. Lots of news outlet saying that game wasn’t going to be played.

    The second part is a fair point, but I take issue with the first statement. The field sizes in the 3-max contests aren’t generally small enough for you to avoid the anomalies. People get mass entry wrong. They think it’s a way to overpower smaller-time players, or “cover all your bases”, which is just a silly thought. It’s actually a concession to the reality of field size. The fact that no one else can have more lineups than you makes no difference. The more players in the contest, the more likely it is that someone will have the scrub/backup/sleeper/overpriced stud in a bad match up who you thought would be smart to fade but who inexplicably goes off. The more people you’re competing against, the more you have to account for this. I think the limited entry contests are one of the biggest bills of goods casual players have ever been sold. Most of those players won’t be around long enough to realize whatever positive expectation they have, and if they are the grind will be brutal, (just glance at the tilt and general misery in the daily threads on any given night) while the pros will still gobble up most of the prize pools. But, I mean, if it makes the people who don’t really care about their long-term expectation feel better about the competitive balance, then fine, but that’s more about their perception than the reality of the situation.

    I’d certainly take backing if it meant I could max enter the big $3/$4 contests every night, and I’m someone who’s done decently in them with limited entries. I still found it so frustrating that I switched to max entering the QA, which is a trade-off, because my best nights in that are worth a couple hundred dollars, as opposed to a couple thousand. And 50 lineups isn’t even really enough to account for the size of those fields. 150 isn’t enough either, but more is still better. Of course, I could also get backing from people I trust, who trust me, who won’t break my balls too much if things go badly, but that speaks to the second point I quoted. Taking someone else’s money requires a different level of accountability and obligation. It’s harder to brush off those mistakes.

  • Garrincha67

    @Heterodox said...

    The second part is a fair point, but I take issue with the first statement. The field sizes in the 3-max contests aren’t generally small enough for you to avoid the anomalies. People get mass entry wrong. They think it’s a way to overpower smaller-time players, or “cover all your bases”, which is just a silly thought. It’s actually a concession to the reality of field size. The fact that no one else can have more lineups than you makes no difference. The more players in the contest, the more likely it is that someone will have the scrub/backup/sleeper/overpriced stud in a bad match up who you thought would be smart to fade but who inexplicably goes off. The more people you’re competing against, the more you have to account for this. I think the limited entry contests are one of the biggest bills of goods casual players have ever been sold. Most of those players won’t be around long enough to realize whatever positive expectation they have, and if they are the grind will be brutal, (just glance at the tilt and general misery in the daily threads on any given night) while the pros will still gobble up most of the prize pools. But, I mean, if it makes the people who don’t really care about their long-term expectation feel better about the competitive balance, then fine, but that’s more about their perception than the reality of the situation.

    I’d certainly take backing if it meant I could max enter the big $3/$4 contests every night, and I’m someone who’s done decently in them with limited entries. I still found it so frustrating that I switched to max entering the QA, which is a trade-off, because my best nights in that are worth a couple hundred dollars, as opposed to a couple thousand. And 50 lineups isn’t even really enough to account for the size of those fields. 150 isn’t enough either, but more is still better. Of course, I could also get backing from people I trust, who trust me, who won’t break my balls too much if things go badly, but that speaks to the second point I quoted. Taking someone else’s money requires a different level of accountability and obligation. It’s harder to brush off those mistakes.

    Of course be it single entry, three max entry or 150 entry there will be countless combinations in these contests. But that is beside the point, contest selection is key!!! I still rather play single entry contest then followed by three max then a once in a while punt in a very large size multi-entry contest. The tilt and overall frustration you see in a lot of threads is players lacking utter discipline in all aspects be it contest selection/bankroll management. The advice by WCHprime is sound and rather to do that than staking.

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