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  • mambaland

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2018/02/14/former-investment-darlings-draftkings-and-fanduel-are-struggling-to-grow/#575f34b6269e

  • bozzburg

    As a once semi-pro horse racing handicapper, betting on horses is much different than DFS.

    Sure, handle has dropped significantly over the years. I would any day chose to play ponies than DFS.

    I was laid off and invested about 9 months into DFS and was NEVER able to get into a + ROI. I sincerely believe there is a TON of insider info involved in DFS. All it takes is for ownership %‘s to be released(as happened before) and POOF the average player has no shot.

    It is extremely disheartening. I enjoy what DFS is but, I think that the name has tarnished since some of the shenanigans have been made public.

    I just don’t trust the odds or the operators anymore after my experience. DFS has risen with the sharks and will come to its demise with sharks.

  • RangerC

    @Bigo1 said...

    DK: they tried. Spent quite a lot of money on sponsorships (they are still with Liverpool) and had a team of close to 10 ppl to promote the game in Europe/UK. They let go most of them

    The rake is really high, people think they have no chance at winning, and it is very time consuming.
    Still should be bigger as a niche market

    Sort of. They did the same idiocy that they are always guilty of – spending millions on advertising (I saw their ads on Anfield sideboards a couple of times) but weren’t willing to take even the slightest chance of overlaying. Their EPL games are usually full with up to 1 hour to go before the game and used to fill at up to 10K players in the largest tournament ($3/$4) for a good main slate. They had some tiny overlay a couple of times when the main slate was horrible (all bottom teams) and then permalocked their tourney sizes at the current point (they don’t seem to understand how to size things based on the quality of the slate, ever).

    The exact same thing happened with EURO golf; we were getting 20K to start at Wentworth (filled) and 10K in horrible fields; they shrunk the contests EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE FILLING and now we get 5K for a tournament with Rory, Rose, Stenson, etc because they’d rather protect the 3K in rake than try to grow their product organically (and also be 95% to make more rake in the process! It’s baffling.)

  • depalma13

    @bozzburg said...

    All it takes is for ownership %‘s to be released(as happened before) and POOF the average player has no shot.

    Ownership percentages should always be live. It’s the biggest flaw in DFS. There is no benefit keeping it from the public.

  • bozzburg

    “Ownership percentages should always be live. It’s the biggest flaw in DFS. There is no benefit keeping it from the public.”

    I believe so too @depalma13. This, I think is the Achilles heel of DFS.

    My belief is the only benefit of keeping it from the public is because someone or multiple people are sharing ownership %‘s with people in the know to take GPP’s down. For ME anyhow, this is the BIGGEST issue.

    The other issue IMO is pool payouts. Way too top heavy and not enough to keep a casual player interested.

    This is just a case of MOST businesses where they are so focused on the growth phase of building a company and completely forget about phase 2 of building a company. RETENTION!! It is the biggest thing that gets missed in these big corporations.

  • rausch180

    As comforting as it may be, there are more probable reasons for a lack of success in GPPs than a wide spread conspiracy. The problem with live ownership is similar to late swap in that the best players will gain the most from them at the expense of the worst players. Given you can import teams via csv as well, there’d be nothing stopping you having dummy lineups in until the last 5 mins, then importing the real ones.

  • divusjulius

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    right, but anyone can do that. late swap is an advantage for all players, not just a certain class. i buy my spots in GPP’s in the early afternoon and replace the dummies in the last 60 minutes before first pitch.

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