NHL FORUM

  • monaco712

    Hockey is not the most popular sport but it has a loyal following.
    Hockey DFS is enjoyable but I believe there can be
    some improvements.

    Allow me to throw out some suggestions.

    - Add a second goaltender. It will ad to the strategy. – Give points for time on ice. For example 1 point for every 1 minute
    on the ice. This will make players relevant such as stay at home
    defensemen and penalty killing specialist who would otherwise
    have no fantasy value. – Dynamic pricing is a must especially with goaltenders. There are
    minimal salary differences between top goaltenders and lower
    rung goaltenders which just makes everyone play the chalk.
    -Adjust the salaries to be able to roster more scorers. The way it
    is set up if you draft a couple of top scorers you can only afford
    mediocre players at best to roster which makes for very low scoring
    games. Last year I won a contest 13.10- 12.9 it was like watching
    grass grow.
    Any other suggestions? Season opener October 4th.

  • SteveM

    @pickles said...

    100% agree with this

    Same here. In order for small buyin prize pools to be worth playing, NHL contests NEED the 150-entry guys willing to contribute $600 a day.
    If entries are capped at 20, does anyone actually think those contests will magically attract 7 additional 20-entry players for every former 150-entry player?

    People have argued that entering 150 times to win a $3K top prize isn’t worth it.
    Others have argued that allowing 150 entries gives max-entry guys an unfair advantage.
    It can’t be both.

  • SteveM

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Well problem is that starting goalies are not announced by the time the salaries are made.

    IMO this is a big issue for casual players especially.

    It seems reasonable to treat goalies the same way NFL defenses are treated – you just take the TEAM. You can still base your decisions on who you think the starter will be, but last minute changes, cagey DFS-unfriendly coaches, pregame skate injuries, etc. will no longer be able to torpedo your whole night. When trying to grow the tournaments, it seems like a good idea to remove some of the uncertainty that frustrates those who can’t afford to monitor staring goalies until the last game locks. We WANT people to be able to set their lineups the night before, right?????

  • monaco712

    @SteveM said...

    It seems reasonable to treat goalies the same way NFL defenses are treated – you just take the TEAM. You can still base your decisions on who you think the starter will be, but last minute changes, cagey DFS-unfriendly coaches, pregame skate injuries, etc. will no longer be able to torpedo your whole night. When trying to grow the tournaments, it seems like a good idea to remove some of the uncertainty that frustrates those who can’t afford to monitor staring goalies until the last game locks. We WANT people to be able to set their lineups the night before, right?????

    Love the idea you should send it to DK. Time is running out.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    Why would anyone want to reduce the skill level?? I love that people play goalies that aren’t playing. I love that people play goalies that get pulled in the first and get negatives. Why should that person get the back up who goes in and makes 30 saves after his starter got rocked?

  • monaco712

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Why would anyone want to reduce the skill level?? I love that people play goalies that aren’t playing. I love that people play goalies that get pulled in the first and get negatives. Why should that person get the back up who goes in and makes 30 saves after his starter got rocked?

    If you play a teams defense there would be other parameters to
    get points so the strategy would be increased.
    All people do right now is play the goaltender that are on the
    teams favored by -250. The salaries between goaltenders
    right now are inconsequential there is no reason to play around
    with an underdog.

  • Felixxberg

    • 2019 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    • 2019 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    @SteveM said...

    Same here. In order for small buyin prize pools to be worth playing, NHL contests NEED the 150-entry guys willing to contribute $600 a day.
    If entries are capped at 20, does anyone actually think those contests will magically attract 7 additional 20-entry players for every former 150-entry player?

    People have argued that entering 150 times to win a $3K top prize isn’t worth it.
    Others have argued that allowing 150 entries gives max-entry guys an unfair advantage.
    It can’t be both.

    I think the $4 GPPs will be capped at 20 entries but with smaller field and prizes, and there will be 8$ 150 entries contests with bigger field and prizes. Investing $1200 a night is a big difference compared to $600, so maybe some players won’t do 150 a night. It would help to solve both issues.

    That being said, I really liked the WNBA GPPs. Not that I won anything because I know nothing about that sport, but the fields and prizes were great.

  • pootnami

    @monaco712 said...

    Love the idea you should send it to DK. Time is running out.

    Fantasy Draft does this.

  • zshoom

    • 2016 Single Entry Series Finalist

    @monaco712 said...

    If you play a teams defense there would be other parameters to
    get points so the strategy would be increased.
    All people do right now is play the goaltender that are on the
    teams favored by -250. The salaries between goaltenders
    right now are inconsequential there is no reason to play around
    with an underdog.

    One thing I wouldn’t mind is if FD does what they did with the pitcher win and splits up the points. Two points for the W, two points for a save percentage above .925 and two points for under two goals against. Keep shutouts the same. This would help shift the balance back towards the better goalies, instead of just picking the guy who has the best chance of the W.

  • Olhausen

    @Felixxberg said...

    An empty net goal got me my best win ever (had the goal, the two assists and the winning goalie) but yes it’s usually frustrating.

    There’s a three-day period or so last season where NHL GPPs were much larger and I never understood why they didn’t keep trying to run them. I always had to reserve spots the night before or in the morning because at 5pm every contest was full almost everyday.

    That 3 day period was during the NBA all star break when no other sports were running except hockey. No way in hell they run them that big as soon as NBA starts back up. The NBA draws almost as big as football but on a daily basis. The NHL will never be able to compete with the NBA unfortunately and so the contests will continue to be much smaller.

  • monaco712

    @pootnami said...

    Fantasy Draft does this.

    I will definitely check that out started playing baseball on Fdraft I think they
    have a good product and I know they read these post to get ideas and feedback.

  • Felixxberg

    • 2019 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    • 2019 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    @Olhausen said...

    That 3 day period was during the NBA all star break when no other sports were running except hockey. No way in hell they run them that big as soon as NBA starts back up. The NBA draws almost as big as football but on a daily basis. The NHL will never be able to compete with the NBA unfortunately and so the contests will continue to be much smaller.

    Didn’t know that since I don’t really follow NBA except for the playoffs but it makes a lot of sense.

  • mathewsmarner

    award more points for an overtime point.
    minus more points for an overtime goal conceded.

  • StealthFactor

    My note to DraftKings:

    I wanted to write in to express support for NOT limiting contests under $5 (including the main $4 contest) to 20 entries for NHL Hockey.

    First, the contest sizes and prizes are already too small in hockey, and this would further reduce the field size.

    Second – and this often goes overlooked – high entry allowances at the $3 – $5 level go a long ways toward giving the new fantasy player an opportunity to build bankroll and bridge the gap between amateur and pro. In other words, without being able to play in larger amounts at low to mid entry levels (like the main $4 contest), how does one climb the ladder? If one must enter high dollar contests to enter much money at all, the player is forced to take on more risk than necessary.

    (This year, I gave up baseball when it introduced the 20 entry max because I was being forced into high-dollar games if I wanted to enter a few hundred dollars per night.)

    So sure, for NHL, limit the $3 and under contests like last year. But the main $4 entry tournament should stay as it is – 150 entries. Otherwise, the purse will be too small, and players will be encouraged to take on more risk than is financially prudent (because they will be forced into higher dollar contests).

  • pickles

    @StealthFactor said...

    My note to DraftKings::

    I wanted to write in to express support for NOT limiting contests under $5 (including the main $4 contest) to 20 entries for NHL Hockey.

    First, the contest sizes and prizes are already too small in hockey, and this would further reduce the field size.

    Second – and this often goes overlooked – high entry allowances at the $3 – $5 level go a long ways toward giving the new fantasy player an opportunity to build bankroll and bridge the gap between amateur and pro. In other words, without being able to play in larger amounts at low to mid entry levels (like the main $4 contest), how does one climb the ladder? If one must enter high dollar contests to enter much money at all, the player is forced to take on more risk than necessary.

    (This year, I gave up baseball when it introduced the 20 entry max because I was being forced into high-dollar games if I wanted to enter a few hundred dollars per night.)

    So sure, for NHL, limit the $3 and under contests like last year. But the main $4 entry tournament should stay as it is – 150 entries. Otherwise, the purse will be too small, and players will be encouraged to take on more risk than is financially prudent (because they will be forced into higher dollar contests).

    I absolutely second this. Could even make the $4 a $5 to fall in line with the guidelines they set with the other sports-and still have 20 entry tourneys under $4.

  • jjwd

    Stealthfactor is 100% right. DK tries to pretend that lineup builders don’t exist… embrace it, at least for smaller sports like NHL. They are ignoring this midlevel player (like many of us) because they are greedy/scared. But their current strategy is not good for the long term, imo.

  • Josh_Dunville

    Well said StealthFactor. I completely agree

  • StealthFactor

    Good idea, pickles. I agree.

    While I would ultimately recommend that the landscape stay the same as last year – if it is absolute impossible to keep the main $4 entry contest at 150 entries due to policy – I would suggest creating a massive $5 entry contest with 150 entries max.

  • SteveM

    @StealthFactor said...

    While I would ultimately recommend that the landscape stay the same as last year – if it is absolute impossible to keep the main $4 entry contest at 150 entries due to policy – I would suggest creating a massive $5 entry contest with 150 entries max.

    I’m on board with this, too. NHL should be considered a little differently from the more popular sports.

  • Felixxberg

    • 2019 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    • 2019 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    @StealthFactor said...

    Good idea, pickles. I agree.

    While I would ultimately recommend that the landscape stay the same as last year – if it is absolute impossible to keep the main $4 entry contest at 150 entries due to policy – I would suggest creating a massive $5 entry contest with 150 entries max.

    This is exactly what they’re doing this week in NFL for primetime and Mon-Thu contests, so I think it could be possible for NHL too. Less entries than NFL but still there could be a $10K-ish top prize.

  • dyavid

    Finally NHL is only a week away. It cannot come soon enough.

    I like the idea of having $5 150 max entries for the larger Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday slates

  • theoddsmaker

    @StealthFactor said...

    My note to DraftKings:

    I wanted to write in to express support for NOT limiting contests under $5 (including the main $4 contest) to 20 entries for NHL Hockey.

    First, the contest sizes and prizes are already too small in hockey, and this would further reduce the field size.

    Second – and this often goes overlooked – high entry allowances at the $3 – $5 level go a long ways toward giving the new fantasy player an opportunity to build bankroll and bridge the gap between amateur and pro. In other words, without being able to play in larger amounts at low to mid entry levels (like the main $4 contest), how does one climb the ladder? If one must enter high dollar contests to enter much money at all, the player is forced to take on more risk than necessary.

    (This year, I gave up baseball when it introduced the 20 entry max because I was being forced into high-dollar games if I wanted to enter a few hundred dollars per night.)

    So sure, for NHL, limit the $3 and under contests like last year. But the main $4 entry tournament should stay as it is – 150 entries. Otherwise, the purse will be too small, and players will be encouraged to take on more risk than is financially prudent (because they will be forced into higher dollar contests).

    I think you overlook the intermediate middle-class DFS when you want to get rid of 20-max contests. I think there is just a bit of a gap between low stakes and high stakes players that really hurts the DFS economy. First off, a lot of low stakes players enter $1 single bullets into 150-max contests simply because they see 1st place paying out $50,000 let’s say. They much rather do that then say enter a $1 single entry pays out $1,000 to 1st place. I don’t think they really understand in the long run they would probably win that contest 50 times over before they were able to ever nab the 150-max one. People chase the big win verses ROI%. That’s their own prerogative though.

    There also isn’t such a fine line in that if you aren’t a low stakes newcomer that you are max entering the $333 or entering the $5,300 Thunderdome. That isn’t really the case at all and most players can’t afford to play like that. We tend to get the extremes in both directions but I must say that things like $4 20-entry max or $100 3-max type contests help fuel the DFS middle-class which I think is way overlooked. You have to have things that cater to the DFS middle-class or it won’t be sustainable in the long run, which really benefits everyone.

  • Felixxberg

    • 2019 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    • 2019 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    Well contests are up on DK and the main one is limited to 20 entries, and there’s no 150 entries tournament. There’s a $27 60 entries tournament but it’s not big enough to justify risking $1,620 in my opinion. At least the top prize is $25K on the main one so I’ll spend $80 anyway, but it would have been nice to be able to put more.

  • StealthFactor

    $4 contest has 20 entry max. There is no large low to mid tier contest. I hope that they introduce a large $5 entry fee contest in the near future, otherwise I will be forced to play less on DraftKings, to limit risk.

  • hautalak

    • x2

      2021 Blogger of the Month

    Hey I’m just happy we got a $1 10K hip check lol

  • pickles

    @StealthFactor said...

    $4 contest has 20 entry max. There is no large low to mid tier contest. I hope that they introduce a large $5 entry fee contest in the near future, otherwise I will be forced to play less on DraftKings, to limit risk.

    Total joke. We’ll see what happens after this as running a tourney that big every night obviously isnt going to happen. I like what fanduel has up. Tourney sizes and max entry limits to suit just about everyone.

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