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  • Mphst18

    Let see how many we can indentify:

    Daut44/MIR/aboveandbeyond

    Assani/Aejones/

    Aejones/wdrzich/ Therobob20

    Chipotleaddict/papagates,
    hoop/3rdandschlong
    csuram/birdwing
    tinderella/scout
    mazwa/ragingphillip

  • tommykarate

    @Mphst18 said...

    Anyway here is the updated list so far for peope who are interested.

    Contributed from me

    Daut44/MIR/aboveandbeyond
    Assani/Aejones/wdrzich

    Contributed from Daut44

    Chipotleaddict/papagates,
    hoop/3rdandschlong
    csuram/birdwing
    tinderella/scout

    dont forget all of the rotoradar guys….

    as someone who does this part time (and wins), this is starting to piss me off the more i learn. there are def some nights where birdwings and csuram have their own lineups, but mostly the same. but these rotoradar teams have got to stop. touts are going to ruin this industry. the teams of pros will never have anything done agaist them; they make the sites too much money. im ok with a handful of guys having the same lineup sometimes – i even give my boss mine every once in a while when he wants action. but these 10-20 lineup trains are bullshit..

  • SteveM

    I play GPPS to avoid this BS. I agree with many of the points raised here. Selling/sharing lineups is a problem whether you think it violates the TOS, or is “unsportsmanlike,” or just kills the fun/action. But remember it’s only viable in certain game types. GPPs, being topheavy in their payouts, are largely immune to idiots sharing lineups. Seriously, if I knew for a fact that my lineup would be the exact same as someone else’s, in most cases it would no longer be worth playing myself. Sharing a GPP lineup automatically MAKES it suboptimal. And if I knew that there would be 20/100/1000 people playing identical lineups in a GPP I’m in I’d be thrilled to death, even if I knew that lineup was built by the best GPP player in the world. I have a huge edge! If you’re playing to take 1st place (and you should) that’s just fewer unique lineups you need to beat.

    Come play GPPS. :-) Let those lineup-sharers starve.

    I don’t think there’s an effective way to stop lineup sharing. But if nobody plays those games that are susceptible to it then the people who buy/sell/share lineups will need to find some other lazy way to try to make money.

  • emoney1214

    I’m not sure how anyone can get mad about this thread. I moved to GPP only in the last couple weeks. I really don’t care about the lineup sharing, but I will have a chuckle when everything folds and these “pros” who are full time are out of luck. Having played DFS for serveral years, I have to laugh at how these people are shooting themselves in the foot. Good luck getting a job when your job history is professionally playing fantasy sports.

  • Mphst18

    If you are playing MMA H2H today on DK both aejones, thebobrob20 and wdrzich lineup will be the same so if you want some variance don’t select each of the three.

  • Mphst18

    @tommykarate said...

    dont forget all of the rotoradar guys….

    thanks TK, don’t know who the rotoradar guys are but if you do I can add them to the list.

  • WhiskeyTavon4

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    @emoney1214 said...

    Good luck getting a job when your job history is professionally playing fantasy sports.

    Yes. Because the select few people that are smart enough to make six figures plus a year playing DFS have zero other income producing skills. That makes total sense.

  • tommykarate

    @Mphst18 said...

    rotoradar

    see PM – i dont want to give them any more publicity in public.

  • meerkatmreow

    @WhiskeyTavon4 said...

    Yes. Because the select few people that are smart enough to make six figures plus a year playing DFS have zero other income producing skills. That makes total sense.

    Obviously their only skill is having a big bankroll, otherwise they’d be losing players, right?

  • deactivated84892

    @emoney1214 said...

    Good luck getting a job when your job history is professionally playing fantasy sports.

    As a professional DFS player, I can tell you there are a ton of great work ethic qualities being groomed by the pro’s. This statement just couldn’t be more untrue.

  • hotpants

    @gundacker said...

    a ton of great work ethic qualities being groomed by the pro’s.

    *Punctuation and attention to detail may or may not be included in said great qualities.

  • deactivated84892

    @hotpants said...

    *Punctuation and attention to detail may or may not be included in said great qualities.

    sorry, I’m posting from a $1200 phone that DFS bought for me. Autocorrect. #dfsprosaredumb

  • baseballs

    @gundacker said...

    sorry, I’m posting from a $1200 phone

  • deactivated84892

    @baseballs said...

    Fun Fact: I’m actually Paul Wall.

    You should see my toilet.

  • catmando

    The same guys who are pro players and run sites to optimize lineups and get affilate money . dead horse story. Killing the industry one fish at a time No meat left on the bones.

    Moving to GPP and paying 14 percent rake is not the answer. maybe since you are capped in refer a friend cash they will stop running their money thru all their sign ups

  • emoney1214

    @gundacker said...

    As a professional DFS player, I can tell you there are a ton of great work ethic qualities being groomed by the pro’s. This statement just couldn’t be more untrue.

    Your statement is irrelevant. You could be a genius and that’s great. Your work history is still sketchy when you say you are a pro dfs player. People would laugh at you if you had pro DFS player as work history on your resume. I’m not knocking anyone, because I wish I could make this a living. My point is, it is not a respected profession and when this dries up, hopefully you can find another gambling niche.

  • emoney1214

    @gundacker said...

    sorry, I’m posting from a $1200 phone that DFS bought for me. Autocorrect. #dfsprosaredumb

    I’m also guessing you are young with this laughable comment and unnecessary hashtag. Why would you buy a 1200 phone? If you said look at this mansion I bought with my winnings, I might be impressed. 1200 dollars on the other hand is not much for a “pro”. Making a couple thousand dollars and living in your parents house doesn’t make you a pro.

  • deactivated84892

    @emoney1214 said...

    I’m also guessing you are young with this laughable comment and unnecessary hashtag. Why would you buy a 1200 phone? If you said look at this mansion I bought with my winnings, I might be impressed. 1200 dollars on the other hand is not much for a “pro”. Making a couple thousand dollars and living in your parents house doesn’t make you a pro.

    Great post. 10/10. Would read again.

  • jbb18

    @gundacker said...

    sorry, I’m posting from a $1200 phone that DFS bought for me. Autocorrect. #dfsprosaredumb

    I am not posting from my slider phone that DFS did not buy for me. #livinthedream

  • SunTszu

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  • dude_abides7

    @SteveM said...

    I play GPPS to avoid this BS.

    My exact thoughts….don’t play cash games anymore. Gave them up last year and have since been 2x-3x as profitable.

    Let these hosers trade rake with each other.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    When you look at this situation on a macro-level and try to view it from every possible angle, I don’t see how you can not think it is a major issue (unless of course you are the one profiting from it).
    I’ve mentioned these all before to some degree, but I think there are three major issues here that effect everybody….

    1. Where’s the edge gone?
    This is a question I’ve seen frequently, or it’s simply – The edge is gone. If you are (were) a Cash Game player on FanDuel – It is not hyperbole when I state 10-20% of a 100 man field will be using the same lineup they brought from a professional site. (and there’s certainly other providers I’m not aware of in the field as well)
    Now, who is the market for purchasing lu’s – Losing players.
    We’re left with a situation where 10-20% of a given field that used to be losing players are now consistently cashing and playing with professionally built lineups…20% of the field goes from fish to sharks overnight, you think that may have something to so with the loss of edge?

    2. New Players
    If you ask someone who has never played DFS their views of the industry, chances are you won’t like what you hear. The media created an anti-DFS narrative which really has not been dispelled.
    Now imagine if you are a new player who gets talked into depositing by a friend, because they convince you it is “skill”. What happens that first night if you finish 55th getting passed by 14 identical lineups?
    I’m projecting here, but personally, if that was my experience, I’m saying “DFS is B.S. This is a scam.” and I am no longer playing.
    This is precisely the type of thing that turns new/casual users away, or worse, they take the “if you can’t beat them join them” stance and they become part of the ever-growing problem.

    3. Legality
    If you are somehow indifferent to the other points, this is the one everyone should care about. This one does effect everybody and I don’t see how you can argue against it.
    DFS is currently fighting for it’s livelihood as the industry struggles to prove it’s legality. The DFS legality argument is that it is a game of skill. Tell me what happens if this exchange occurs in court?
    DFS – We offer a game of skill. Those that win do so because they are intelligent they research and they know the sports. They are not blindly gambling…
    LAWYER: If that’s true, care to explain how 40% of the money in this contest was won by users who paid for a lineup that somebody else created. I fail to see what intelligence and research that took, for all I know they don’t even watch that sport and I certainly don’t see how there was skill involved….care to explain how those individuals are not gambling?
    What’s the answer….I don’t see an out.
    Realistically, the larger this issue gets the greater chance someone influential becomes the person I described in #2, and this hypothetical argument will be a reality for the sites.

    It’s these reasons that make me think the sites are making a huge mistake by not trying to stop this problem before it gets any bigger, and it’s why I think everyone should be demanding they look into it, even if the issue hasn’t had a negative effect on your bankroll.
    .

  • jojo491048

    @emoney1214 said...

    @gundacker said…

    Your statement is irrelevant. You could be a genius and that’s great. Your work history is still sketchy when you say you are a pro dfs player. People would laugh at you if you had pro DFS player as work history on your resume. I’m not knocking anyone, because I wish I could make this a living. My point is, it is not a respected profession and when this dries up, hopefully you can find another gambling niche.

    I mean, being a “DFS pro” or “shark” could be useful if you were looking to stay internally within the industry, no question. Which is only useful as long as the industry is still around (look at DFS in NYC).

    But yes, it is not a publicly respected, nor reputable profession, don’t think anyone can argue with that, regardless of your own personal views on the matter. Not exactly something you proudly tell your girlfriend’s parents or place on your law school resume, LOL.

  • deactivated84892

    @jojo491048 said...

    I mean, being a “DFS pro” or “shark” could be useful if you were looking to stay internally within the industry, no question. Which is only useful as long as the industry is still around (look at DFS in NYC).

    But yes, it is not a publicly respected, nor reputable profession, don’t think anyone can argue with that, regardless of your own personal views on the matter. Not exactly something you proudly tell your girlfriend’s parents or place on your law school resume, LOL.

    Not publicly respected? I have yet to meet one person that looked down on me for being able to watch sports for a living.

    Can’t imagine many guys are looking down upon Ganondorf or Condia.

    Hell, Here are just a few BS bullet points you could toss in a resume. You guys really have to get out more.

    -Extreme analytical experience using several streams of number data, sabremetrics, weather reports, etc
    -Daily Experience working with deadlines.
    -Ability to multi-task in high pressure situations.
    -Ability to make quick and informed decisions based on breaking or unexpected news.
    -Ability to successfully set and follow a budget to maximize value of budgeted dollars.
    -Experience with using data intel to project performance trends (very important in retail sales).
    -Skilled in MS Office products, particularly Microsoft Excel.
    -Experience developing projection models using Microsoft Excel and other database managing systems.
    -Strong ability to work individually to achieve accomplishment of a task and/or assignment.
    -Ability to successfully navigate several information mediums, especially social media to obtain several cited sources to obtain confirmation or credibility for breaking news/rumors.

    I can literally do this all day. Playing FantasySports may not help you get a job flipping burgers, But absolutely 100% is a great bridge into analytical jobs and many managerial fields that are numbers heavy.

    I have managed restaurant chains in both Dallas, Texas and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in my younger years and some of the above experiences fit right in for a qualified manager who can make on-the-fly decisions, set/meet a budget, forecast weather for labor projections, forecast sales using complication Excel models and be able to successfully use and navigate several informational sources such as social media to best identify times, events and possible promotion timeframes based on area trends.

    I’m seriously baffled that people can’t see the work in being a DFS professional.

  • tvsfrink

    The only argument I can see is that you aren’t contributing anything to society by being a DFS pro. But on the other hand, that’s hardly limited to this one profession. And also I’m just jealous.

  • Njsum1

    No one would argue that being a DFS professional doesn’t give you marketable skills. The argument is that your work history would be considered sketchy at best if you listed “dfs professional” on your resume, which I would have to agree with. While your friends may even look up to you for being able to do this for a living, many a potential employer would not. I’m not saying they would look down upon you, (although some may while others may not) they would just see it as you being unemployed for however many years you were a dfs pro. You would likely have to either start from the very bottom in any field you may choose to go into, take a sales job, or have a friend or relative get you an in with an employer you may want to work for. If you happen to be a great networker who can make instant connections and make people want to help them then you could possibly land a more desirable job right off the bat. Yet the fact remains, being a “dfs pro” will be more of an obstacle than a help in obtaining future employment, unless of course you are applying for jobs in the dfs industry.

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