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  • Mphst18

    Let see how many we can indentify:

    Daut44/MIR/aboveandbeyond

    Assani/Aejones/

    Aejones/wdrzich/ Therobob20

    Chipotleaddict/papagates,
    hoop/3rdandschlong
    csuram/birdwing
    tinderella/scout
    mazwa/ragingphillip

  • WhiskeyTavon4

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    This is the squarest thread in the history of the RG forum

  • gridironguru99

    I sense there are a few in the DK inner circle for NHL games

  • awesemo

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    Yea I have noticed that there are some groups of players that play the same lineup in a lot of NHL games. My buddy was telling me about a 23 person beginner double up on draftkings he entered in which 11 people had the same lineup. I also share information with some of my friends for NHL, but we try to use at least somewhat different lineups.

  • lucashoward7

    @gundacker said...

    Not publicly respected? I have yet to meet one person that looked down on me for being able to watch sports for a living.

    Can’t imagine many guys are looking down upon Ganondorf or Condia.

    Hell, Here are just a few BS bullet points you could toss in a resume. You guys really have to get out more.

    -Extreme analytical experience using several streams of number data, sabremetrics, weather reports, etc
    -Daily Experience working with deadlines.
    -Ability to multi-task in high pressure situations.
    -Ability to make quick and informed decisions based on breaking or unexpected news.
    -Ability to successfully set and follow a budget to maximize value of budgeted dollars.
    -Experience with using data intel to project performance trends (very important in retail sales).
    -Skilled in MS Office products, particularly Microsoft Excel.
    -Experience developing projection models using Microsoft Excel and other database managing systems.
    -Strong ability to work individually to achieve accomplishment of a task and/or assignment.
    -Ability to successfully navigate several information mediums, especially social media to obtain several cited sources to obtain confirmation or credibility for breaking news/rumors.

    I can literally do this all day. Playing FantasySports may not help you get a job flipping burgers, But absolutely 100% is a great bridge into analytical jobs and many managerial fields that are numbers heavy.

    I have managed restaurant chains in both Dallas, Texas and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in my younger years and some of the above experiences fit right in for a qualified manager who can make on-the-fly decisions, set/meet a budget, forecast weather for labor projections, forecast sales using complication Excel models and be able to successfully use and navigate several informational sources such as social media to best identify times, events and possible promotion timeframes based on area trends.

    I’m seriously baffled that people can’t see the work in being a DFS professional.

    This has to be the most laughable thing I’ve ever seen. I hope that some of the pros don’t take this the wrong way, because I can see that being a professional DFS player is beyond difficult. Many of the professionals possess skills that have real world reach and would do just fine if DFS shuts down tomorrow. However, you are absolutely kidding yourself. You lack any credibility as far as I know other than your braggadocios claim that you post from a “$1200 phone DFS bought you.” You seem to me more like someone still living with mom and pops that has made a couple hundred bucks and is all of a sudden a professional. Really raking it in there champ. Retirement is surely in sight. All that said, please put all of your MS Excel skills on your resume and let me know how many job offers, even interviews, you solicit. “Dealing with deadlines”, “Ability to work individually”, “Ability to browse social media”, etc. all seem like the skills of most high school kids. Please tell me again how you expect these to help you obtain gainful employment. I enjoy playing DFS and I hope that nothing happens to it regardless of some of the shadier inner workings of the business, especially for your sake. You seem pretty well suited to be the Assistant Manager at the local Ruby Tuesday’s if this all goes down the tubes in a few years though.

  • ramagosr

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    Wrote this in regards to Survive the Madness tourney on FD and two pros who consistently play the same LU in CBB:
    Saw the estela entries and realized I won’t play this Survive the Madness tourney again. It feels too hard to compete against that many multi entries playing the same lineup, since it essentially removes the max entries cap in this case. It’s just not what the tourney purports to be to the casual player. I had planned to put 10-15 entries in, but only threw one in for fun once I saw the situation. Was glad to make round 4, but when 60 of 300 cash spots are going to one lineup the optics are terrible. Nothing against them, as I don’t think they’re cheating or anything by sharing strategies and info (as some others do), but it does turn me off. Speaking as a rich fish (who wins low stakes but only plays higher for fun) in games of that size, I think the sites need to look at their entry limits in the context of identical lineups solely as a concern of future game health. Having ridden the online poker wave from Paradise to black Friday, I’d hate to see the ponds dry up as fast as they did with HUDs, scripting, datamining, etc. I think far too many people speaking or ranting on the subject are missing the most important point by attacking the players sharing lineups. The thing we should all be thinking about in these situations is the health of the game, BUT, we also have to realize that only the sites will make changes that can preserve that health. Professional players will always work to exploit every edge and nuance and I wouldn’t have it any other way, I’d just like to see the sites do a better job at balancing high volume guys needs and the well being of less serious players. Beginner’s tourneys and max entry limits at lower stakes are a good and needed start, but fish come at all levels. Some tracking and admonishment against consistently playing the same lineup is a terrific idea. Seeing dozens and dozens of identical lineups from “different people” outside the realm of likely strategic overlap looks TERRIBLE to a casual player, and casual players are OUR CUSTOMERS. I feel like I have a fairly uncommon perspective as a former online poker pro who plays low stakes DFS profitably but also occasionally screws around with higher stakes as a fish with no bankroll limit due to my career. If I felt completely turned off, I would guess other amateurs in my situation might too, and that’s a huge problem that has nothing to do with the ethics involved. Just my 2 cents.

  • Mphst18

    However the ones doing it don’t care about the HEALTH of the game they only care about smashing and grabbing as much as they can while they cause the demise of it. It appears Yahoo is taking a different approach which will be interesting to see the ramifications if all the casual players go there and there is nothing left for the angle shooters to feast on. My suspicion is that yahoo will just run into larger size syndicates (say teams of 10-20) unless they only offer smaller GPPS which wouldn’t attract the angle shooters.

  • ramagosr

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    Can’t disagree with you on motives, but having been someone who played online poker profitably like that (bought millions of hand histories for HUDs, used software to track and notify me when identified fish sat down at all hours of the day/night, played 30 SNGs at once with scripts) I don’t think you’re ever going to get people to act in the interest of game health individually. They’d just be burning EV to all of those who don’t. The sites need to monitor this and step in, which would be laughably easy for them to do. If they want to allow unlimited entries, then they should, but if they’re going to put a limit of 25 or 50 entries per player, it’s disingenuous to allow different accounts to continuously run the same lineup in there above the overall limits in a survivor or double up.

  • tbuzz2234

    @lucashoward7 said...

    This has to be the most laughable thing I’ve ever seen. I hope that some of the pros don’t take this the wrong way, because I can see that being a professional DFS player is beyond difficult. Many of the professionals possess skills that have real world reach and would do just fine if DFS shuts down tomorrow. However, you are absolutely kidding yourself. You lack any credibility as far as I know other than your braggadocios claim that you post from a “$1200 phone DFS bought you.” You seem to me more like someone still living with mom and pops that has made a couple hundred bucks and is all of a sudden a professional. Really raking it in there champ. Retirement is surely in sight. All that said, please put all of your MS Excel skills on your resume and let me know how many job offers, even interviews, you solicit. “Dealing with deadlines”, “Ability to work individually”, “Ability to browse social media”, etc. all seem like the skills of most high school kids. Please tell me again how you expect these to help you obtain gainful employment. I enjoy playing DFS and I hope that nothing happens to it regardless of some of the shadier inner workings of the business, especially for your sake. You seem pretty well suited to be the Assistant Manager at the local Ruby Tuesday’s if this all goes down the tubes in a few years though.

    Want to laugh even harder? Go watch his videos.

  • Mphst18

    @ramagosr said...

    Can’t disagree with you on motives, but having been someone who played online poker profitably like that (bought millions of hand histories for HUDs, used software to track and notify me when identified fish sat down at all hours of the day/night, played 30 SNGs at once with scripts) I don’t think you’re ever going to get people to act in the interest of game health individually. They’d just be burning EV to all of those who don’t. The sites need to monitor this and step in, which would be laughably easy for them to do. If they want to allow unlimited entries, then they should, but if they’re going to put a limit of 25 or 50 entries per player, it’s disingenuous to allow different accounts to continuously run the same lineup in there above the overall limits in a survivor or double up.

    Agree with you just not sure how you get the sites to act without identifying (which they can easily do as you state and I agree and should be doing) as self-policing is doing which would then decrease their use of Plausible deniability when this hits the fan.

  • deactivated84892

    @tbuzz2234 said...

    Want to laugh even harder? Go watch his videos.

    I agree with this. I’m hilarious.

    Anyway, I’m out guys. Mom said I can only use the internet between 1-3pm and I have to mow the yard.

  • tvsfrink

    @gundacker said...

    Mom said I can only use the internet between 1-3pm

    Is that when she watches her stories?

  • deactivated84892

    @tvsfrink said...

    Is that when she watches her stories?

    Yeah, Her and my uncle always watch them when my dad goes to work.

  • smallANDflaccid

    Everybody’s hugging.

  • timski83

    @ramagosr said...

    Can’t disagree with you on motives, but having been someone who played online poker profitably like that (bought millions of hand histories for HUDs, used software to track and notify me when identified fish sat down at all hours of the day/night, played 30 SNGs at once with scripts) I don’t think you’re ever going to get people to act in the interest of game health individually. They’d just be burning EV to all of those who don’t. The sites need to monitor this and step in, which would be laughably easy for them to do. If they want to allow unlimited entries, then they should, but if they’re going to put a limit of 25 or 50 entries per player, it’s disingenuous to allow different accounts to continuously run the same lineup in there above the overall limits in a survivor or double up.

    Interesting to hear the honesty from a former online poker player. A friend told me all about the bs that started to go on there. To hear the same type and people are behind dfs is a bit uncomfortable for me, but I was in fantasy leagues for years and I like this dfs much more. What I do not like is high roller players who bottom feed. I have gambled for years and $2 bettors are $2 bettors. But here you have greedy former poker players. I will not mention names, who play $5,000 entries and $2 entries. Really? I mean I will promise everyone here one thing; if I ever got to the level where I can afford expensive contest on a daily basis I would leave the little fish alone. As far as multi entry; until FD changes certain limits for contests, I feel you must enter at least 15 entries to give yourself a fair shot in multi- entry gpp.
    I can care less about how much the new players had such great times back in the day. New DFS players; like myself are here to win too. We can give a rats Ass about any “shark” and his winnings. Also, I can care less to read blogs and chat replies from so called pros talking how great it was on here before all the “new blood” The bleeding has just begun for all the sharks. your playing field is starting to level out. You bank accounts will soon prove your greed was just that. greed. Keep it strong newbies. Study up, beat the greedy sharks and call it a day. Pros. lol!!

  • Mphst18

    Why doesn’t DK just remove their Syndicate/Collusion TOS rather than just try to pretend they enforce it to show they care about protecting consumers.

    MMA: IDENTICAL

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/26077205?uc=439110255

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/26089241?uc=439110229

    PGA: IDENTICAL (note they each ran two cash lineups swapping KIM and KIZZIRE, I have just posted an example of each but each played both lineups)

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/26076927?uc=438078458

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/26056202?uc=438076395

    NASCAR: IDENTICAL (note they each ran two cash lineups swapping ANNETT and SORENSON)

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/26194129?uc=439553341

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/26107082?uc=439559529

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/26124098?uc=439545755

  • misfit

    The top pro’s who everyone praises have been doing this for years. There is nothing that can be done about it.
    How are you going to stop people from talking to their friends?
    There is no of stopping this. The best you can do is know that these types of teams are out there on all sites. It is not just a few players as you named. Nearly ALL the top pros do this.
    Especially the ones here.

  • walkoff9

    @misfit said...

    The top pro’s who everyone praises have been doing this for years. There is nothing that can be done about it.
    How are you going to stop people from talking to their friends?
    There is no of stopping this. The best you can do is know that these types of teams are out there on all sites. It is not just a few players as you named. Nearly ALL the top pros do this.
    Especially the ones here.

    There is a way to stop blatant stuff like this. Just make a rule and enforce it.

    They obviously don’t want to, and thats fine it’s their business and they can run it how they see fit.

  • pokerrob1970

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    Pretty simple to stop it. If you are found to have the same lineup with player XX three times in a one month period you are both banned. Super easy to enforce and implement. But nothing will happen till we see it in the headlines like we did in October for that other form of cheating.

  • noddy

    I personally don’t care if players have the same lineups and neither does DK. DK has dropped so far as far as caring about their customers. All they do is raise rake, get rid of the referral commission. They do not care one bit about the average player. And there is nothing we can do about it except not to play there. So disappointed in DK these days.

  • fediganattheshore

    so what happens if player A and player B really like to play short slates? the chance of them having the same lineups three times in a one month period is pretty damn high…should they be suspended for that?

  • Mphst18

    these were not a 2 game slate these were full field Nascar, MMA and golf.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    @fediganattheshore said...

    so what happens if player A and player B really like to play short slates? the chance of them having the same lineups three times in a one month period is pretty damn high…should they be suspended for that?

    I guess the site would have to take a look and see if they only had the same lineups in 3 game slates or if it also happens in larger slates. In the end commonsense should prevail but that maybe more than we should expect at this point.

  • qutgnt25

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Pretty simple to stop it. If you are found to have the same lineup with player XX three times in a one month period you are both banned. Super easy to enforce and implement. But nothing will happen till we see it in the headlines like we did in October for that other form of cheating.

    The way to stop it is to not allow two unique users entry into any more than ONE contest with the same lineup.

    So if two users want to collude they can never be in more than one contest together with the same lineup.

    I’m labeled a colluder so I know what I am talking about! ( I jest)

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    So no one could ever have the same lineup as someone else in any contest? How would could you ever enforce that?

  • Heterodox

    I think he means use a line up in one contest but you can’t use it in another? I don’t hate that idea in the abstract, but the chances of DK or any site actually doing that are below zero.

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