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  • Cameron

    RG Co-Founder

    • 2014 FanDuel NFL Survivor Champion

    • 2016 RG Season Long Champion: NFL

    Texas AG declares daily fantasy sports illegal gambling: http://bit.ly/1V5OVbt

    Hey Grinders,

    We just had an update we wanted to pass onto everyone. You may have heard that Attorney General Ken Paxton is reviewing the legality of fantasy sports in Texas, and may make a decision as soon as early 2016.

    We’ve had other threads posted on similar topics, but the best action you can take is to contact your Attorney General (AG) & local State representatives. — If you live in Texas, here is the link to do so in a time-efficient manner:

    Contact Texas A.G. & Your Local Officials

    Thank you everyone who has reached out & continues to do so.

    Best,
    Cameron

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    Official Statement from DraftKings for Texas

    “If you’re like us and you believe that daily fantasy sports are fun, entertaining, games of skill, click here to tell Attorney General Paxton and your state legislators directly that you would oppose any measure that harms your ability to play fantasy sports in Texas.

    As adults, we are fully capable of choosing how we want to enjoy sports and deciding which games we want to play. But some of your government officials seem to believe that the government should be making those decisions for you.

    Fantasy sports build community. You play DraftKings because of that community, and we are proud to provide you with the contests you love. Now it’s time for our community to stand together to make our voices heard; help us protect that which we have all worked so hard to build together. Send your officials a note telling them that you oppose any effort to ban fantasy sports.

    With your help, we can protect the game we love.

    Thank you,
    DraftKings”

  • tmspriggs

    @Ryazan said...

    I’ve been told to not use the “R” word anymore…..so I will say that the Texas AG is a complete delusional excuse for a human.

    Still not gambling to play the goddamn rodeo or lottery right?

    Some of these politicians, they are a product of liberalism – no logic or thought, just all feeling with no actual facts to back up what they think.

    Take your casino shit and shove it up your asses

    He’s a Tea Party Republican. Nothing to do with liberalism.

    This dude is under indictment for securities fraud. He could possibly go to jail.

  • csandbizzle

    @Stevej2344 said...

    Idk doesn’t Fanduel or DK always say it is when you load the app? lmao if there are laws that are in place that created a loophole and say its legal to play then yes, it is all of our rights David..

    There is a legal difference between a right and something you are allowed to do.

  • Stevej2344

    bizzles right though about not getting hell bent out of shape over this. and yes I am aware of the actual difference. Are we all politicians now?

  • Ryazan

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    @csandbizzle said...

    Do you even read things? This is just his opinion on whether or not the contests would constitute illegal activity under CURRENT Texas law. That’s all. He doesn’t state that the SHOULD be illegal or that the y are morally reprehensible or anything.

    In fact he makes a well reasoned argument on the likely outcome of a court ruling in Texas if there was a such a ruling today.

    i responded to this posting, didnt read the link:

    kaetorade
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    2013 DSBBC 2nd Place

    Texas AG declares daily fantasy sports illegal gambling. Opinion: http://bit.ly/1V5OVbt

    Will DK/FD fight for Texas like they’re fighting in NY? I sure hope so. :(

    so to answer your question, NO.

    I responded to the newly created thread by Kaetorade before it was merged into this. I saw what he posted and replied to it.

  • davegomez1952

    @Stevej2344 said...

    Idk doesn’t Fanduel or DK always say it is when you load the app? lmao if there are laws that are in place that created a loophole and say its legal to play then yes, it is all of our rights David..

    Ah, my bad. I missed the 11th amendment having to do with DFS. sorry

  • rpak1

    So if he is thrown in jail, is there a possibility of this being reversed? Is there support for such a bill in the Texas state?

  • csandbizzle

    @rpak1 said...

    So if he is thrown in jail, is there a possibility of this being reversed? Is there support for such a bill in the Texas state?

    Again this is an opinion and there is nothing legally binding about it. To my knowledge no legal action has been taken to restrict any DFS site within Texas as of yet.

    I don’t have any knowledge of pending legislation, maybe someone in Texas can comment on that?

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    What I fail to understand is that these state laws weren’t created yesterday. They’ve been around for a very, very long time. Why were DFS sites so confident in their business when certain state laws appeared to be rather clear?

  • davegomez1952

    And you still can’t buy a car on a Sunday…

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @csandbizzle said...

    Again this is an opinion and there is nothing legally binding about it. To my knowledge no legal action has been taken to restrict any DFS site within Texas as of yet.

    I don’t have any knowledge of pending legislature, maybe someone in Texas can comment on that?

    Here’s my question. Since the AG has given his opinion that it’s illegal gambling, wouldn’t the site operators(and maybe the players) be held liable if we continued with said ‘illegal’ activity?

  • csandbizzle

    @kaetorade said...

    What I fail to understand is that these state laws weren’t created yesterday. They’ve been around for a very, very long time. Why were DFS sites so confident in their business when certain state laws appeared to be rather clear?

    To my understanding this has to do with where the games exist.

    The internet is a fickle beast, regulations regarding the internet tend to be followed on a federal level. When the UGIEA was passed the DFS sites took the loophole created meant to exclude season long leagues and figured they fell under that category as well. State Legislatures are busy, and they certainly have better things to worry about. Hence why it takes the companies becoming billion dollar enterprises to make them consider legislation on a state-level.

  • Stevej2344

    It feels like all the AGs are just using different scare tactics to influence others on the fence about the industry hoping to knock out states gradually until the country is divided enough to simply kill the businesses through lack of funds. Fanduel and DK do not make nearly as much money as I originally thought when I started playing.

  • csandbizzle

    @kaetorade said...

    Here’s my question. Since the AG has given his opinion that it’s illegal gambling, wouldn’t the site operators(and maybe the players) be held liable if we continued with said ‘illegal’ activity?

    It isn’t likely that any action would be taken to “recoup losses” or anything of that nature as I think reasonable people can conclude that this is a blurry line at best.

    Quite simply an opinion is just an opinion whether it comes from Jo-Schmo on the corner or the AG of a state. The significance only lies in the fact that the AG likely has an inherent knowledge of the case. No injunction or cease and desist has been sent to the sites, and I think the State would have a difficult time stating that they KNOWINGLY broke the law when it’s pretty clear they think it’s legal.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @csandbizzle said...

    the State would have a difficult time stating that they KNOWINGLY broke the law when it’s pretty clear they think it’s legal.

    I would agree with that prior to the AG’s opinion. Moving forward, however, are we(players and dfs sites) knowingly breaking the law by continuing to play?

  • Stevej2344

    @csandbizzle said...

    It isn’t likely that any action would be taken to “recoup losses” or anything of that nature as I think reasonable people can conclude that this is a blurry line at best.

    Quite simply an opinion is just an opinion whether it comes from Jo-Schmo on the corner or the AG of a state. The significance only lies in the fact that the AG likely has an inherent knowledge of the case. No injunction or cease and desist has been sent to the sites, and I think the State would have a difficult time stating that they KNOWINGLY broke the law when it’s pretty clear they think it’s legal.

    Ya know, you’re pretty smart Bizzle. Good points

  • deactivated84892

    People are really over-interpreting what actually happened.

  • cb35

    2013 FFFC Finalist, 2013 DFFC Finalist

    • 2013 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    @kaetorade said...

    I would agree with that prior to the AG’s opinion. Moving forward, however, are we(players and dfs sites) knowingly breaking the law by continuing to play?

    state would have to give some sort of notice. usually in the form of a cease and desist

  • csandbizzle

    @kaetorade said...

    I would agree with that prior to the AG’s opinion. Moving forward, however, are we(players and dfs sites) knowingly breaking the law by continuing to play?

    I really don’t think any individual player has to worry about this too much any legal action would be taken against the sites to protect YOU the consumer. You will not be thrown in jail or even fined for playing DFS unless they explicitly state that the sites cannot operate in the state. Even then, there is minimal risk to you outside of tax concerns on winnings you earned “outside the state” and such.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @csandbizzle said...

    You will not be thrown in jail or even fined for playing DFS unless they explicitly state that the sites cannot operate in the state.

    That’s my primary concern. Moving forward, what now? Will TX legislation take action and declare it illegal? If so, what timeline should we expect? DK/FD are fighting in NY because they have a chance, but short of a bill, it will be a battle in vain should they attempt the same fight in Texas. The TX AG’s opinion, to my dismay, is logical based on current TX laws. I know I’m in the minority here, but I would move my family if need be and would like to plan accordingly.

  • csandbizzle

    @Stevej2344 said...

    It feels like all the AGs are just using different scare tactics to influence others on the fence about the industry hoping to knock out states gradually until the country is divided enough to simply kill the businesses through lack of funds. Fanduel and DK do not make nearly as much money as I originally thought when I started playing.

    I do agree that it’s concerning, but in my opinion one thing we have in our favor is there’s much more of a domino effect in legalizing legislation rather than restrictive. See same-sex marriage, and to a lesser extent marijuana legalization, which I think will continue to pick up steam. Admittedly these are at different places on the political spectrum but Hopefully we will get some regulatory pro-DFS legislation here soon and other states will follow.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    Daniel Wallach ‏@WALLACHLEGAL 2m2 minutes ago Fort Lauderdale, FL
    Key language from Texas AG showing no intent to prosecute:
    “a court would likely determine”
    “odds are favorable that a court would conclude”

    ^ Quoted from twitter, but does that mean we will always be on thin ice? As in, what’s to stop the issue from going to court? If it does go to court, it’s difficult to imagine an outcome that differs from the AG’s opinion.

  • jimmyrad

    0 out of millions and millions of online poker players ever spent a minute in jail for playing (although those filthy commies in Wash state did make it a felony, lol commies) so I’d not worry about that part.

    As far as moving, yeah, I’m making plans B, C, and D even though my state isn’t on any lists yet. That said if monster states like Texas and NY do indeed fall I’ll want things to shake out a bit to make sure DFS is even worth moving for.

  • Aurren

    It’s up to the AG, like other states, to file for injunctive relief to stop DFS sites from operating in TX; which as of now he has not done. Many AGs have said some really stupid things in the past because of politics (e.g. gay marriage, obama, immigration… etc) and this feels like a political move. There is really no pressure on Paxton to do anything about DFS currently when he has bigger things to deal with.

  • jimmyrad

    @Aurren said...

    There is really no pressure on Paxton to do anything about DFS currently when he has bigger things to deal with.

    This is what I don’t get. If there’s no pressure on him, and he’s not out to ban DFS (or even shake down DFS operators) what was the point of this whole exercise? What forced (or even nudged) him to make any kind of ruiling/statement/whatever here?

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @jimmyrad said...

    This is what I don’t get. If there’s no pressure on him, and he’s not out to ban DFS (or even shake down DFS operators) what was the point of this whole exercise? What forced (or even nudged) him to make any kind of ruiling/statement/whatever here?

    Exactly! It would make sense that the same congressman that pushed for the opinion will now pushed for it to be enforced.

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